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Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tom Madden
 

The Kewanee catalog Frank sent me shows the Type "C" came in 21 different sizes, and two versions, for burning either coal or oil. The largest, which, in HO, this one seems to represent, was the Model 770. The coal fired version weighed 31,300 pounds, or less than 16 tons.

This morning the seller had 10 of the boilers left. I see he's now sold out.

Tom Madden


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Charles Peck
 

Kewanee made many different sizes.  Look at the width of your model.  
Seven or eight foot wide, three would work in my opinion.  Nine or ten 
foot wide, I would go with two.  Some smaller sizes might sit crosswise, 
side by side the whole length of the car with just enough spacing for dunnage 
and tie downs.
Chuck Peck


On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:
Hi Chuck,
 
When asked about the weight of these boilers, I was trying to figure out whether a flat car could handle more than one in a load.  Based on your comments, it looks like two or three power boilers would not over load a 40 ton flatcar.  Does that seem reasonable to you?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 6:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load
 
Like many things in life, it depends.  It could be a heating boiler or a power boiler,
Both came in various sizes.  A heating boiler would typically carry 15 PSI or so and
be formed of lighter gauge steel.  The significant weight would be any refractory and
cast iron grates within the boiler.
The power boiler would be formed of heavier sheet steel and might weigh twice as much.
A wild ass guess from someone who has actually fired one of these things would put a
heating boiler of ordinary size at 2 to 5 tons.  A power boiler maybe 10 or 12 tons.
Anyway, as many as would fit on a 40 foot flatcar would not look like an overloaded car.
If anyone were to question it, call them heating boilers.  Still worried?  Put crates of iron
iron grates, boiler fittings, and firebrick on an adjoining flat.
Chuck Peck


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Chuck,
 
When asked about the weight of these boilers, I was trying to figure out whether a flat car could handle more than one in a load.  Based on your comments, it looks like two or three power boilers would not over load a 40 ton flatcar.  Does that seem reasonable to you?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 6:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load
 
Like many things in life, it depends.  It could be a heating boiler or a power boiler,
Both came in various sizes.  A heating boiler would typically carry 15 PSI or so and
be formed of lighter gauge steel.  The significant weight would be any refractory and
cast iron grates within the boiler.
The power boiler would be formed of heavier sheet steel and might weigh twice as much.
A wild ass guess from someone who has actually fired one of these things would put a
heating boiler of ordinary size at 2 to 5 tons.  A power boiler maybe 10 or 12 tons.
Anyway, as many as would fit on a 40 foot flatcar would not look like an overloaded car.
If anyone were to question it, call them heating boilers.  Still worried?  Put crates of iron
iron grates, boiler fittings, and firebrick on an adjoining flat.
Chuck Peck


Re: Photo: SP Tank Car In Tiburon, CA

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

David,

"This looks like a job for . . . [2 beat pause here] . . . Sanborn Maps!"

That building has what looks like some sort of loading chute down almost down to the road, which seems very curious.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:40 PM David Soderblom <drs@...> wrote:
Clearly an oil car, presumably with Bunker-C for the engine moving it.

But look up the hill at that curious building with windows at one end but only a few high windows along the longer side. Guesses?

Sent from my tricorder





Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Charles Peck
 

Like many things in life, it depends.  It could be a heating boiler or a power boiler,
Both came in various sizes.  A heating boiler would typically carry 15 PSI or so and 
be formed of lighter gauge steel.  The significant weight would be any refractory and 
cast iron grates within the boiler.
The power boiler would be formed of heavier sheet steel and might weigh twice as much.
A wild ass guess from someone who has actually fired one of these things would put a 
heating boiler of ordinary size at 2 to 5 tons.  A power boiler maybe 10 or 12 tons.
Anyway, as many as would fit on a 40 foot flatcar would not look like an overloaded car. 
If anyone were to question it, call them heating boilers.  Still worried?  Put crates of iron 
iron grates, boiler fittings, and firebrick on an adjoining flat. 
Chuck Peck


On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:32 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
I do not know what they weighed but I do know that if you ask multiscaledigitial they may have the info for their's.  I recently bought a casting for a flat car load and they can tell the cubic inches of resin used to print the item.  Then take that number and for HO scale multiply it by 87 x 87 x 87 x the density of steel  (about .3 pounds per cubic inch IIRC) and you have a nice approximation for the prototype weight.  They posted the estimated weight on their site for the item I was needing.

Now this works only for items that were solid steel.  For something like a boiler made of sheet metal and tubes with lots of interior voids this would not work.

