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Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Charlie Duckworth
 

Interesting weathering on the various board colors. I was trying to replicate the image Andy posted with just the grain showing through in a few spots.  As to your more weathered car the WWI aircraft modelers have decals available to replicate the wood paneling used on German airplanes.  It’s quite convincingly. 

On Dec 6, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I wonder if a pencil-style coarse sanding stick would be easier if you needed to do the whole side like this car.
Your technique works on USRA and WE gondolas too!


On 12/6/2020 8:05 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Andy
Thanks for the image and overview.  I went to the work bench and did a ‘beta’ test on a Proto 2000 hopper.  Using a needle in a pin vice I added some grain in a couple places and the used Vallejo black gray and black to replicate the weathered wood as in your photo of the WP car.   After the paint was dry I used the pin vice again to replicate more grain.

This is only a test to see how the weathering of wood can be pulled off - am looking for other thoughts and I’ll try more on this car and post the results. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Tim O'Connor
 


I wonder if a pencil-style coarse sanding stick would be easier if you needed to do the whole side like this car.
Your technique works on USRA and WE gondolas too!


On 12/6/2020 8:05 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Andy
Thanks for the image and overview.  I went to the work bench and did a ‘beta’ test on a Proto 2000 hopper.  Using a needle in a pin vice I added some grain in a couple places and the used Vallejo black gray and black to replicate the weathered wood as in your photo of the WP car.   After the paint was dry I used the pin vice again to replicate more grain.

This is only a test to see how the weathering of wood can be pulled off - am looking for other thoughts and I’ll try more on this car and post the results. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Douglas Harding
 

Looking very realistic. Nice job.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

 

Andy
Thanks for the image and overview.  I went to the work bench and did a ‘beta’ test on a Proto 2000 hopper.  Using a needle in a pin vice I added some grain in a couple places and the used Vallejo black gray and black to replicate the weathered wood as in your photo of the WP car.   After the paint was dry I used the pin vice again to replicate more grain.

This is only a test to see how the weathering of wood can be pulled off - am looking for other thoughts and I’ll try more on this car and post the results. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

O Fenton Wells
 

Interesting concept Charlie nice results, like the wire grabs
Fenton 


On Dec 6, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:


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Andy
Thanks for the image and overview.  I went to the work bench and did a ‘beta’ test on a Proto 2000 hopper.  Using a needle in a pin vice I added some grain in a couple places and the used Vallejo black gray and black to replicate the weathered wood as in your photo of the WP car.   After the paint was dry I used the pin vice again to replicate more grain.

This is only a test to see how the weathering of wood can be pulled off - am looking for other thoughts and I’ll try more on this car and post the results. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Charlie Duckworth
 

Andy
Thanks for the image and overview.  I went to the work bench and did a ‘beta’ test on a Proto 2000 hopper.  Using a needle in a pin vice I added some grain in a couple places and the used Vallejo black gray and black to replicate the weathered wood as in your photo of the WP car.   After the paint was dry I used the pin vice again to replicate more grain.

This is only a test to see how the weathering of wood can be pulled off - am looking for other thoughts and I’ll try more on this car and post the results. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Help Identifying Steam Era Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bruce,

That car and its apparent 9' doors has a WM flavor to it, and it seems to me to have an 8' 6" IH like 1932 ARA boxcars. All the photos I could find of similar WM cars have narrower doors. 

I did find a photo of a similar B&O safety car on the Fallen Flags web pages. It shows a bit more of one end.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 11:34 PM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
Friends, 

I hope you will endulge me and help me identify what type of boxcar this was originally.  It looks like a steam era car that survived into the 70s. While I model the B&O in 1950, this was a car my dad taught on in the 70s, so I would like to gather some info for an eventual model.  I am not very good at identifying steam era boxcars, especially when modified and repainted. My guess is it was C&O or Western Maryland.  Any insights appreciated.  Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 

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Re: Help Identifying Steam Era Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 




On 12/6/2020 12:17 AM, Jim Gates via groups.io wrote:

C&O 19000-19499 ACF lot 4740A built 4-57 had 4-3R ends and 9 foot doors. So they would be a good guess. There were some Western Maryland cars with 8 foot doors but they had welded 12 panel sides.

