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Re: NYC gondola brake details

Tim O'Connor
 


what a great idea ! just make a really long drill bit ! :-)


On 12/18/2020 4:59 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Most hobby grade twist drills are long enough to reach in from the end of the car to drill through the body bolster. I use either #72 (.025" dia.) or # 71 (.026" dia.) to give a bit of rattle room. Casting resin is soft enough that it will drill with a "D" bit; a round rod with a flat ground to 1/2 it's diameter on one end. Most well stocked hobby shops carry straight lengths of .025 piano wire, so it's easy to make a drill four or five inches long  to do the inner cross bearers. The long hole through the body bolster will stabilize it; Schuyler's method will put it spot on if needed.. I run it with a variable speed motor tool.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Bud Rindfleisch
 

I also thought that Mike Wolf worked for Lionel at the time those drawings were made. He left and started MTH and to my way of thinking should have put a lock on those drawings strictly for MTH use, but since they were there when he worked for Lionel, I think it was pretty low for him to sue the bigger Lionel Corp. Just my opinion, right or wrong.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Bruce Smith
 

Now, before we rag on BLI too much, I have to point out that the sound equipped K7a came out  (and BLI gave me on as a thank-you for working on the project with them) when my child and the 3 other children who hung out at our house Friday evenings (in the company of their parents) were all around 5-7 years of age. THEY couldn't get enough of that damned car! So I'm inclined to look at it as an "entry level drug" much like the stupid smoke units which the kids also loved. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc
 

Charlie,

 

I cannot forget the PRR K7A with sound either.  Beautiful model but the sound in the damned thing drives me nuts.

 

Mont


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

Tony should be credited with being responsible for the creation of Broadway Limited Imports as well.

Together with a Korean builder and QSI, he was behind the New York Central J3a and N&W Class A which were the first BLI locomotives.  

I don’t know all the details and it isn’t appropriate to go further with the particulars of the changes in leadership in which he separated from the company but he should be credited with morphing the old “Powerhouse” line of Korean production diecast steam locomotives into the factory sound equipped locomotives and freight cars we have today  (can’t forget the PRR K7A stock car with cow, pig, chicken, mule sound effects!!!)

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Mont Switzer
 

Charlie,

 

I cannot forget the PRR K7A with sound either.  Beautiful model but the sound in the damned thing drives me nuts.

 

Mont


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

Tony should be credited with being responsible for the creation of Broadway Limited Imports as well.

Together with a Korean builder and QSI, he was behind the New York Central J3a and N&W Class A which were the first BLI locomotives.  

I don’t know all the details and it isn’t appropriate to go further with the particulars of the changes in leadership in which he separated from the company but he should be credited with morphing the old “Powerhouse” line of Korean production diecast steam locomotives into the factory sound equipped locomotives and freight cars we have today  (can’t forget the PRR K7A stock car with cow, pig, chicken, mule sound effects!!!)

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Narrow Gauge Hobby Shop

Kenneth Montero
 

Bill,
 
The company moved to Pennsylvania. Its name is Narrow Gauge Modeling Company.
 
The website for Narrow Gauge Modeling Company is:  www.narrowgaugemodeling.com
 
Ken Montero
 
 
 
 

On 12/20/2020 2:09 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:
 
 
 
There was a hobby shop in New York state that was referenced on this list that specialized in narrow gauge and had a good supply of Floquil.
 
Anyone recall this?
 
Bill Pardie
 
 
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Narrow Gauge Hobby Shop

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


There was a hobby shop in New York state that was referenced on this list that specialized in narrow gauge and had a good supply of Floquil.

Anyone recall this?

Bill Pardie


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Re: NYC gondola brake details

Lloyd Keyser
 

The Hardware store will have a small pair of cutters that are hard enough to cut music wire.  I  got a small pair at Elliot Hardware  here in Dallas. Not sure the big box stores  carry them only much larger cutters. Be sure and ask for them. I marked mine "steel" so I know which pair they are. Lloyd

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:14 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 02:06 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
How do you cut the piano wire without ruining perfectly good pliers. And do you angle the end to make a “bit” out of it?

