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Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Robert kirkham
 

Nice! Comparison with the Rapido model does credit to the comparison.  A few detail changes and it would be hard to tell…

Rob

On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Doug Rhodes <farronhill@...> wrote:

The following was posted on another list and may be of interest:
 
www.nakina.net has this image: http://nakina.net/photos/cn1/cn117312.jpg which is one of the numbers Rapido is offering in CN.  
 
Doug Rhodes
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: December 25, 2020 3:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 
In one old man 's view, if it were not for foobies and stand-ins, a lot of otherwise 
good models would never reach marketable numbers. 
Not a popular view perhaps.
Chuck Peck
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting 
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson






Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Brian Carlson
 

The Reading didn’t have any 10’ IH AAR boxcars, assuming you mean the 1937 AAR car. 

For NKP decals K4 decals have done sets that could be pieced together.  Resin car works has one for a wood car that might be used in conjunction with appropriate data.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 25, 2020, at 11:44 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Bob; that helps.  

I think justifying Rapido’s F30A flat cars is a lot easier to explain out here.  The X31As are obvious of course.  Lots to choose from.  Would like to see some unique NYC and ATSF stuff next.   

Rob

On Dec 25, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:

Very interesting to know Bob! I assume it's because the mines of the Crow, Kootenays and Vancouver Island went to locomotive fuel first and foremost, not being the best for home heating.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:26 PM Bob Thompson <bthompso@...> wrote:
Rob Kirkham wants an excuse to have one of these on his west coast Canadian layout. I can’t confirm a PRR GLa but I do have a photo of a similar CV hopper at a fuel dealer in Victoria, BC. Very interesting is the CNR “GLa" coupled behind it, #115303. As I understand it there was a market for high quality coal for home heating and it would need to come from “back east” because it wasn’t mined in western Canada. I expect there would have various eastern US hoppers showing up on Canada's west coast until other fuels replaced coal.

Bob Thompson
North Saanich, BC




Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Robert kirkham
 

That’s the kind of data that had me asking about other speciality products - besides anthracite loads.  

The truth is, I can’t recall more than a handful of hoppers in photos for my era out here in Vancouver.  Maybe they were all on trains running after dark, lol?

Rob  

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:30 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The Annual Report for GN in 1939 shows carloads by these groups:
  1. Anthracite       1.055
  2. Bituminous    39,248 
  3. Lignite             12,730 and
  4. Coke                  4,561
 
For a little perspective,  GN move 1,150 carloads of eggs, 1,301 of salt and 537 of wool.  If the GLa hoppers could have moved anthracite, I can buy one.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Robert kirkham
 

Well, for CP and CN (and maybe others) go to Blackcat Publishing - excellent decals and right for the cars you are modelling as well as the era.

Rob Kirkham

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:44 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Rapido GLa Hopper

David
 

Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?

Yep, afraid so. They're twin hoppers of the same general size and configuration of the Gla, but many of the details are different (end sill shape, interior and overall length, height and shape of the crossridge). The GT/CN hoppers are a uniquely Canadian design, the sort of thing Rapido might have done in their earlier days.

David Thompson


Decals for 1930's boxcars?

irv_thomae
 

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

gary laakso
 

The Annual Report for GN in 1939 shows carloads by these groups:

  1. Anthracite       1.055
  2. Bituminous    39,248
  3. Lignite             12,730 and
  4. Coke                  4,561

 

For a little perspective,  GN move 1,150 carloads of eggs, 1,301 of salt and 537 of wool.  If the GLa hoppers could have moved anthracite, I can buy one.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

John Riddell
 

The last sentence of the announcement says " Numerous further cars were
built for several roads that were near clones of the CLa design. "

CN (GTR) hoppers built in 1903 and 1904 were VERY close to the PRR GLa first delivered in
1905.

           IL       IW    ex L    ht from rail     capacity in cu ft

GLa   30-5   9-6   32-3     10-0                1683
CN    30-0    9-6   31-9     10-1                1680

Two color photos of the CN hoppers on page 52 of the CN Color Guide.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Gavin
 

Very interesting to know Bob! I assume it's because the mines of the Crow, Kootenays and Vancouver Island went to locomotive fuel first and foremost, not being the best for home heating.