Allen Cain


Re: Ends for SP S-40-5 Stock Car by Red Caboose.

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Griffin asked:
"Today I had several meetings that I could just listen to and didn't need to be seen on Zoom, so I looked for a relaxing kit to take off the shelf. I am nearing completion of a Speedwitch SP/T&NO B-50-25 kit, so I figured I would double down on the SP and build the Red Caboose SP/T&NO S-40-5 kit. I could fire up the airbrush for both at once. It is styrene, looked well designed, so I thought it would be relaxing.

First discovery was no decals and Ted's decals are out of stock.  Some measuring showed I could use the extra decals from the boxcar kit and fiddle with the dimensional and capacity/weight decals to get them close."

Decals for the Westerfield S-40-4 decals would give you another source of lettering to work with.  They're available separately at $6 per set:


Ben Hom



Ends for SP S-40-5 Stock Car by Red Caboose.

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

Today I had several meetings that I could just listen to and didn't need to be seen on Zoom, so I looked for a relaxing kit to take off the shelf. I am nearing completion of a Speedwitch SP/T&NO B-50-25 kit, so I figured I would double down on the SP and build the Red Caboose SP/T&NO S-40-5 kit. I could fire up the airbrush for both at once. It is styrene, looked well designed, so I thought it would be relaxing.

First discovery was no decals and Ted's decals are out of stock.  Some measuring showed I could use the extra decals from the boxcar kit and fiddle with the dimensional and capacity/weight decals to get them close. Following the assembly instructions, the first step went well and then, step two was to add the ends. The second problem hit me, the kit didn't have the end moldings. That stopped progress for the day. 

First question for the group, does anyone have a spare set of ends for a Red Caboose SP/T&NO S-40-5 Stock Car? That would be the easy solution. 

If not, does anyone have and willing to share or point me to a purchase source for photos of the A and B ends of this stock car? Ted's instructions have pretty good model photos, as does Tony's blog on the subject.  Using a model photo and the known distance of an 18" grab it looks like the end is clad with horizontal 4.5" boards, so I might be able to find some styrene to start a reproduction. So much for a simple, relaxing build. 
 

Thank you for any insights. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Photo: SP Tank Car In Tiburon, CA

David Soderblom
 

Clearly an oil car, presumably with Bunker-C for the engine moving it.

But look up the hill at that curious building with windows at one end but only a few high windows along the longer side. Guesses?

Sent from my tricorder


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Peter Hall
 

Here is a download from the Kewanee Boiler History page:

Kewanee Boiler History

Kewanee Boiler in the Museum 

Among the many exhibits at the Kewanee Historical Society’s Robert and Marcella Richards Museum is one devoted to the name that has brought more recognition to Kewanee over the years than any other—Kewanee Boiler Company.

The focus point of the Boiler display is a large (8 by 4 foot) picture of the Boiler complex as it looked in 1926, when it contained 13 acres of buildings on a site of 33 acres.  The beautifully-framed picture hung near the entrance to the Boiler main office building at 101 Franklin St.  It was donated by Burnham Industries when they closed Kewanee Boiler in 2002.

The Boiler exhibit includes several hundred pictures of the plant, inside and out, and of employees ranging from President E.E. Baker to riveter boys, and, of course, of boilers of all sizes.

The display includes a variety of artifacts and memorabilia, including miniature boilers and numerous scrapbooks of news articles and publications and documents produced by the company.

Another feature is sales brochures from many years, beginning in the 1890s, some of which were added to the collection last fall when items from the estate of Brule Carleson, long-time Kewanee Boiler employee, were donated to the museum.

Especially interesting is a file of World War II Civil Defense clearance reports on several hundred employees, including identification pictures.  Equally interesting are some 1945 company newsletters featuring items on the everyday lives of employees, as well as news about the company.

If you come to the museum to see the Boiler exhibit, and we hope you will, here is some background on Kewanee Boiler Company.

History

A business with the name “Kewanee Boiler Company” began in 1892, but throughout the 1900s when Kewanee Boiler had an anniversary celebration or commemoration, the company marked its beginning as 1868.

The historical explanation for that begins in 1868 when a man named Valerius Anderson started a company in Kewanee to make steam heating devices to heat animal feed.  By 1871 Anderson Steam Heater, as it was called, began making steam boilers for homes and businesses.

In 1875 Anderson moved on but his infant company remained in Kewanee under the ownership of William Haxtun, who had been an employee and would take the company from about 30 employees to over 1,000 in 1891.