I'm sorry, I missed the second part of your question. No, no angle. D bits (also known as single lip cutters) work by the straight edge formed by grinding half the diameter away scraping a tiny chip from the work piece. Of course, urethane resin is rather soft so it doesn't take much scraping to drill a hole. Here is a youtube video that demonstrates making a larger version:
Grinding a D bit
Ignore the multiple diameters, we just need the first step, and it doesn't need to be very long, just back it off repeatedly to clear the chips. These bits don't self center, which is why I use steel piano wire; it's stiff enough to be guided by the hole drilled through the bolster with a twist drill. Once going from crossbearer to crossbearer it can be guided with a pair of tweezers around the spinning bit, or use Schuyler's angle block method. Behind the grind on the tip there is nothing to catch, it's just a smooth wire.

Dennis Storzek


Re: NYC gondola brake details

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 02:06 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
How do you cut the piano wire without ruining perfectly good pliers. And do you angle the end to make a “bit” out of it?

I'm sorry, I missed the second part of your question. No, no angle. D bits (also known as single lip cutters) work by the straight edge formed by grinding half the diameter away scraping a tiny chip from the work piece. Of course, urethane resin is rather soft so it doesn't take much scraping to drill a hole. Here is a youtube video that demonstrates making a larger version:
Grinding a D bit
Ignore the multiple diameters, we just need the first step, and it doesn't need to be very long, just back it off repeatedly to clear the chips. These bits don't self center, which is why I use steel piano wire; it's stiff enough to be guided by the hole drilled through the bolster with a twist drill. Once going from crossbearer to crossbearer it can be guided with a pair of tweezers around the spinning bit, or use Schuyler's angle block method. Behind the grind on the tip there is nothing to catch, it's just a smooth wire.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Is there a US prototype close to this model

Andy Brusgard <ajb1102@...>
 

Does not look familiar to any American car. Can not really see trucks. How European do they look? If you want to work it because it is unusual? Americanize it as much as possible and letter it for a fictitious road or company. Keene Steel could use it.  :-)   . 


Re: Is there a US prototype close to this model

Bruce Smith
 

Definitely NOT close to any PRR car

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Is there a US prototype close to this model
 
I bought this car on eBay because it looked like something I could
kitbash into a usable car in the era covered by the list. All metal
European prototype.  Someone already removed the buffers and added KDs.

Can anyone point me to an American prototype that's close?  Maybe a
Pennsy car?

Jeff White

Alma, IL







Re: Oriental Models Inc

Charlie Vlk
 

Tony should be credited with being responsible for the creation of Broadway Limited Imports as well.

Together with a Korean builder and QSI, he was behind the New York Central J3a and N&W Class A which were the first BLI locomotives.  

I don’t know all the details and it isn’t appropriate to go further with the particulars of the changes in leadership in which he separated from the company but he should be credited with morphing the old “Powerhouse” line of Korean production diecast steam locomotives into the factory sound equipped locomotives and freight cars we have today  (can’t forget the PRR K7A stock car with cow, pig, chicken, mule sound effects!!!)

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Tim O'Connor
 

On 12/18/2020 8:45 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
I have a memory which is a bit different than yours.

Some importer had a batch of passenger cars made and the builder built the industry labeled"over runs" which were extra cars beyond the ordered numbers. After several years, these cars were offered to Tony and he bought them for an attractive price. I bought a few different cars for $60 each back then. Cars were nice and featured cast trucks and not the coined crap which a lot of the Japanese built passenger cars came equipped with. Over runs were a common practice is these earlier days, and the Train Shop in Santa Clara (San Jose), CA. sold many brass items which were boxed in TS boxes and labeled thusly. I did not know that Samhongsa left business from a suffered fatal law suit. I thought he simply wanted to retire. There were so many "sons of Samhongsa" Korean builders at the time. Markets are in a state of flux all the time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, December 18, 2020, 12:42:56 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Anthony Wenzel

After Oriental he started a little brass importer called AWE - Anthony Wenzel Enterprises - using stolen plans
from the Shoreham Shops (around the time when Samhongsa let Lionel use someone else's plans which led to
a major lawsuit by MTH that put Sam out of business). AWE did import a nice early welded Pullman box car.



On 12/18/2020 11:30 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

Edward
 

Here is a Reading drop-end mill gondola with its load, a 90' steel plate girder made by the Shoemakersville Bridge Co. for an overpass being built for grade crossing elimination on Staten Island.

I also scratch built a model of one with working drop ends.

