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Photos: Staley Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Staley Tank Cars

Photos from the Decatur Herald & Review:

AESX 355 (Built 1920)

https://tinyurl.com/y7ec64kp

AESX 628

https://tinyurl.com/ycemkfdo

Click photo to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


YouTube video...

Jack Burgess
 

A new YouTube video has just been released and this one is on a Proto48 weed burner that I built some years ago. Not actually a freight car but you might find some interesting tips, etc. It is at:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ6fFVWZhk

 

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Gavin
 

Well that's unfortunate, but I might pick up a few anyway as filler, or look for the Bowser kit. Currently I'm on the hunt for TLT 8 Hatch Reefers, and I'm hoping Atlas bought the tooling


On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 6:00 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
It looks to me like Rapido is aiming for the modernized PRR version
(higher rivet row for the sides of the hopper bays, and inboard top eave
angle), while the Bowser car is a post-Safety Appliances but otherwise
as-built Gla. The Rapido tooling sample still needs some work (clean up
the rivet configuration on the sides, upper taper on the side posts, add
the reinforcements on the side posts for the crossties). Unfortunately,
this means all non-PRR roadnames will not be accurate.

David Thompson






Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Thomas Klosterman
 

How about Mount Vernon Shops?


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:45:35 -0500, you wrote:

Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?
Yep, afraid so. They're twin hoppers of the same general size and
configuration of the Gla, but many of the details are different (end
sill shape, interior and overall length, height and shape of the
crossridge). The GT/CN hoppers are a uniquely Canadian design, the sort
of thing Rapido might have done in their earlier days.
Maybe.

I suspect Rapido would question the viability of producing any
Canadian design car that primarily existed in the steam-only era given
the struggles to sell their Canadian steam locos - a clear indication
that there simply aren't enough steam era Canadian prototype
modellers.

The exception might be if they were seen a lot in the US and thus US
modellers would buy it, but I'm guessing there aren't a lot of options
in that era.


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Charles Peck
 

If I recall correctly (a big if), wasn't anthracite used as carbon filtration in water plants?
If so, fuel was not the only need for northeast hoppers far afield. 
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM mrvant@... <mrvant@...> wrote:
A lot of western coal was shipped in boxcars on CP. Prairie towns had coal merchants’ bins with the trackside loading bins even with a boxcar floor and the coal was shovelled into them. OCS coal for CP in NB for those coal loader derrick contraptions came by boxcar from local mines too.


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

mrvant@rogers.com
 

A lot of western coal was shipped in boxcars on CP. Prairie towns had coal merchants’ bins with the trackside loading bins even with a boxcar floor and the coal was shovelled into them. OCS coal for CP in NB for those coal loader derrick contraptions came by boxcar from local mines too.


Rapido GLa Hopper

David
 

It looks to me like Rapido is aiming for the modernized PRR version (higher rivet row for the sides of the hopper bays, and inboard top eave angle), while the Bowser car is a post-Safety Appliances but otherwise as-built Gla. The Rapido tooling sample still needs some work (clean up the rivet configuration on the sides, upper taper on the side posts, add the reinforcements on the side posts for the crossties). Unfortunately, this means all non-PRR roadnames will not be accurate.

David Thompson


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Gavin
 

Honestly that's what I love any modeling Vancouver, you have 4 US railways that interchange with you, and several shortlines plus the Kettle Valley/ E&N subdivisions that connected at Hope/Vancouver


On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 10:14 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Nice! Comparison with the Rapido model does credit to the comparison.  A few detail changes and it would be hard to tell…

Rob

On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Doug Rhodes <farronhill@...> wrote:

The following was posted on another list and may be of interest:
 
www.nakina.net has this image: http://nakina.net/photos/cn1/cn117312.jpg which is one of the numbers Rapido is offering in CN.  
 
Doug Rhodes
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: December 25, 2020 3:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 
In one old man 's view, if it were not for foobies and stand-ins, a lot of otherwise 
good models would never reach marketable numbers. 
Not a popular view perhaps.
Chuck Peck
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting 
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson






Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Gavin
 

Coal usually went out of North Vancouver or Burnaby iirc


On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 8:55 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
That’s the kind of data that had me asking about other speciality products - besides anthracite loads.  

The truth is, I can’t recall more than a handful of hoppers in photos for my era out here in Vancouver.  Maybe they were all on trains running after dark, lol?

Rob  

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:30 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The Annual Report for GN in 1939 shows carloads by these groups:
  1. Anthracite       1.055
  2. Bituminous    39,248 
  3. Lignite             12,730 and
  4. Coke                  4,561
 
For a little perspective,  GN move 1,150 carloads of eggs, 1,301 of salt and 537 of wool.  If the GLa hoppers could have moved anthracite, I can buy one.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Gavin
 

Hopefully if the GLa are successful enough they'll consider them


On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 8:45 PM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?

Yep, afraid so. They're twin hoppers of the same general size and configuration of the Gla, but many of the details are different (end sill shape, interior and overall length, height and shape of the crossridge). The GT/CN hoppers are a uniquely Canadian design, the sort of thing Rapido might have done in their earlier days.

