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Re: Freight car updates

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric,
 
Very nice work!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Freight car updates

I’ve been working through several freight car projects. An update is the latest post on my blog. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Route card tack board on Santa Fe reefers

Charlie Duckworth
 

Anyone know the dimensions of the small route card on a SFRD reefer?  Am replacing the one on the Intermountain kit. 

thanks!
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Freight car updates

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve been working through several freight car projects. An update is the latest post on my blog. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Ray Hutchison
 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Matt Smith wrote:
https://kewanee-history.com/photo-galleries/gallery-4/
It would be an interesting industrial plant to model.  The building is still there, you can take a look at it on google street view.


FW: Bill Welch celebration Zoom

Douglas Harding
 

Attached is the details for the tribute Bill’s train friends have planned. It will be Wednesday, Dec 16th, 9pm EST, via Zoom. The late hour is so we can accommodate those on the west coast. This is open to any who wish to join the Zoom meeting.

 

PLEASE spread the word.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Matt Smith
 

Tom, 

Most Type C were painted a metallic silver or boiler black. Solid color all over.

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tom in Texas
 

I just bought one of the boilers to use as a load

What was the base color and did any of the details like name and model get highlighted in a different color?

Tom Pearson 
Benbrook, TX


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Matt Smith
 

Another great link to Kewanee Boiler history. Lots of good photos, many loaded on rail cars.

https://kewanee-history.com/photo-galleries/gallery-4/
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Matt Smith
 

Here is link to a spec sheet for the Type C. Shipping weight shows a range of 3100 lbs to 26,100 lbs.

https://www.oemboilerparts.com/specs/7L70.pdf

Just pull out the scale rule and measure your model in question to get a ball park weight and how many you can fit on a rail car.

Here is a good photo of a smaller one.

http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/22841/rec/1

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tom Madden
 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 06:29 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I just looked Tom - he's got another batch ready! :-)
Looks like he made another batch of 20. Once you get the printing parameters locked in you can set the printer to running and walk away. I assume the seller is using a Form 2 or equivalent - and probably more than one. You can do multiples on a build platform so if you can do a couple runs a day (including overnight) it's pretty easy to replenish the stock. Considering the large number of items the seller is offering, and the thoroughness of the item descriptions, this is not some random hobbyist making a few for himself and his friends.

Didn't realize a seller can keep an eBay listing active after the item sells. Must be an eBay Store thing when you are selling multiples of identical items. Interesting.....

Tom Madden


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Tim O'Connor
 


I just looked Tom - he's got another batch ready! :-)


On 12/9/2020 7:46 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
The Kewanee catalog Frank sent me shows the Type "C" came in 21 different sizes, and two versions, for burning either coal or oil. The largest, which, in HO, this one seems to represent, was the Model 770. The coal fired version weighed 31,300 pounds, or less than 16 tons.

This morning the seller had 10 of the boilers left. I see he's now sold out.

Tom Madden

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR X36 Boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Yes. the X36 was one of a kind, built in September 1936.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of jace6315 via groups.io <jace6315@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR X36 Boxcar
 

My guess is that it was an experimental (only one was built) lighter weight car, saving roughly 3,000 pounds compared to the similar vintage X35 cars: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x35.gif&sel=box&sz=sm&fr=ge
The X36 was also much wider than the X35 inside (9'4" compared to 8'9") presumably because of no (or a thin) wooden liner.

It looks to me to be very much of a precursor to modern car designs but built much earlier than expected. Anyone have further details on this car?

Jim





PRR X36 Boxcar

jace6315
 


My guess is that it was an experimental (only one was built) lighter weight car, saving roughly 3,000 pounds compared to the similar vintage X35 cars: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x35.gif&sel=box&sz=sm&fr=ge
The X36 was also much wider than the X35 inside (9'4" compared to 8'9") presumably because of no (or a thin) wooden liner.

It looks to me to be very much of a precursor to modern car designs but built much earlier than expected. Anyone have further details on this car?

Jim





Re: WLE 25000 Series X29 Boxcar

Ray Carson
 

Eric,

That's a lot of good information. Thank you for that.

I wasn't even aware that the underbody was different from a typical PRR X29. And the part about the extra lever really answered the black part in the builder's photo.

Guess it's time for me to make some modifications under the body.

Ray


Re: WLE 25000 Series X29 Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

The W&LE 1923 ARA proposed standard steel-sheathed boxcars are interesting ducks. They look like thousands of B&O and Pennsy cars but the underframes are a bit different. You are correct in thinking you see different hardware in prototype photos. Shortly after RPCyc Volume 18 was published, I realized what the W&LE cars had as hardware.

 

The prototypes used the early ARA XM-1 car design underframe and KC brake hardware. On prototype photos, note the bolt heads on the side sill under the door posts. Those indicate where the cross members need to be located. Portions of the stringers need to be removed for the cross members to fit the new locations. Then the stringer detail needs to be added using styrene shapes. See the attached photo for the modifications.

 

Another noticeable element is the large brake lever that is used for the hand brake wheel to activate the brake cylinder. I fashioned an odd shaped bracket from a Kadee #5 metal centering spring for the pivot point. A long guide was also installed to keep the brake lever from sagging. These are elements that can be seen in the shadows of the prototype photos with the help of an Optivisor. Compare these elements and placement with the XM-1 underframe drawing on page 10 of RPCyc V 18 and other early production XM-1 prototype images in the same volume.

 

Sine this photo was taken, I’ve added fine chain to connect the long brake lever to the lever at the brake cylinder clevis. New bolt heads on the sill for the cross member attachments were harvested from an Athearn model and installed.

