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Re: UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

Jack Burgess
 

Johannes…

 

Attached is an article that freight car expert Richard Hendrickson wrote about them in 1995. Note sure if it will help though.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


UTLX frameless tank car - how long in revenue service?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I have one of these cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Brass-Precision-Scale-10-000-Gallon-Union-Tank-Car-Frameless-15456-Korea/333831012602?hash=item4db9e100fa:g:DE0AAOSw3ZFf3rca

Years ago I have read these were in use until after WWII, but I am sure - if at all - then with other trucks (easy fix). But when I see how small it is and that it doesn't have a seperate frame - I wonder if this design met all requirements for any kind of service around and after WWII - does anyone of you know more?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Upgrading Lackawanna boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

A pair of Accurail 36-foot boxcars are upgraded to follow Lackawanna prototypes in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2020/12/21/lackawanna-boxcars-part-1/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O wagon top covered hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

A.T.

 

You are very welcome!

 

Yes, there is a strange lack of photos of these cars.  Weird due to their unique look…

 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of proto48er
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O wagon top covered hoppers

 

Elden -

Thank you very much for your reply!  (I was away from my computer yesterday, so am late in thanking you!)

I am down in south Texas.  There is a photo in a 1943 issue of Oil & Gas Journal that shows one of these covered hoppers at a petroleum refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.  So they did come to south Texas!  It was carrying catalyst for the fluid catalytic cracking unit at the refinery.  My I&I model has the wood runningboards and is painted in accordance with Jim's painting instructions for the car number that was factory painted on it.  I had looked in vain for prototype photos of these cars (only found one of the N-31 test car).

Thanks again!!

A.T. Kott


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob and all;

 

Nice find!

 

Equally interesting to me is the RDG diagonal plate or boiler head loader just behind.

 

What is that large white load on a car to left?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

 

Photo: Reading Drop End Gondola

A photo from the Cornell University Library:

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20434265

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to get a good look at the car's interior.

Also a line of B&O hoppers in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I don’t know of any two tone UTLX tank cars like this.  I think it is more likely the way the light falls, note that the underside of the horizontal (actually the side rail of the end ladder on a car nearer to the camera) member is quite dark, too.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I wonder if that is a two tone car - the bottom course looks obviously darker on so precise a line with the courses it doesn’t just look like how the light falls.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 20, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Andy Cich <ajc5150@...> wrote:

 

Steve,

 

Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:

 

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Rob,

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.

 

It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.

 

David,

 

Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

 

The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.

 

If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.

 

I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit.  

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
-- 
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

 

 

 


Re: Retainer Valves

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Bill Welch swore by the Precision Scale retainer valves.  They offer two types inbrass and plastic.
Prior to changing hands I bought both types in brass as O do all my brake rigging in brass.  I think back then there was a packaging probleml as the same product was in both numbers.  I have not addressed this with the new owners.  I have, however, accumulated the retainer valves from the Cal Scale sets..

Bill Pardie

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Robert kirkham
 

I wonder if that is a two tone car - the bottom course looks obviously darker on so precise a line with the courses it doesn’t just look like how the light falls.

Rob

On Dec 20, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Andy Cich <ajc5150@...> wrote:

Steve,
 
Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:
 
 
Andy Cich
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673
 
Rob,
 
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.
 
It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.
 
David,
 
Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.
 
Steve Hile
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673
 
I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.
 
Rob
 
On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
 
Hi Ken,
 
The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.
 
If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.
 
I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.
 
Hope this is helpful.
 
Steve Hile
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673
 
Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit.  

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
-- 
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
 
 



Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Steve SANDIFER
 

This one really interested me, Mars Incorporated Milk car.

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-various-1/content/co-various-293/lightbox/

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Cich
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve,

 

Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:

 

http://www.ejearchive.com/indexphp?/albums/official-various-1/content/co-various-287/lightbox/

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Rob,

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.

 

It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.

 

David,

 

Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

 

The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.

 

If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.

 

I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit. 

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

 

 


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Not to mention the cut up tank cars and heads a couple of pictures later!

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Cich
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve,

 

Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:

 

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-various-1/content/co-various-287/lightbox/

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Rob,

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.

 

It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.

 

David,

 

Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

 

The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.

 

If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.

 

I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit. 