Jim Gates
On Saturday, December 5, 2020, 10:34:18 PM CST, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:


Friends, 

I hope you will endulge me and help me identify what type of boxcar this was originally.  It looks like a steam era car that survived into the 70s. While I model the B&O in 1950, this was a car my dad taught on in the 70s, so I would like to gather some info for an eventual model.  I am not very good at identifying steam era boxcars, especially when modified and repainted. My guess is it was C&O or Western Maryland.  Any insights appreciated.  Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0 - stock yards

akerboomk
 

At one point there were stock yards in Watertown, MA on the B&M (Fitchburg) Watertown branch. – Boston Union Stock market

Shown on Sanborn maps 1884 – 1916 (converted to “France & Canada Stock Yards for War Horses”)

Still there (vacant) 1923, gone in 1928

 

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Help Identifying Steam Era Boxcar

Jim Gates
 


C&O 19000-19499 ACF lot 4740A built 4-57 had 4-3R ends and 9 foot doors. So they would be a good guess. There were some Western Maryland cars with 8 foot doors but they had welded 12 panel sides.

Jim Gates

On Saturday, December 5, 2020, 10:34:18 PM CST, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:


Friends, 

I hope you will endulge me and help me identify what type of boxcar this was originally.  It looks like a steam era car that survived into the 70s. While I model the B&O in 1950, this was a car my dad taught on in the 70s, so I would like to gather some info for an eventual model.  I am not very good at identifying steam era boxcars, especially when modified and repainted. My guess is it was C&O or Western Maryland.  Any insights appreciated.  Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Help Identifying Steam Era Boxcar

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends, 

I hope you will endulge me and help me identify what type of boxcar this was originally.  It looks like a steam era car that survived into the 70s. While I model the B&O in 1950, this was a car my dad taught on in the 70s, so I would like to gather some info for an eventual model.  I am not very good at identifying steam era boxcars, especially when modified and repainted. My guess is it was C&O or Western Maryland.  Any insights appreciated.  Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

 

In Buffalo the both the Erie and the NYC had stockyards.  NYC facility was very large, Erie facility not so large.  Those were the only two in Buffalo.  Dold had a large meat packing plant in Buffalo on the NYC near Clinton Street.


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Steve SANDIFER
 

Best overall book on Stock yards: Livestock Hotels by J’Nell L. Pate, TCU Press, Fort Worth.

 

Stockyard List from “The National Provisioner – Volume 65, p23 (1921)” 

AL           Birmingham                        Birmingham Stockyards Co

                Montgomery                     L&N Stockyards

Montgomery                     Union Stockyards Co of Montgomery

 

CO          Denver                                 Denver  Union Stockyard Co

 

DC          Benning                               Union Stockyards Co of New Jersey

 

FL            Jacksonville                        National Stockyards

 

GA          Augusta                               Augusta Stockyard Co

                Dublin                                   Dublin Stockyards Co

                Moultrie                              Moultrie Stockyards

 

IA            Sioux City                             Sioux City Stockyards Co

 

IL             Chicago                                Union Stockyard & Transit Co of Chicago

                National Stockyards        St Louis National Stockyards Co

                Peoria                                   Peoria Union Stockyards Co

 

IN           Evansville                            Evansville Union Stockyard Co

                Indianapolis                        Belt Railroad and Stockyards Co

                Lafayette                             Lafayette Union Stockyards Co

 

KS           Wichita                                 Wichita Union Stock Yards Co

 

KY           Louisville                              Bourbon Stockyards Co

 

LA           Arabi                                     New Orleans Stockyards, Inc

 

MA         Brighton                               Brighton Stockyards Co

 

MD         Baltimore                            Union Stockyard Co

 

MI          Detroit                                  Michigan Central Railroad Co

 

MN        South St Paul                      St Paul Union Stockyards Co

 

MO        Kansas City                          Kansas City Stockyards Co

                South St Joseph                St Joseph Stockyards Co

 

NE          South Omaha                     Union Stockyards Co of Omaha

 

NJ           Jersey City                           Jersey City Stockyards Co

                Newark                                Newark Stockyards

 

NY          Buffalo                                 New York Central Railroad Co

                New York                             New York Stockyards

                West Albany                       Patrick Horan & Sons

 