Ed Bommer


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Tim O'Connor
 


I think Armand of The Caboose bought out Oriental's surplus. One year in the late 1990's at the Springfield show
in Massachusetts he had a HUGE display of brass "stuff". I bought a beautiful small Great Northern steam tender
(without trucks or underframe) for $5 - I thought it might make a nice industrial oil tank. And I bought two Lehigh
Valley well flat cars (they were imported by Overland but evidently there were extras) for $40 each - no boxes but
the cars were complete. I could have spent the whole day looking through the massive pile of stuff he had, but if you
have been to Springfield you know you can't stay in just one spot. :-D

Albert Ichelson of Challenger bought out the last of Oriental's model imports and those were the first offerings from
Challenger - and the last diesels Challenger would sell for quite a while.


On 12/19/2020 2:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Mont Switzer wrote:

Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.

     Ah, yes. When I was a kid in Southern California, a classmate in elementary school was moving away, going "back east." Her family was relocating to Denver.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Is there a US prototype close to this model

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks Bill.  There are single 4 axle trucks under the car. It's 81 scale feet long.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/19/2020 3:22 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
Don’t know about Pennsy. Not really familiar with their extensive fleet of speciality flat cars.

It does have some bits similar to the ATSF’s FT- 14 class. A single car numbered 90015. I can’t tell from the photos posted if there are two trucks under the end bolsters or a single four axle truck. The 90015 has two trucks. These being Dalman two-level roller bearing trucks. Overall car length is 72ft-6in. The main center section is 56ft-6in in length and has a 25ft depressed well deck. Capacity is 200 tons.

Photos are on page 77 of the SFRH&MS SANTA FE OPEN TOP CARS by Richard Hendrickson.

Hope that this helps find a match.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@midwest.net> wrote:

I bought this car on eBay because it looked like something I could kitbash into a usable car in the era covered by the list. All metal European prototype. Someone already removed the buffers and added KDs.

Can anyone point me to an American prototype that's close? Maybe a Pennsy car?

Jeff White

Alma, IL






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Re: Is there a US prototype close to this model

Tim O'Connor
 


The PRR had a 4-wheel trucked flat car class FD2 but it was quite different and quite a bit larger.
Most American cars with 8 or more axles used span bolsters and 4 trucks.


On 12/19/2020 3:48 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:
I bought this car on eBay because it looked like something I could kitbash into a usable car in the era covered by the list. All metal European prototype.  Someone already removed the buffers and added KDs.

Can anyone point me to an American prototype that's close?  Maybe a Pennsy car?

Jeff White

Alma, IL


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Tim O'Connor
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Re: Is there a US prototype close to this model

Bill Keene
 

Don’t know about Pennsy. Not really familiar with their extensive fleet of speciality flat cars.

It does have some bits similar to the ATSF’s FT- 14 class. A single car numbered 90015. I can’t tell from the photos posted if there are two trucks under the end bolsters or a single four axle truck. The 90015 has two trucks. These being Dalman two-level roller bearing trucks. Overall car length is 72ft-6in. The main center section is 56ft-6in in length and has a 25ft depressed well deck. Capacity is 200 tons.

Photos are on page 77 of the SFRH&MS SANTA FE OPEN TOP CARS by Richard Hendrickson.

Hope that this helps find a match.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@midwest.net> wrote:

I bought this car on eBay because it looked like something I could kitbash into a usable car in the era covered by the list. All metal European prototype. Someone already removed the buffers and added KDs.

Can anyone point me to an American prototype that's close? Maybe a Pennsy car?

Jeff White

Alma, IL






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Is there a US prototype close to this model

Jeffrey White
 

I bought this car on eBay because it looked like something I could kitbash into a usable car in the era covered by the list. All metal European prototype.  Someone already removed the buffers and added KDs.

Can anyone point me to an American prototype that's close?  Maybe a Pennsy car?

Jeff White

Alma, IL


Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

A photo from the Cornell University Library:

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20434265

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to get a good look at the car's interior.

Also a line of B&O hoppers in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Tom Madden
 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Mont Switzer wrote:
Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.
     Ah, yes. When I was a kid in Southern California, a classmate in elementary school was moving away, going "back east." Her family was relocating to Denver.
Works both ways. When Gail and I lived in New Jersey and were driving to Colorado for our two week vacations, a co-worker told me that his family was going to be vacationing "out west" too. When I asked where, he said Rockford, Illinois.

Tom Madden
 

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