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Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Stockyard List Circa 1921

Douglas Harding
 

The question has been raised as why California is not on the list.

National Provisioner was published weekly in 1921, which is Vol #65. Without the issue number, one will have to search the entire year’s publication to find the correct page 23.

This is what I found on line.

https://books.google.com/books?id=NDI7AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

I do live about 20 miles from a library that does have back issues of National Provisioner. I may have to make a visit to see why California is not on the list.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Stockyard List from “The National Provisioner – Volume 65,  Page 23 (1921)” 

 

AL           Birmingham                      Birmingham Stockyards Co

               Montgomery                     L&N Stockyards

               Montgomery                     Union Stockyards Co of Montgomery

 

CO          Denver                             Denver  Union Stockyard Co

 

DC          Benning                            Union Stockyards Co of New Jersey

 

FL           Jacksonville                      National Stockyards

 

GA          Augusta                            Augusta Stockyard Co

               Dublin                               Dublin Stockyards Co

               Moultrie                            Moultrie Stockyards

 

IA           Sioux City                         Sioux City Stockyards Co

 

IL           Chicago                            Union Stockyard & Transit Co of Chicago

              National Stockyards         St. Louis National Stockyards Co

              Peoria                               Peoria Union Stockyards Co

 

IN          Evansville                          Evansville Union Stockyard Co

              Indianapolis                       Belt Railroad and Stockyards Co

              Lafayette                           Lafayette Union Stockyards Co

 

KS         Wichita                              Wichita Union Stock Yards Co

 

KY         Louisville                           Bourbon Stockyards Co

 

LA         Arabi                                  New Orleans Stockyards, Inc

 

MA        Brighton                             Brighton Stockyards Co

 

MD        Baltimore                           Union Stockyard Co

 

MI          Detroit                               Michigan Central Railroad Co

 

MN        South St Paul                    St. Paul Union Stockyards Co

 

MO        Kansas City                       Kansas City Stockyards Co

              South St Joseph                St. Joseph Stockyards Co

 

NE         South Omaha                    Union Stockyards Co of Omaha

 

NJ          Jersey City                        Jersey City Stockyards Co

              Newark                              Newark Stockyards

 

NY         Buffalo                               New York Central Railroad Co

              New York                           New York Stockyards

              West Albany                      Patrick Horan & Sons

 

OH         Cincinnati                          Cincinnati Union Stockyard Co

              Cleveland                          Cleveland Union Stockyards Co

              Columbus                          Drovers Union Stockyards

              Dayton                               Union Stockyards Co

              Fostoria                             Fostoria Union Stockyards Co

              Marion                               Marion Union Stockyards Co

              Springfield                         Springfield Union Stockyards Co

              Toledo                               Inter-State Stockyards Co

              Toledo                               Toledo Union Stockyards Co

               

OK         Oklahoma City                  Oklahoma National Stockyards Co

 

OR        North Portland                   Portland Union Stockyards Co

 

PA         Lancaster                          Union Stockyard

              Philadelphia                      West Philadelphia Stockyard Co

              Pittsburgh                         Pittsburgh Union Stockyards Co

 

SC         Columbia                          Columbia Stockyards Co

 

SD         Sioux Falls                        Sioux Falls Stockyards Co

 

TN         Chattanooga                     Foust-Yarnell Stockyards

              Knoxville                           East Tennessee Stockyards

              Memphis                           Dixie National Stockyards

              Memphis                           Joseph A Maxwell & Sons Commission Co

              Memphis                           South Memphis Stockyards

              Nashville                           Nashville Union Stockyards, Inc

 

TX         El Paso                              El Paso Union Stockyards Co

              El Paso                              Independent Union Stockyards Co

              Fort Worth                         Fort Worth Stockyards Co

              San Antonio                      Union Stockyards

 

UT         North Salt Lake                 Salt Lake Union Stockyards

              Ogden                               Union Stockyards

 

VA         Richmond                          Richmond Union Stockyards Co

              Richmond                          Southern Stockyards Corp

 

WA        Pasco                                Pasco Union Stockyards Co

              Seattle                               Union Stockyards Co

              Spokane                            Spokane Union Stock Yards Co

 

WI          Milwaukee                         Milwaukee Stockyards Co


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Brian Stokes
 

Having just recently researched the gons for an O scale Intermountain build, there are a few good sources out there on the 50 ton composite gons: 

Railmodel Journal Feb 2000

“USRA Composite Gondola: Construction in HO Scale,” Robert
Hundman, Mainline Modeler, September 1981

Jul-Aug81 Mainline Modeler

"USRA Freight Cars" by James Lane in Railroad History, No. 128 (The Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, Spring 1973)



--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: The Dirty Dozen

Eric Hansmann
 

Facebook images are quite compressed, too. I don’t think it works as well to share fine detail work, unless your camera skills are very good. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I suppose that’s an advantage of FB, but the downside is you have to monitor FB.  Which for me is a major time sink.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen

 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:06 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Kind of evokes some of those Delano shots in Chicago - very cool!  Would like the hear the story for each car . . .  