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

 

 


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Ken Adams
 

As an retired DBA using DB2, Oracle, Object Oriented and SQL Server professionally for over 30 years, I would recommend a workbook type program such as Microsoft Excel or Open Office Calc and designing the columns to contain all necessary key fields and data fields. As long as you can search on columns there would be no need for the sophisticated relational or indexing capabilities of commercial database software.  Size limitations on spreadsheets and small database products have expanded over the last 20 years to accommodate quite large arrays of information. underlying file structures for the products of the same software vendor may be the same between workbooks and small databases. 

On the other hand a well designed cloud object database application that contained every RTR/Kit model, scale, ,material(s) and livery, numbering variant with photo and could be accessed by subscribers for a nominal fee does have some appeal. I could see problems with open vetting contributions and ensuring no duplications with differing descriptions of the same product could however mean going down a rabbit hole of contention. This should have been a project for the NMRA (mentioned in spite of some distaste by some in this community for that organization.)

It would be interesting if it were international as there are many fine non-North American models made for other markets. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

Andy Cich
 

Steve,

 

Here is a prototype photo of your 2 dome UTLX car in quite the predicament:

 

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-various-1/content/co-various-287/lightbox/

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Rob,

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  These two projects remain incomplete, but I think that you can see from the prototypes the genesis of the models.  One kit from SC&F, an extra Sunshine X-3 underframe and an Intermountain 10000 gallon tank along with an extra dome from Tom Madden and some Archer Rivets.

 

It reinforces the idea that the tank and underframe are separate entities that can often be adapted for reuse.

 

David,

 

Perhaps the 10000 gallon Intermountain tank might work to get the SCCX tank, with minor surgery on the safety valve locations.  That issue is left as an exercise for the student.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

I’d like to see photos of the fitting/misfitting of those various model parts.  Sounds like a cool project.

 

Rob

 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

 

The closest SC&F kit is their 8000 gallon single dome car.  But the issue there is the tank is a radial course tank and the SCCX car in the photo under discussion has longitudinal courses.

 

If you are into bashing things together, you could, probably, fit a Proto 2000 8000 gallon tank (they may have even made a Shell version) onto the SC&F underframe.  The Standard Tank Car tank cars had a distinctive arrangement of the safety valves on the tank dome top, placing them 180 degrees apart on the car center line.  That will leave you with a tank (and an undeframe) that don’t match.

 

I am trying something a bit different as I have a photo showing an STC 6 six section radial tank mounted on an X-3 underframe.  That freed up the frame for a different project.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice undated image of Shell tank car SCCX 673

 

Steve et al

Which SC&F kit was the Standard Tank Car kit. 

This tank car manufacturer appears to have been used by a lot of west coast refiners in the 1920's and has been ignored by Tangent and others making the newer highly detailed plastic models.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

 

 


Re: An illustration of auto loading inboxcars, 1932

Guy Wilber
 


Claus Schlund wrote:

“An illustration of auto loading in boxcars, 1932...”

An experimental installation of an auto loading device produced by Evans Products Company, Detroit.  The design was from Keith Tobin, an inventor assigned to Evans.  

Several elements of this design would raise concerns within the shipping departments of various automobile manufacturers.  

The system provided no means of elevation at the rear axle of the automobile, thus (when in the semi-decked position) the size of automobiles loaded on the floor were limited to smaller models.  By the mid 1920’s this was an important factor as closed auto models had increased in both height and length.

The support chains cupped on the tires chaffed tires as cars moved on the rails.  Wrapping the tires in canvas was labor intensive and offered little relief.  This same problem led to the demise of New York Central’s first auto loading racks’ tie down system.  The autos on the rack and the floor were secured with chains very much like snow chains.  All of their (NYC) original auto cars equipped as such were eventually modified utilizing the Evans tie down system prior to WWII.

The major drawback of the early “semi-decking” systems was the lack of a permanently installed lifting mechanism.  As within this photo, the loaded automobiles were still required to be lifted into position within such an apparatus.  Heavy and cumbersome chain block hoists were utilized in order to lift autos into travel position as well as lowering them at deliver points.  

I presume from the photo information that this device was installed within a Pere Marquette auto car(?)  PM was very progressive with auto loading and entertained many such devices in experimental service though most failed and would give way to the Evans Auto~Loader which was already under development at the date of this photo.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Bill.