 

I had several conversations with Bill Welch about these W&LE underframes. He was also unaware of the differences with the other ARA 1923 proposed standard steel-sheathed boxcars.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Carson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WLE 25000 Series X29 Boxcar

 

And just to add to this topic, here's the boxcar I've been working on.

This was one of the first models I bought brand new and unopened (in 2018, as weird as it sounds) at a train shop in Spring, Texas after I began getting back into the hobby and deciding on taking a much more prototypical approach to HO modeling. Much has gone into the model such as me using the AB brakes in the kit and the original plastic sill steps which later broke off and I replaced them with etched sill steps made by Yarmouth Model Works. I even added wire for the vertical brake stand and the retainer line.

 

Later on I replaced the AB brake system and used Tichy K brake. So far I haven't got much done with it considering some parts of the builder's photo and photos of the NKP 25228 had me lost.

 

Overall I'm hoping to get around to adding Carmer cut levers and some remaining details still missing before I paint the parts and get it weathered.

 

-Ray


NYC gondola build notes Pt 1

Eric Hansmann
 

A few modelers are building the Resin Car Works NYC steel gondola kit as a group build. Jerry Hamsmith has collected notes and photos to share in the latest RCW blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/nyc-50-foot-drop-bottom-gondola/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: WLE 25000 Series X29 Boxcar

Ray Carson
 

And just to add to this topic, here's the boxcar I've been working on.

This was one of the first models I bought brand new and unopened (in 2018, as weird as it sounds) at a train shop in Spring, Texas after I began getting back into the hobby and deciding on taking a much more prototypical approach to HO modeling. Much has gone into the model such as me using the AB brakes in the kit and the original plastic sill steps which later broke off and I replaced them with etched sill steps made by Yarmouth Model Works. I even added wire for the vertical brake stand and the retainer line.

 

Later on I replaced the AB brake system and used Tichy K brake. So far I haven't got much done with it considering some parts of the builder's photo and photos of the NKP 25228 had me lost.

 

Overall I'm hoping to get around to adding Carmer cut levers and some remaining details still missing before I paint the parts and get it weathered.

 

-Ray


WLE 25000 Series X29 Boxcar

Ray Carson
 

Hey everyone,

For over two years (blame a mix of jumping from project to project and plain laziness) I've been working on an X29 class boxcar kit made by Red Caboose in the WLE scheme. I've been doing research for a while and looking at photos of the prototype and there were some things that I noticed.

According to the Steam Era Freight Cars WLE X29 page (http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/wlex29main.html) and the June 1998 issue of Railmodel Journal (http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1998_6/ on page 24), these were built with split K brakes. However the builders photo on the SEFC site, NKP photos in the RMJ, and the last known NKP X29 boxcar that I know of (NKP 25228 at the Mad River Museum in Bellevue, Ohio) show the retainer line on the left side of the coupler pocket just like a normal retainer line on any other boxcar. The builders photo also shows a normal K brake that isn't split like the typical PRR X29.

What I'm wondering is that was this overlooked or taken at speculation and assuming the K brake placement was the same split K like on the PRR X29s? Photographic and the surviving WLE/NKP prototype shows otherwise.

-Ray

 


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Charles Peck
 

Boilers are boilers, be it on a locomotive or in a building.  They require cleaning 
and upkeep.  Even if that hospital could handle cold weather with two boilers, 
they would have three. One offline getting serviced or ready to go when another 
was due for service.  Factory, City Hall, school or laundry,  they can't take a day off 
every so often to wash out mud and brush the flues.  Worse, what happens when the 
brickwork collapses and you are down for days?  
Those sort of important places had to have backup.  Your state capitol building almost 
certainly has multiple air conditioning compressors.  
The railroads in steam days would have protection engines ready at change points.  
Same idea, have coverage just in case.  
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:58 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Steve, it doesn’t take a REALLY HUGE BUILDING to require multiples of these in series.  Good engineers set them up so as the weather gets colder, they are lit and heat in sequence, to avoid wasting fuel.  A public school of the vintage we’re likely to be modeling might well require three boilers.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 9:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

 

My question is: would a buyer purchase 2-3 of these. I assume they would not be items that someone would order to put in stock to sell. If I wanted one for my new building, then they would ship me one on a flat car.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 6:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

 

The Kewanee catalog Frank sent me shows the Type "C" came in 21 different sizes, and two versions, for burning either coal or oil. The largest, which, in HO, this one seems to represent, was the Model 770. The coal fired version weighed 31,300 pounds, or less than 16 tons.

This morning the seller had 10 of the boilers left. I see he's now sold out.

Tom Madden


Re: Kewanee boiler flat car load

Douglas Harding
 

I served a church that had an old one in the boiler room down in the basement. They couldn’t get it out when they replaced it with a new smaller modern boiler.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

 

Steve, it doesn’t take a REALLY HUGE BUILDING to require multiples of these in series.  Good engineers set them up so as the weather gets colder, they are lit and heat in sequence, to avoid wasting fuel.  A public school of the vintage we’re likely to be modeling might well require three boilers.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 9:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

 

My question is: would a buyer purchase 2-3 of these. I assume they would not be items that someone would order to put in stock to sell. If I wanted one for my new building, then they would ship me one on a flat car.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 6:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kewanee boiler flat car load

 

The Kewanee catalog Frank sent me shows the Type "C" came in 21 different sizes, and two versions, for burning either coal or oil. The largest, which, in HO, this one seems to represent, was the Model 770. The coal fired version weighed 31,300 pounds, or less than 16 tons.

This morning the seller had 10 of the boilers left. I see he's now sold out.

Tom Madden

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