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Re: WAG Gondola

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Garth!

The WAG's short gondolas in the 100 and up series were former Boston & Maine 9200 series cars with their original bottom doors closed off with plate or welded shut.  (Originally the 92000 series.)  All came to the WAG after our 1960 cut-off.  Funaro & Camerlengo makes a suitable kit.

Mike Schleigh in snow covered Grove City in Western Penna.

On Friday, December 18, 2020, 12:06:09 PM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Friends,

While scanning old magazines for articles I wanted to save, I ran across this interesting photo of WAG gondola 125. This car is not listed in my October 1958 ORER (the only WAG gondolas at all at that time were 52' #3000 and 50' #3100, both GBs). It is a steam-era car, though probably not as a WAG car. Does anyone know where this car came from, and when it might have first appeared on the WAG? Sorry about the quality, but it was just over an inch long on the page.

The photo was taken in 1969 by Frank Tatnell, and was published in the Summer 2018 CLASSIC TRAINS. I received permission from Robert McGonigal of Kalmbach to post this photo to our group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


WAG Gondola

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

While scanning old magazines for articles I wanted to save, I ran across this interesting photo of WAG gondola 125. This car is not listed in my October 1958 ORER (the only WAG gondolas at all at that time were 52' #3000 and 50' #3100, both GBs). It is a steam-era car, though probably not as a WAG car. Does anyone know where this car came from, and when it might have first appeared on the WAG? Sorry about the quality, but it was just over an inch long on the page.

The photo was taken in 1969 by Frank Tatnell, and was published in the Summer 2018 CLASSIC TRAINS. I received permission from Robert McGonigal of Kalmbach to post this photo to our group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Bill McClure
 

Thanks again. Great stuff. I once used Bento. Then after a Mac upgrade, I received the infamous "no longer supported" when I tried to open it. Couldn't even access my files or my backups. Regrettably, I didn't even have a hard copy. So I am starting over.

I know this is a little off the theme of this list, but it will help me (and my heirs) track my STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS. :)

Bill


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Correct, thanks, Brian

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

The correct name was “Oriental Limited”

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 10:45 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

Schuyler,

 

Overland Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tom Marsh -  green boxes, Muncie, IN

 

Oriental Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tony Wenzel – gold boxes, Evansville, IN

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

 

Does anyone have contact information for him?

 

Schuyler


Re: Oriental Models Inc

 

The correct name was “Oriental Limited”

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 10:45 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

Schuyler,

 

Overland Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tom Marsh -  green boxes, Muncie, IN

 

Oriental Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tony Wenzel – gold boxes, Evansville, IN

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

 

Does anyone have contact information for him?

 

Schuyler


Re: Frt Car Model Database

radiodial868
 

I second the FileMaker Pro.
  • It's been around for freaking ever, I've used it since 1992 for various things.
  • Real easy to use, noticed there are hobby collection templates now.
  • To get up and running you can import an Excel list of your collection, and the Column header names become the Field names and each Excel line becomes a FMP Record.
  • You can also store photos of each car (or prototype) in Container fields with each record and view them.
  • Easy to Search and Find specific record(s). Can export to Excel if necessary.
  • Both PC and Mac. Works on iPads and phones too.
  • For our hobby use, any version from 13 on has all the features we would ever use, so can pickup older cheap versions on Amazon or eBay if you want.
  • https://www.claris.com/filemaker/pro/
I'm still running a database of my antique radio collection using version 3.0 from 1995 on an ancient Mac SE in the radio workshop.
It is another tool you have to learn to use, so if you don't like new things or learning, fugetaboutit...
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

 

Overland Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tom Marsh -  green boxes, Muncie, IN

 

Oriental Models, Inc. (OMI) was Tony Wenzel – gold boxes, Evansville, IN

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

 

Does anyone have contact information for him?

 

Schuyler


Oriental Models Inc

Schuyler Larrabee
 

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

 

Does anyone have contact information for him?

 

Schuyler


Re: Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Jim Betz writes:

“then simply roll the model in the 'sheet' of plastic”

 

I’ve seen many modelers wrap models along one of axis, or centerline, of the sheet, then have trouble stuffing it into the foam in the box (if that’s what we’re doing).  For years, I bought a sub sandwich for lunch daily, and noted how they wrapped the sandwich in paper.  They placed the sandwich diagonally on the square of paper and as they rolled it up, they folded in the corners on either side, making a nice tight roll of it all.

 

Works very well when wrapping models in plastic, too . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

 

Tony/all,
  I use Ziploc brand because I like the weight of the plastic (and it is
food grade).   I don't like the lighter weight stuff because it can
'grab' the fine details.

  But - I cut the bag open on 3 sides and toss the closure and 
side edges - and then simply roll the model in the 'sheet' of plastic. 
Works for me.
                                                                                                  - Jim


Southern Reverse Route Instructions for Refrigerator cars 1-18-1955

George Eichelberger
 

These (attached) instructions on where to return refrigerator cars were distributed periodically. (3 parts, 1 large page)

Because the Southern originated banana traffic out of the Port of Charleston, when a banana boat was due to arrive, instructions were to "capture" various empty refrig. reporting marks and send them there for loading. Although most loads from Southern's banana pier left town on the SR to the midwest, some loads were interchanged with both the Coast Line and Seaboard. Banana traffic up and down the east coast was not heavy because ports such as Jacksonville and Tampa were also unloaded bananas.

Ike


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Oh sure, your example is a Sunshine kit you bought for $20 . . .

