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Re: Retainer Valves

Dave Lawler
 

Jack Burgess,
Thank you for the detailed photo of the KC retainer valve. The ones in the Cal-Scale KC & AB sets are so small that I can not make out the detail.even with a magnifier.
This brings me to another question. I understand that sometime in the mid 30s the government mandated that freight cars be fitted with AB brakes but many older cars
were not retro-fitted right away? I model Ontario, Canada in 1944 so there are likely to be a mix of brake systems? When the brakes on an older car were changed was the retainer
valve changed at the same time? Is a KC valve like the one you pictured not compatible with the AB system or might there me a mix?
Thank you and Merry Christmas to all,
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Jack Burgess
 

I built six of these cars from Richard’s article since they were used on the YV to ship Bunker C to be transferred to logging tank cars which were then hauled up the incline to provide fuel for the Shay locomotives and donkey engines. The only hard part was kit-bashing the trucks. After I finished them I realized that I had too many on the layout and sold three of them on eBay including this one.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

There are a few standard gauge V cars mixed in with the narrow gauge cars in the 55xxxx series with internal heating coils, but the main remaining series of cars were in the 14300 and 15999 series.

 

In the January 1954 ORER, there are 211 cars listed in that range, most of which have 50 ton capacity trucks, but 4 are still listed with 30 ton capacity (the old arch bar trucks, maybe?)

 

In the 1955 tank car tariff, there are still 6500 gallon tank cars listed in the range between 14052 and 14519.  There were no numbers in the 15xxx range in the 1955 tariff.

 

So, I can keep one of Richard’s PSC kitbashes in my long term schedule.

 

Steve Hile


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There are a few standard gauge V cars mixed in with the narrow gauge cars in the 55xxxx series with internal heating coils, but the main remaining series of cars were in the 14300 and 15999 series.

 

In the January 1954 ORER, there are 211 cars listed in that range, most of which have 50 ton capacity trucks, but 4 are still listed with 30 ton capacity (the old arch bar trucks, maybe?)

 

In the 1955 tank car tariff, there are still 6500 gallon tank cars listed in the range between 14052 and 14519.  There were no numbers in the 15xxx range in the 1955 tariff.

 

So, I can keep one of Richard’s PSC kitbashes in my long term schedule.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Gates via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

The January 1952 Condensed Table of Union Tank Car Company Cars lists at least two series of 6500 gallon V cars, not including the narrow gauge cars.

Jim Gates

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 09:53:03 AM CST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

 

Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Robert kirkham
 

Yes, I can’t imagine why two tone makes sense so I guess you are probably right Jim.  

Rob

On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Rob,
  Often the contrast level of these old photos will be 'enhanced' in order to
improve detail - and cause what was a shadow line to resemble a paint
color change ...
                                                                                                          - Jim


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

vapeurchapelon
 

Jim,
 
many thanks to you, too. I am only interested in standard gauge (at least up to date...).
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Dezember 2020 um 19:28 Uhr
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The January 1952 Condensed Table of Union Tank Car Company Cars lists at least two series of 6500 gallon V cars, not including the narrow gauge cars.

Jim Gates

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 09:53:03 AM CST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
 
 

Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

 


Re: GATX Tank Cars (1960)

Dave Nelson
 

Over on the right… the 6 cars from that end are on rails.  Further in there is what looks like a white arrow was marked on the picture (or negative).  Perhaps that is where the tracks ended.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GATX Tank Cars (1960)

 

Interesting.  I don't see any rails underneath these cars.

George York


Photo: PFE 23220 (R-30-12)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE 23220 (R-30-12)

A photo from Trains Magazine:

https://ctr.trains.com/photo-of-the-day/2020/08/modern-reefer-of-the-1920s

Description:

"Pacific Fruit Express was co-owned by Union Pacific and Southern Pacific. This 40-foot class R-30-12 car, built in 1923, had a wood body and steel underframe. It was typical of the thousands of “modern” refrigerator cars through the 1930s.

Photo by Standard Steel Car Co."

Cars in the R-30-12 class were built in 1920-21 by five different builders (2,000 cars) with another batch (6,800 cars) built in 1922-24 by six builders.

Some of these cars eventually were rebuilt into other classes with new car numbers.

There is quite a bit of information about these cars (with photos) in the PFE book.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Jim Gates
 

The January 1952 Condensed Table of Union Tank Car Company Cars lists at least two series of 6500 gallon V cars, not including the narrow gauge cars.