Rob

That's where Facebook Groups shines, I would just dump all 12 photos in a single post and then add the build details to each photo's page and then we could comment on individual cars or on the overall post. That's where much of the Resin Freight Car interest appears to be going.  Since most of the offline questions/interest is in the non-resin Ertl cars, I'll make one post here with details on what it took to detail up those interesting little cars.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: The Dirty Dozen

Bill Keene
 

Right!

And … I also do not trust FaceBook. Not one bit!

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 7, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I suppose that’s an advantage of FB, but the downside is you have to monitor FB.  Which for me is a major time sink.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen
 
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:06 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Kind of evokes some of those Delano shots in Chicago - very cool!  Would like the hear the story for each car . . .   
Rob
That's where Facebook Groups shines, I would just dump all 12 photos in a single post and then add the build details to each photo's page and then we could comment on individual cars or on the overall post. That's where much of the Resin Freight Car interest appears to be going.  Since most of the offline questions/interest is in the non-resin Ertl cars, I'll make one post here with details on what it took to detail up those interesting little cars.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA



Re: The Dirty Dozen

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I suppose that’s an advantage of FB, but the downside is you have to monitor FB.  Which for me is a major time sink.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen

 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:06 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Kind of evokes some of those Delano shots in Chicago - very cool!  Would like the hear the story for each car . . .  

Rob

That's where Facebook Groups shines, I would just dump all 12 photos in a single post and then add the build details to each photo's page and then we could comment on individual cars or on the overall post. That's where much of the Resin Freight Car interest appears to be going.  Since most of the offline questions/interest is in the non-resin Ertl cars, I'll make one post here with details on what it took to detail up those interesting little cars.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 77827 In The Nevada Desert

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 77827 In The Nevada Desert
A Bob McKeen photo.
X31A perhaps? Patches all along the bottom.

   Any ORER will tell you that yes, it's an X31A. PRR helpfully included classes in listings.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 77827 In The Nevada Desert

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 11:03 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
X31A perhaps?
Inset round roof, so X31 or X31A.
Single door, so X31A.

Last reweigh looks like 1960.
Yes, the patches are characteristic of older X31-types.
Notice that the patches are now rusted out.

Jack Mullen


Photo: PRR Boxcar 77827 In The Nevada Desert

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 77827 In The Nevada Desert

A Bob McKeen photo.

He comments:

"While in Carlin, I saw this Pennsy wagon roof box car in a field and managed to get close enough to record it. The build date below the keystone was 8-36."

X31A perhaps? Patches all along the bottom.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


New eBay listings

Clark Propst
 


Re: USRA open cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Those lists were built using a table function plugin within the WordPress software. I do not know if they are exportable.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 11:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

 

Eric, Those lists look like they came from a excel sheet. Do you have that to share?

Clark

 

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Clark and List Members,
 
Try the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Richard Hendrickson posted a list of USRA hoppers with his article on the Accurail car when it was introduces in RMJ.

Clark

 

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Clark Propst
 

Richard Hendrickson posted a list of USRA hoppers with his article on the Accurail car when it was introduces in RMJ.

Clark

 

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Re: USRA open cars

Clark Propst
 

Eric, Those lists look like they came from a excel sheet. Do you have that to share?

Clark

 

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ben;

 

I thought it looked like it, but have no proof.  I will try to find the correspondence once I can get back into the archives.  I had never seen that treatment before.

 

The USRA cars mods on the PRR are incredibly complicated.  The more I dig, the more questions I add to the stack.  B&O and P&LE look much more systematic.  I get that PRR was being experimental in their thinking, but whew, makes writing about it an endless process.

 

Thanks again for your insights!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 10:41 AM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

 

Elden Gatwood wrote: 

"I would love to also get the complete picture of how the cars were upgraded over time, as many of the owners did a variety of things to keep them serviceable.  Folks on the list continue to ask complicated questions about things like re-roofing, door replacements, end door replacements, etc..  The Westerfield 46’ gon, for instance, Al did not address for the long-term picture, unfortunately, but would be a great target for a follow-on producer to tackle (think 46’ drop ends)."