OH          Cincinnati                            Cincinnati Union Stockyard Co

                Cleveland                            Cleveland Union Stockyards Co

                Columbus                            Drovers Union Stockyards

                Dayton                                 Union Stockyards Co

                Fostoria                                Fostoria Union Stockyards Co

                Marion                                 Marion Union Stockyards Co

                Springfield                          Springfield Union Stockyards Co

                Toledo                                  Inter-State Stockyards Co

                Toledo                                  Toledo Union Stockyards Co

               

OK          Oklahoma City                   Oklahoma National Stockyards Co

 

OR          North Portland                  Portland Union Stockyards Co

 

PA          Lancaster                             Union Stockyard

                Philadelphia                       West Philadelphia Stockyard Co

                Pittsburgh                           Pittsburgh Union Stockyards Co

 

SC           Columbia                             Columbia Stockyards Co

 

SD           Sioux Falls                            Sioux Falls Stockyards Co

 

TN          Chattanooga                      Foust-Yarnell Stockyards

                Knoxville                              East Tennessee Stockyards

                Memphis                             Dixie National Stockyards

                Memphis                             Joseph A Maxwell & Sons Commission Co

                Memphis                             South Memphis Stockyards

                Nashville                              Nashville Union Stockyards, Inc

 

TX           El Paso                                  El Paso Union Stockyards Co

                El Paso                                  Independent Union Stockyards Co

                Fort Worth                          Fort Worth Stockyards Co

                San Antonio                       Union Stockyards

 

UT          North Salt Lake                 Salt Lake Union Stockyards

                Ogden                                  Union Stockyards

 

VA          Richmond                            Richmond Union Stockyards Co

                Richmond                            Southern Stockyards Corp

 

WA         Pasco                                    Pasco Union Stockyards Co

                Seattle                                  Union Stockyards Co

                Spokane                              Spokane Union Stock Yards Co

 

WI          Milwaukee                         Milwaukee Stockyards Co

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Naylor
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 7:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 20/20 5.0

 

A question on the stoci yards east of Chicago was asked during Steve's presentation. Boston had their's On Brighton New York City had theirs' in Manhatten.

https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/tag/cattle-stockyards-manhattan/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Stock_Yards#:~:text=The%20Brighton%20Stock%20Yards%20were,Albany%20Railroad%20and%20transported%20west.

http://www.bahistory.org/CattleIndustry.html


Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Rick Naylor
 

A question on the stoci yards east of Chicago was asked during Steve's presentation. Boston had their's On Brighton New York City had theirs' in Manhatten.

https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/tag/cattle-stockyards-manhattan/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Stock_Yards#:~:text=The%20Brighton%20Stock%20Yards%20were,Albany%20Railroad%20and%20transported%20west.

http://www.bahistory.org/CattleIndustry.html


Re: Whose gon is this?

Mark Kapka
 

Hi 

Industrial works was the manufacturer of the crane ,may not be where the photo was taken.

Mark Kapka
Saginaw, Mich

On Dec 5, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Schuyler,
 
The Hagley site has this as an image title.
Locomotive crane operating in scrap yard, Industrial Works (Bay City, Mich.)
BTW, I feel many mill gons were free roamers. YMMV.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?
 
Well, that clears up the construction of the sides . . .
 
Is the location of the Hagley shot known (I might have missed that)?  What are the chances that the gon in question is, in fact, the same class of gon from the DL&W?  There are no end reporting marks.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 11:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?
 
Eldon,
 
My original thoughts on identifying that gondola from the car end went straight to some P&LE composite mill gondolas. Here’s a car diagram of what I think we see in that photo. Note how the end drop door is drawn.
 
There were several possible P&LE mill gons with these end drop doors. Here’s a nice view of a Lot 333-G car from the Lackawanna Steamtown photo collection.
 
A neighboring image is a closer look at the end drop door.
 
As I review the original image again, I see Carmer uncoupling hardware. The Carmer products were not used on many NYCL cars, so my suggestions on the NYC/P&LE mill gon possibilities may have been for naught. But it still seems like a composite mill gon to me.
 
So we look elsewhere. How about this Lackawanna gon from another set of Steamtown photos?
 