Jim Gates

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 09:53:03 AM CST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


New item from YMW

Pierre Oliver
 

Todays blog posting
https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2020/12/this-has-been-overdue-jig.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Some UTLX Van Dyke cars received underframes and continued in service until at least 1969. There is a photo of a 4K car of this type with underframe, AB brakes and cast steel trucks in John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS v. 2.

As for shipyards, commercial yards did not always have such restrictions. Witness the attached 1982 photo of a partially home-built tank car was taken at Norfolk Shipbuilding & Dry Dock. Maybe I was able to get away this photo because I was a Coast Guard photographer, and had been admitted to shoot pictures one of our cutters under repair, or maybe nobody was looking.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:11 AM erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...> wrote:
Navy shipyards used ‘outlawed’  (banned in interchanged) equipment. Many arch-bar trucks, etc. I saw a frameless tank car at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard back in the seventies. I’ve seen other ‘dinosaurs’ at other shipyards. Probably other industries used in-plant interchange banned cars. NO photography allowed on naval bases.  Bill Smith


On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

vapeurchapelon
 

Jack, Steve, Bill,
 
many thanks for your comments.
Jack, that article contains just exactly what I needed to know:
 
"Still, some of them remained in revenue service into the early 1950s."
 
Lots of thanks!
 
And many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
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Johannes…

 

Attached is an article that freight car expert Richard Hendrickson wrote about them in 1995. Note sure if it will help though.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

erieblt2
 

Navy shipyards used ‘outlawed’  (banned in interchanged) equipment. Many arch-bar trucks, etc. I saw a frameless tank car at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard back in the seventies. I’ve seen other ‘dinosaurs’ at other shipyards. Probably other industries used in-plant interchange banned cars. NO photography allowed on naval bases.  Bill Smith


On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Jim Betz
 

Rob,
  Often the contrast level of these old photos will be 'enhanced' in order to
improve detail - and cause what was a shadow line to resemble a paint
color change ...
                                                                                                          - Jim


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Although UTLX did have some 10,000 gallon Type V cars, the model shown is a 6500 gallon car.

 

The main issue, following their use through WWII, was the requirement to convert to AB brakes.  Note that the model has split KD brakes that are mounted directly to the bottom plate of the tank as there was no center sill.  With some built in the first years of the century and none built past 1912, it would appear that UTLX did not deem conversion to AB schedule brakes worth the cost and effort.

 

Note that this type of car, with the K brakes continued in operation for many years beyond 1953 on Colorado narrow gauge rails.

 

It would be interesting to know what was the last standard gauge Type V car in operation and when it was retired?   Certainly, it would have been at or near 1953.

 

Hope this helps.  With the onset of WWII every tank car that was available was pressed into service.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Jack Burgess
 

Johannes…

 

Attached is an article that freight car expert Richard Hendrickson wrote about them in 1995. Note sure if it will help though.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Upgrading Lackawanna boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

A pair of Accurail 36-foot boxcars are upgraded to follow Lackawanna prototypes in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2020/12/21/lackawanna-boxcars-part-1/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O wagon top covered hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

A.T.

 

You are very welcome!

 

Yes, there is a strange lack of photos of these cars.  Weird due to their unique look…

 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of proto48er
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O wagon top covered hoppers

 

Elden -

Thank you very much for your reply!  (I was away from my computer yesterday, so am late in thanking you!)

I am down in south Texas.  There is a photo in a 1943 issue of Oil & Gas Journal that shows one of these covered hoppers at a petroleum refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.  So they did come to south Texas!  It was carrying catalyst for the fluid catalytic cracking unit at the refinery.  My I&I model has the wood runningboards and is painted in accordance with Jim's painting instructions for the car number that was factory painted on it.  I had looked in vain for prototype photos of these cars (only found one of the N-31 test car).

Thanks again!!

A.T. Kott


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob and all;

 

Nice find!

 

Equally interesting to me is the RDG diagonal plate or boiler head loader just behind.

 

What is that large white load on a car to left?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

 

Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

A photo from the Cornell University Library:

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20434265

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to get a good look at the car's interior.

Also a line of B&O hoppers in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I don’t know of any two tone UTLX tank cars like this.  I think it is more likely the way the light falls, note that the underside of the horizontal (actually the side rail of the end ladder on a car nearer to the camera) member is quite dark, too.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I wonder if that is a two tone car - the bottom course looks obviously darker on so precise a line with the courses it doesn’t just look like how the light falls.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 20, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Andy Cich <ajc5150@...> wrote:

 

Steve,

 

Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:

 

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Rob,

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.

 

It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.

 

David,

 

Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

 

The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.

 

If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.

 

I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit.  

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

 

 

 

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