 

Rub it in a little more, whydoncha?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frt Car Model Database

 

Bill I do.  I use Microsoft Access as I it does help me to keep track of the freight cars I have.  Microsoft Access allows me to get data on my freight cars via queries  and reports I have written.  I began years and years ago in D-Base and eventually moved to Acess.  I have attached photos of of how I can pull data via queries and a report and one filled out as building a model.

Lester Breuer






Lester Breuer


Re: Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

Jim Betz
 

Tony/all,
  I use Ziploc brand because I like the weight of the plastic (and it is
food grade).   I don't like the lighter weight stuff because it can
'grab' the fine details.

  But - I cut the bag open on 3 sides and toss the closure and 
side edges - and then simply roll the model in the 'sheet' of plastic. 
Works for me.
                                                                                                  - Jim


Re: Increasing slope sheet angle on hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yep, as I said, the reason the Lackawanna altered hoppers with steeper slope sheets came back to me.  It was so they could be used for cement service.  That accomplished both of the issues you mention, Jack, the better to discharge the lading, and also to reduce the cubic volume so as not to over load the trucks.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 1:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Increasing slope sheet angle on hoppers

 

Could be something as basic as sand, gravel, or crushed stone, although most railroads using old hoppers in such service didn't bother with alterations to suit the material. A relatively steep slope sheet helps discharge aggregates that can be reluctant, and the reduced cubic capacity works for a material with bulk density around 100 pcf.

Jack Mullen


Re: Frt Car Model Database

John Sykes III
 

Naw.  I use Excel to track my collection.  I have found that I can sort, search, etc. as well in Excel as I can in more sophisticated database applications and it is easier to use and modify.  It is working fine for my ~775 car freight collection.  I track more of the prototype information than the model information, unless there is something unique about the model (e.g., 1956 Revell models or the Ambroid "One of five thousand" models).  I have separate lists for my steam and diesel motive power (~100) and passenger cars too (way behind on that one).  Agree with comment above about buying something at a show that I already have (been there, done that).  My main tracking is by reporting marks, then road number and then about 1/2 of the ORER info.  I have good coverage in ORERs from 1930 through 1970's for primary references.

--  John


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Lester Breuer
 

Bill I do.  I use Microsoft Access as I it does help me to keep track of the freight cars I have.  Microsoft Access allows me to get data on my freight cars via queries  and reports I have written.  I began years and years ago in D-Base and eventually moved to Acess.  I have attached photos of of how I can pull data via queries and a report and one filled out as building a model.

Lester Breuer






Lester Breuer


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Bill McClure
 

Thanks for the suggestions.

Bill


NYC gondola brake details

Eric Hansmann
 

Jerry Hamsmith returns to the Resin Car Works blog with part two of the NYC 50-foot gondola build. Brake system detail are the focus in his latest blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/nyc-50-foot-drop-bottom-gondola-part-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

Mont Switzer
 

Jeff and all,

 

Without Doc Denny who is going to come up with all of this information?

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

 

I was cautioned by the late Dr. Denny Anspach to wrap models in FOOD GRADE polyethyline sheets or bags.  Since the Reboxx are no longer available, he recommended buying them from Dan’s Trains in Ocala, FL.  [I note that they are out of stock at the moment].  Why “Food Grade”?  Because the mold releases that MAY be used on non-food grade bags could interact w/ our models.  Rumor has it that this is the problem with some bubble-wraps.  Food grade bags are not permitted to have such mold releases.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

 

When REBOXX was selling boxes, they had researched “the best” plastic wrappers for models, in part because one of the workers had had very unfortunate experienced with wrapping models he’d custom painted and his customers finding . . . problems.  Unfortunately, none of the surviving personnel remember what it was.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

 

Gary, with my moving, packing HO rolling stock has been a concern. Damage was occurring until I began using these products.

To protect each car I do use pieces of this foam, with additional pieces to line the boxes https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-787P/Foam/Foam-Roll-Perforated-1-16-24-x-1250

I use these boxes https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-3189/Indestructo-and-Literature-Mailers/23-x-13-x-2-1-2-White-Literature-Mailers

The boxes are perfect for rows of HO cars or engines.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

 

Admittedly, this post is not about Steam Era Freight Car models; but the transportation and/or storage of same.

 

I do not have a layout, so virtually all of my models 'live' in a box.....usually the one they came in.  Once they are built, painted, and weathered, in my mind it is not preferable to stick them back in a box unprotected.  I recently 'discovered' something that I think is the answer; but knowing my luck, it will probably be detrimental to the model and/or its finish.  That's why I seek the advice of someone who knows.

 

The material I was thinking of using is a very thin, very soft, pliable plastic.  The source is my grocery store.  It is the bags they have in dispensers in the fruits and vegetables section.  I can find nothing that tells what kind of plastic it is, only that it is classified as a No. 2 Recyclable, and made by Unistar Plastics.

 

Will this stuff end up adhering itself to my models, or perform some other regrettable act of violence toward them?

 

Thanks in advance for tolerance of this subject, and any insight.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois


Calling All Chemists - Thank You

Gary Roe
 

I just wanted to thank everybody for their ideas and suggestions on my storage question.

I appreciate the time you took to write them.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Re: Increasing slope sheet angle on hoppers

Jack Mullen
 

Could be something as basic as sand, gravel, or crushed stone, although most railroads using old hoppers in such service didn't bother with alterations to suit the material. A relatively steep slope sheet helps discharge aggregates that can be reluctant, and the reduced cubic capacity works for a material with bulk density around 100 pcf.

Jack Mullen

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