On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:26 PM Bob Thompson <bthompso@...> wrote:
Rob Kirkham wants an excuse to have one of these on his west coast Canadian layout. I can’t confirm a PRR GLa but I do have a photo of a similar CV hopper at a fuel dealer in Victoria, BC. Very interesting is the CNR “GLa" coupled behind it, #115303. As I understand it there was a market for high quality coal for home heating and it would need to come from “back east” because it wasn’t mined in western Canada. I expect there would have various eastern US hoppers showing up on Canada's west coast until other fuels replaced coal.

Bob Thompson
North Saanich, BC


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

John Sykes III
 

I have 52 Bowser PRR GLAs on hand.  Not something I will be rushing out to buy.  Now if it were a GLCA or an H25, that would be different.

-- John


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Bob Thompson
 

Rob Kirkham wants an excuse to have one of these on his west coast Canadian layout. I can’t confirm a PRR GLa but I do have a photo of a similar CV hopper at a fuel dealer in Victoria, BC. Very interesting is the CNR “GLa" coupled behind it, #115303. As I understand it there was a market for high quality coal for home heating and it would need to come from “back east” because it wasn’t mined in western Canada. I expect there would have various eastern US hoppers showing up on Canada's west coast until other fuels replaced coal.

Bob Thompson
North Saanich, BC


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Doug Rhodes
 

The following was posted on another list and may be of interest:

 

www.nakina.net has this image: http://nakina.net/photos/cn1/cn117312.jpg which is one of the numbers Rapido is offering in CN.  

 

Doug Rhodes

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: December 25, 2020 3:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper

 

In one old man 's view, if it were not for foobies and stand-ins, a lot of otherwise 

good models would never reach marketable numbers. 

Not a popular view perhaps.

Chuck Peck

 

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:

Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?

 

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?

 

TIA

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper

 

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson





Re: Weathering A 1920s Tank Car

Todd Sullivan
 

Except that, if the tank car is insulated, the tank bands would be installed to run under the insulation so they could securely clamp the tank to the frame.  Tank car insulation was asbestos sheet covered by a thin metal jacket, not very substantial material for the tank straps to clamp to.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Weathering A 1920s Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Add spilled lading on the center section of the tank where the dome is and it sounds pretty complete. I would skip most rust, although a little at the tank bands where they move on the tank during expansion and contraction might be in order. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weathering A 1920s Tank Car
 

On another group Larry Olsen asked:

"I’m going to be weathering a Tangent General American 8000 gallon insulated tank car. The tank car is silver and has a 1922 built date. I want to weather the car to represent a three year car that has been hauling gasoline. As prototype 1920’s color photos aren’t available, what colors should I use to weather the tank. Should I just weather the soot that would accumulate on the top of the tank and run down the sides when wet. Would light rust begin to appear on the tank top for a tank car three years old. Then add the wheel splashed on the ends and under side of the tank. Thanks for the help."

Suggestions?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Weathering A 1920s Tank Car

Bob Chaparro
 

On another group Larry Olsen asked:

"I’m going to be weathering a Tangent General American 8000 gallon insulated tank car. The tank car is silver and has a 1922 built date. I want to weather the car to represent a three year car that has been hauling gasoline. As prototype 1920’s color photos aren’t available, what colors should I use to weather the tank. Should I just weather the soot that would accumulate on the top of the tank and run down the sides when wet. Would light rust begin to appear on the tank top for a tank car three years old. Then add the wheel splashed on the ends and under side of the tank. Thanks for the help."

Suggestions?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


To All in this Group

George Corral
 

Merry Christmas and a Happier and Healthy New Year!

George Corral
Holiday, FL.
A wee bit North of The Clearwater Car Shops


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Brian Carlson
 

On Dec 25, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson






Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Charles Peck
 

In one old man 's view, if it were not for foobies and stand-ins, a lot of otherwise 
good models would never reach marketable numbers. 
Not a popular view perhaps.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson






Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

David Soderblom
 

Current methods are different from the 1950s. Different chemicals and supporting technology.

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