The success of Haxtun Steam Heater Company was based on Haxtun’s patent of a new type of boiler in 1875, adding the manufacture of tubes, pipes and valves in the 1880s, and bringing into the company two soon-to-be industrial giants—John Pierce and E. E. Baker.

Haxtun retired in 1891 and sold his share of the business to National Tube Company of McKeesport, Pennsylvania.  The company name was changed from Haxtun Steam Heater to Western Tube Company.

The name change to “Tube Company” indicated that the company was going to concentrate on producing tubes, pipes and valves.  In fact, Western Tube decided to discontinue the production of boilers.

In stepped E. E. Baker, number 2 in the Tube Company behind John Pierce, who along with a number of associates purchased the boiler portion of the business and in 1892 established Kewanee Boiler Company.

Kewanee Boiler remained in the old boiler shops on the east side of Main Street just south of the railroad tracks.  Expecting to remain there for some time, the new company built a two-story brick building on Main Street just south of the boiler shops to house its administrative offices. (See photo)

But business must have been good and the young company made the gamble that paid off for a century as in 1900 they moved to a new facility approximately one mile to the west on the north side of the railroad tracks.  Here Kewanee Boiler would remain and grow until its demise in the late 1900s and finally closing in 2002.

Highlights of Boiler history include the development of a “smokeless” boiler in 1906, a million dollar addition to the plant in 1920 and major contributions to the war effort in both World War I and II.

E.E. Baker would continue to be president of the company until his death on January 1, 1929.  Before his death he would become Kewanee’s premier benefactor, contributing a great deal of money and leadership to the formation and development of Kewanee Park District.  He was president of the district’s board of commissioners from its inception in 1920 to 1929, during which time the district developed Northeast Park, Chatauqua Park and, of course, Baker Park.

Returning to the 1890s, Western Tube Company would thrive under the leadership of John Pierce.  By 1906 production of tubes, pipes and valves was so great that it required over 4,000 employees.  However, that was the peak as a recession in 1907-08 led to a dramatic reduction of 2,000 workers.

During the recession the company decided to move tube and pipe production to its main factory in Pennsylvania.  The local facility’s name was changed to Kewanee Works of National Tube Company in 1908 and the employment level remained around 2,000.

In 1917 the Tube Company sold its Kewanee plant to its leading competitor in the production of valves and fittings, the Walworth Company of Boston, Massachusetts.  Until its closing in 1978 Walworth would share with Kewanee Boiler the distinction of being one of the two major industries in Kewanee.

The museum’s collection of Walworth materials is just as extensive as the Boiler collection, and the same is true of Boss Manufacturing, longtime manufacturer of gloves and still a major distributor of gloves with its headquarters in Kewanee.  Although not as extensive, the museum contains materials and information relating to other Kewanee industries.

Come check out the Kewanee Boiler display and all the other displays on “everything Kewanee.”

BoilerPicForHistory

The photo above is thanks to a donation by the family of the late Brule Carleson, former Kewanee Boiler employee, is this photo of the Kewanee Boiler office building located during the 1890s on Main Street just south of the railroads tracks.  The assembled employees were members of the Star of Hope Lodge 195 of the Brotherhood of Boilermakers.  The union was formed in 1898 and is possibly shown preparing for a Labor Day parade.

Thanks
Pete

On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Hi Tom,

Any idea about what one of those puppies weighed and/or during what time period they were manufactured?

Thanks,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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From: "Tom Madden via groups.io"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday December 9 2020 1:23:47PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

A couple weeks ago this HO Type C Kewanee boiler showed up as something "You may also be interested in..." when I checked eBay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303673005802

For only $15 (plus tax) and free shipping, I went for one. It arrived yesterday. The attached photos show it compared to a smaller boiler previously offered by Resin Car Works. It's 3D printed and shows the same faint diagonal build lines as Corey Bonsall's D&RGW gondola models. The seller (and I have no connection to him/them at all) has many other industrial-type loads in several scales. Appears to be a pretty tough and durable material. The seller also has a Shapeways store but the models there are more expensive and built with Shapeways' sintered nylon process, which leaves a more granular surface.

The flat car is a WestRail model.

Tom Madden



Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Allen Cain
 

I do not know what they weighed but I do know that if you ask multiscaledigitial they may have the info for their's.  I recently bought a casting for a flat car load and they can tell the cubic inches of resin used to print the item.  Then take that number and for HO scale multiply it by 87 x 87 x 87 x the density of steel  (about .3 pounds per cubic inch IIRC) and you have a nice approximation for the prototype weight.  They posted the estimated weight on their site for the item I was needing.