 

Al Westerfield put a considerable amount of effort to offer the different variations for the boxcars and triple hoppers; my guess is that after the Walthers model was issued, any variations fell to the back burner.  It might yet be something that Andrew could be interested in depending on the work involved and roads offered.

 

 

"On a related subject, is anyone familiar with this door Rich Burg found a photo of?"

 

It's the same door as the one appearing on the Class X36.  There was quite a bit of cross-pollination between the various rebuild/upgrade/new construction programs of the 1930s (ex: salvaged X28 auxiliary doors), so it's not surprising it appears on a Class X26 that's been through the 1930s upgrade program.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: USRA open cars

Ray Breyer
 

Inline image

C&IM 6500-6599 were bought used by the railroad during the Depression.
1930 - 0 cars
1934 - 100 cars
1950 - 83 cars
Gone 1955


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, December 7, 2020, 08:45:27 AM CST, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


Is there a list somewhere of USRA Hoppers and or Gondolas?

I’ve got a C&IM Accurail kit I’d like to know if I should build, or repaint.

Thanks,

Clark Propst

 

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Re: The Dirty Dozen

radiodial868
 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:06 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Kind of evokes some of those Delano shots in Chicago - very cool!  Would like the hear the story for each car . . .  
Rob
That's where Facebook Groups shines, I would just dump all 12 photos in a single post and then add the build details to each photo's page and then we could comment on individual cars or on the overall post. That's where much of the Resin Freight Car interest appears to be going.  Since most of the offline questions/interest is in the non-resin Ertl cars, I'll make one post here with details on what it took to detail up those interesting little cars.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: War Emergency hopper (was Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons)

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here’s an image using my phone. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: The Dirty Dozen

radiodial868
 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 04:43 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
These are looking great, RJ. It’s interesting how these cars had slight detail nuances from one railroad to another. 
Did any companies replace the grabs with ladders by 1939? 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
I am by no means an expert, all I know was learned from Ted's books and RMC series and the PDS info from the likes of Richard Hendrickson.  What I do know is the USRA DS, as opposed to the USRA SS, did not have any major modifications. Did not come across an example that had ladders added.  AT&SF did add some exterior banding during the war. That says a lot for the original no-nonsense sturdy design. Also says a lot for the roof design and the fact they were built using the then modern Andrews trucks.  The RR's just basically ran them into the ground and then retired them. They may have been too late for WWI, but those 25,000 boxcars played an important role in WWII.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood wrote: 
"I would love to also get the complete picture of how the cars were upgraded over time, as many of the owners did a variety of things to keep them serviceable.  Folks on the list continue to ask complicated questions about things like re-roofing, door replacements, end door replacements, etc..  The Westerfield 46’ gon, for instance, Al did not address for the long-term picture, unfortunately, but would be a great target for a follow-on producer to tackle (think 46’ drop ends)."

Al Westerfield put a considerable amount of effort to offer the different variations for the boxcars and triple hoppers; my guess is that after the Walthers model was issued, any variations fell to the back burner.  It might yet be something that Andrew could be interested in depending on the work involved and roads offered.


"On a related subject, is anyone familiar with this door Rich Burg found a photo of?"

It's the same door as the one appearing on the Class X36.  There was quite a bit of cross-pollination between the various rebuild/upgrade/new construction programs of the 1930s (ex: salvaged X28 auxiliary doors), so it's not surprising it appears on a Class X26 that's been through the 1930s upgrade program.


Ben Hom
_._,_._,_


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for that, Ben!

 

I would love to also get the complete picture of how the cars were upgraded over time, as many of the owners did a variety of things to keep them serviceable.  Folks on the list continue to ask complicated questions about things like re-roofing, door replacements, end door replacements, etc.  The Westerfield 46’ gon, for instance, Al did not address for the long-term picture, unfortunately, but would be a great target for a follow-on producer to tackle (think 46’ drop ends).

 

On a related subject, is anyone familiar with this door Rich Burg found a photo of?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 10:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA open cars

 

Elden Gatwood wrote:

"There is a great summary of the USRA 46’ gons on the Westerfield instruction sheet.

 

What a great subject for one of our great hobby publications!"

 

Probably worthy of an extensive treatment similar to that in the latest Railway Prototype Cyclopedia; however, the definitive article remains James E. Lane’s article in the Railway and Locomotive Historical Society’s “Railroad History, No. 128” published Spring 1973.  Copies are readily available on the secondary market.

 

 

Ben Hom

17101 - 17120 of 197025