David Thompson


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Robert kirkham
 

Nice! Comparison with the Rapido model does credit to the comparison.  A few detail changes and it would be hard to tell…

Rob

On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Doug Rhodes <farronhill@...> wrote:

The following was posted on another list and may be of interest:
 
www.nakina.net has this image: http://nakina.net/photos/cn1/cn117312.jpg which is one of the numbers Rapido is offering in CN.  
 
Doug Rhodes
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: December 25, 2020 3:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 
In one old man 's view, if it were not for foobies and stand-ins, a lot of otherwise 
good models would never reach marketable numbers. 
Not a popular view perhaps.
Chuck Peck
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?
 
On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
David pointed out what the CN cars are. Can anyone tell me, did LV have GLa design cars? Is the LV car correct?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
 

The metal casting for the slope sheets and hopper bays is an interesting 
approach. The CN cars are foobies, of course.

David Thompson






Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Brian Carlson
 

The Reading didn’t have any 10’ IH AAR boxcars, assuming you mean the 1937 AAR car. 

For NKP decals K4 decals have done sets that could be pieced together.  Resin car works has one for a wood car that might be used in conjunction with appropriate data.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 25, 2020, at 11:44 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Bob; that helps.  

I think justifying Rapido’s F30A flat cars is a lot easier to explain out here.  The X31As are obvious of course.  Lots to choose from.  Would like to see some unique NYC and ATSF stuff next.   

Rob

On Dec 25, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:

Very interesting to know Bob! I assume it's because the mines of the Crow, Kootenays and Vancouver Island went to locomotive fuel first and foremost, not being the best for home heating.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:26 PM Bob Thompson <bthompso@...> wrote:
Rob Kirkham wants an excuse to have one of these on his west coast Canadian layout. I can’t confirm a PRR GLa but I do have a photo of a similar CV hopper at a fuel dealer in Victoria, BC. Very interesting is the CNR “GLa" coupled behind it, #115303. As I understand it there was a market for high quality coal for home heating and it would need to come from “back east” because it wasn’t mined in western Canada. I expect there would have various eastern US hoppers showing up on Canada's west coast until other fuels replaced coal.

Bob Thompson
North Saanich, BC




Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Robert kirkham
 

That’s the kind of data that had me asking about other speciality products - besides anthracite loads.  

The truth is, I can’t recall more than a handful of hoppers in photos for my era out here in Vancouver.  Maybe they were all on trains running after dark, lol?

Rob  

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:30 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The Annual Report for GN in 1939 shows carloads by these groups:
  1. Anthracite       1.055
  2. Bituminous    39,248 
  3. Lignite             12,730 and
  4. Coke                  4,561
 
For a little perspective,  GN move 1,150 carloads of eggs, 1,301 of salt and 537 of wool.  If the GLa hoppers could have moved anthracite, I can buy one.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Robert kirkham
 

Well, for CP and CN (and maybe others) go to Blackcat Publishing - excellent decals and right for the cars you are modelling as well as the era.

Rob Kirkham

On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:44 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Rapido GLa Hopper

David
 

Aw so the CN cars are inaccurate?

Yep, afraid so. They're twin hoppers of the same general size and configuration of the Gla, but many of the details are different (end sill shape, interior and overall length, height and shape of the crossridge). The GT/CN hoppers are a uniquely Canadian design, the sort of thing Rapido might have done in their earlier days.

David Thompson


Decals for 1930's boxcars?

irv_thomae
 

I hate to ask "dumb questions", but after three hours of fruitless online searching, I'm probably about to do so anyway.
I've been trying to find HO scale decals appropriate for  AAR boxcars (10' IH, not the taller "modified" design) as built for CN, CP, NKP, Soo, and possibly RDG .   I'm looking for their original lettering schemes, nothing applied after about the first qtr of 1940.
  Also other steel boxcars built earlier in the 30's for those and any other northeastern roads.
   I love Speedwitch Media decals, and I do have Ted's Erie and C&O decal sets, but unless I've overlooked something, I don't think he's done pre-war lettering schemes for other AAR boxcars.
Microscale's current online offerings seem to be heavily tilted away from steam era freight cars, what other suppliers should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Irv Thomae  


Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

gary laakso
 

The Annual Report for GN in 1939 shows carloads by these groups:

  1. Anthracite       1.055
  2. Bituminous    39,248
  3. Lignite             12,730 and
  4. Coke                  4,561

 

For a little perspective,  GN move 1,150 carloads of eggs, 1,301 of salt and 537 of wool.  If the GLa hoppers could have moved anthracite, I can buy one.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

John Riddell
 

The last sentence of the announcement says " Numerous further cars were
built for several roads that were near clones of the CLa design. "

CN (GTR) hoppers built in 1903 and 1904 were VERY close to the PRR GLa first delivered in
1905.

           IL       IW    ex L    ht from rail     capacity in cu ft

GLa   30-5   9-6   32-3     10-0                1683
CN    30-0    9-6   31-9     10-1                1680

Two color photos of the CN hoppers on page 52 of the CN Color Guide.

 

John Riddell

 

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