Now this works only for items that were solid steel.  For something like a boiler made of sheet metal and tubes with lots of interior voids this would not work.

Allen Cain


Re: What is a "Manuta gondola"?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
many thanks for every reply - seems to be a hard nut to crack though.
And because of this apparently this is no "must-have-model".
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2020 um 16:07 Uhr
Von: "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] What is a "Manuta gondola"?
I'm not sure that's an Overland box.  Judging by the archbar trucks, this would be an early 20th century prototype, and I can't rule out that it could be a US prototype.  It's not European or from a country that uses chains and buffers for coupling.

Ron Merrick


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tom,

Any idea about what one of those puppies weighed and/or during what time period they were manufactured?

Thanks,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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From: "Tom Madden via groups.io"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday December 9 2020 1:23:47PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

A couple weeks ago this HO Type C Kewanee boiler showed up as something "You may also be interested in..." when I checked eBay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303673005802

For only $15 (plus tax) and free shipping, I went for one. It arrived yesterday. The attached photos show it compared to a smaller boiler previously offered by Resin Car Works. It's 3D printed and shows the same faint diagonal build lines as Corey Bonsall's D&RGW gondola models. The seller (and I have no connection to him/them at all) has many other industrial-type loads in several scales. Appears to be a pretty tough and durable material. The seller also has a Shapeways store but the models there are more expensive and built with Shapeways' sintered nylon process, which leaves a more granular surface.

The flat car is a WestRail model.

Tom Madden


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I bought some of these boilers direct f0rom the company.  They make great loads

Bill Pardie

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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From: "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...>
Date: 12/9/20 8:23 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

A couple weeks ago this HO Type C Kewanee boiler showed up as something "You may also be interested in..." when I checked eBay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303673005802

For only $15 (plus tax) and free shipping, I went for one. It arrived yesterday. The attached photos show it compared to a smaller boiler previously offered by Resin Car Works. It's 3D printed and shows the same faint diagonal build lines as Corey Bonsall's D&RGW gondola models. The seller (and I have no connection to him/them at all) has many other industrial-type loads in several scales. Appears to be a pretty tough and durable material. The seller also has a Shapeways store but the models there are more expensive and built with Shapeways' sintered nylon process, which leaves a more granular surface.

The flat car is a WestRail model.

Tom Madden


Re: Etched brass parts was Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

jerryglow2
 

Using the plastic ones, I used thinned Barge cement to glue them to the roofwalk which can then be easily glued to a plastic roof


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

A couple weeks ago this HO Type C Kewanee boiler showed up as something "You may also be interested in..." when I checked eBay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303673005802

The flat car is a WestRail model.

      I really don't think that flat car is WestRail. 

Tony Thompson




Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tom Madden
 

A couple weeks ago this HO Type C Kewanee boiler showed up as something "You may also be interested in..." when I checked eBay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303673005802

For only $15 (plus tax) and free shipping, I went for one. It arrived yesterday. The attached photos show it compared to a smaller boiler previously offered by Resin Car Works. It's 3D printed and shows the same faint diagonal build lines as Corey Bonsall's D&RGW gondola models. The seller (and I have no connection to him/them at all) has many other industrial-type loads in several scales. Appears to be a pretty tough and durable material. The seller also has a Shapeways store but the models there are more expensive and built with Shapeways' sintered nylon process, which leaves a more granular surface.

The flat car is a WestRail model.

Tom Madden


Private-Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Andy Carlson
 

My thoughts exactly!
-Andy

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:15:04 AM PST, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...> wrote:


Don't those laser cut interiors add to the side's thickness? This seems it would destroy some of the illusion we're trying to achieve.


Re: Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

jerryglow2
 

Don't those laser cut interiors add to the side's thickness? This seems it would destroy some of the illusion we're trying to achieve


Re: What is a "Manuta gondola"?

Ray Hutchison
 

Interesting car... strange that drop bottom/sides are not functional (and not shown in the interior of the care).  If you click on the siting, youcan see the sellers other listings (about 10 brass models when I looked) and you can get the individuals contact information if you want to ask additional questions.

rh


Photo: SP Tank Car In Tiburon, CA

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Tank Car In Tiburon, CA

From the SFGate website:

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/07/37/61/18742360/5/1200x0.jpg

Undated photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

9761 - 9780 of 189722