 

Is the form you attached your data entry form for your Access Database? That looks like a good way to enter the relevant data.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frt Car Model Database

 

I also have been using Excel for the roster of the freight cars in the layout fleet. This spreadsheet is searchable by category and major work to be done. 

 

Additionally, each freight car has a record “card” similar to the CCRs — CAR CONSTRUCTION RECORD — of the Pullman Company. A PDF of this Excel based CCR form is attached. 

 

This specific CCR is for an ATSF Sk-3 stock car that was purchased from Clark. A very nice car and one that is the standard that all of the other stock cars in the fleet are measured by. The fields are filled in with model source—in this case Westerfield—the build data and the paint data. The bottom portion is a Service Record that includes dates that the car was shopped—RIP’d—and what work was done. The Notes section included other data and a list of future shopping such as “needs to be weathered” or other repairs noticed while operating on the layout. This could include possible improvements to details. Of course, this latter bit would not be a requirement for a Clark-Built car. 😃

 

Cheers & Happy Modeling,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 

 



On Dec 19, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:

 

I have used Excel for 30 years at least.  Works for me.

Jerry Michels

 


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

While the N Scale BLI K7a is nicely proportioned for some inscrutable reason the factory decided to cheap out and not cut the molds so the slats on the side had full gaps between the boards.  While it is small it is still an obvious flaw as even the Readers Digest “High Speed Products” giveaway copy of the Atlas UP stock car had gaps.  The solution is to put another 40 FT stock car body over the BLI sound chassis.

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have one of the K7A cars just because I am a stock car guy. I don’t know if it will ever appear on my prototype railroad. However, I put the sound unit from one, minus one speaker and turned down low (they are soooo loud) under an Intermountain stock car body for my ATSF layout. Kids love it at open house and my operators sort of get a kick out of it too. I turn down the volume on all of my sound locos to very low. I want the operator to hear it for his/her enjoyment, but not so everyone in the room is disturbed by it. The bell gets the lowest volume!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

 

Charlie,

 

I cannot forget the PRR K7A with sound either.  Beautiful model but the sound in the damned thing drives me nuts.

 

Mont


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Charlie Vlk [cvlk@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

Tony should be credited with being responsible for the creation of Broadway Limited Imports as well.

Together with a Korean builder and QSI, he was behind the New York Central J3a and N&W Class A which were the first BLI locomotives.  

I don’t know all the details and it isn’t appropriate to go further with the particulars of the changes in leadership in which he separated from the company but he should be credited with morphing the old “Powerhouse” line of Korean production diecast steam locomotives into the factory sound equipped locomotives and freight cars we have today  (can’t forget the PRR K7A stock car with cow, pig, chicken, mule sound effects!!!)

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Retainer Valves

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks! Extreme modeling, indeed. :-)

On 12/20/2020 11:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
It’s subtle but there is a difference 
The late version has a full thin corrugation within the main recess


On Dec 20, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Speaking of Yarmouth -- I can't see a difference between the "early" and "late" styles of the end doors.
Can someone tell me how they are different?



On 12/18/2020 5:40 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Just announced this month. Yarmouth models. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer Valves

Pierre Oliver
 

It’s subtle but there is a difference 
The late version has a full thin corrugation within the main recess

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Dec 20, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Speaking of Yarmouth -- I can't see a difference between the "early" and "late" styles of the end doors.
Can someone tell me how they are different?



On 12/18/2020 5:40 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Just announced this month. Yarmouth models. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer Valves

Tim O'Connor
 


Speaking of Yarmouth -- I can't see a difference between the "early" and "late" styles of the end doors.
Can someone tell me how they are different?



On 12/18/2020 5:40 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Just announced this month. Yarmouth models. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NYC gondola brake details

Tim O'Connor
 


what a great idea ! just make a really long drill bit ! :-)


On 12/18/2020 4:59 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Most hobby grade twist drills are long enough to reach in from the end of the car to drill through the body bolster. I use either #72 (.025" dia.) or # 71 (.026" dia.) to give a bit of rattle room. Casting resin is soft enough that it will drill with a "D" bit; a round rod with a flat ground to 1/2 it's diameter on one end. Most well stocked hobby shops carry straight lengths of .025 piano wire, so it's easy to make a drill four or five inches long  to do the inner cross bearers. The long hole through the body bolster will stabilize it; Schuyler's method will put it spot on if needed.. I run it with a variable speed motor tool.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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