This seems to be a closer possibility.  And we get a closer look at the cool brake hardware!
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD 
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:42 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?
 
 
It looks like a P&LE replacement on a USRA gon, but that pump brake is unfamiliar to me.  Anyone recognize it by brand?
 
Interesting shot.
 
Elden Gatwood
 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon and dolomite container cars are these?

gregory peet <gap49001@...>
 

On Friday, December 4, 2020, 3:04:44 PM EST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Group;

 

I apologize.  Upon further examination, I think those are Calcium Carbide containers.  They were shorter in body, and had smaller capacity chambers.

 

Calcium Carbide was a critical ingredient in iron and steel-making.  It was used in desulphurization of iron, and as fuel in steelmaking to extend scrap ratio to liquid iron, or as deoxidizer at ladle in treatment facility.

 

That stills leaves me with where they came from!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon and dolomite container cars are these?

 

The image title is: Filling scrap charging bucket, Laclede Steel Company (Alton, Ill.). Here’s a wiki page on the successor, Alton Steel. I wonder if the B&O served the plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Steel

I see a Missouri Pacific buzzsaw logo on the gon with containers.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:13 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon and dolomite container cars are these?

 

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

 

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

 

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

gregory peet <gap49001@...>
 

Back in the 1960s when cars passed thru my neighborhood the chalk mark indicated the name of the nearby company it was destined for. i.e. "Miller," "Rheem" or "SS" for Single Service.


Greg Peet
still hunkered down in
Portage MI


On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 10:16:44 AM EST, Louis Adler <lsainnwa@...> wrote:


Not having any knowledge of chalk mark content, what would be typical information conveyed by a chalk mark?  Modeling 1955 means that I need to add them to some of my rolling stock.  TIA

Lou Adler


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Geodyssey
 

I started out as a switchman in 1978. Never saw anyone in train service use chalk as by that date we always had a switchlist or some other paper record of what goes where & when. Some cars did have recent chalk marks- carmen probably, or customer markings. We did not pay attention to the marks since they did not concern the job. I do recall seeing the 1-inch diameter chalk sticks around the yard.

I agree that, in the steam era, almost every car had chalk marks made by crews & carmen. Sometimes a lot of marks. Chalk is temporary, so most would be VERY faded from weathering.

As they were informal (aka no rules) most chalk marks were localized to the point of being specific to a single crew or job. There was no standardization.

Rob Simpson


Re: Okay You Gondola Devotees

dave w
 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:37 AM, Corey Bonsall wrote:
but considering the inside ribs would make loading anything other than loose loads a challenge
Given the huge volumes of commerce based around coal dispersal on and off the RG, then old ones diverted to a variety of other bulk products on the road when the first hoppers arrived in 1953, there isn't really a problem of retaining them in revenue service. The Grande wasted nothing as you know, and the extreme life expectancy was one of the ways of getting ROI they enjoyed (and demanded of operations),
regards davew


Prototype Chalk Markings

golden1014
 

Hi Guys,

I thought you might find this photo interesting.  I took this photo of chalk marks in 2008.  The car is a long-retired Rock Island 50-foot box car.  Even years and years later, the chalk marks are still etched into the paint.  Anyway this is a good example of how many chalk marks, old and new, exist on the same surface.

John Golden


Re: HELP NEEDED ON FRISCO GONFOLA

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Here is a photo of the underside of my car, which was built from a Sunshine flat kit. The 4 flat blocks are added weight.Image.jpeg


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 7:12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HELP NEEDED ON FRISCO GONFOLA
 
Yes Robert:

That's it.

Bill Pardie



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Date: 12/5/20 2:09 PM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HELP NEEDED ON FRISCO GONFOLA

Does the finished car look like this?


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Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 5:32:07 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] HELP NEEDED ON FRISCO GONFOLA
 


I have a Sunshine kit for a Frisco 42' panel side gondola.  I believe tbis was a rebuild of a USRA gondola.  The box was labeled a "Quickie" kit as the body was one piece. Regretfully the under frame has gone missing.  The instructions are not to clear in this area. The drop doors were not incorporated in the rebuild.

Recently a photo of a completed model appeared on this list.  Any information on the underbody or a photo from whoever did this car would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



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