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Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

Douglas Harding
 

Schuyler I pointed out the Wool Soap signs yesterday afternoon with a comment I thought this was a building that dealt with by-products. Wool Soap was a brand name of the Swift company for one of their many soap products.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that there are “Wool Soap” stickers all over the place.  I am sure that this is a location where Wool Soap is involved.  I’d say that the closest reefer is indeed permanently spotted here. The roof walk (running board, if you prefer) has been removed, further (beyond what others have noted) suggesting it’s not going anywhere.

 

The chimney is not supporting anything, except >possibly< giving the building a bit of lateral support (not likely, the building would have been built with diagonal boards “let in” to the studs to provide lateral stability.”  The building is not under the shed.  The back side of the shed is closer to us than the end of the reefer, which, based on the shadow is nearly even with the near face of the shed.  So the chimney is closer to us than the face of the shed.

 

There are indeed burlap bags on the ground. I think they are next to the platform which has a crate or something similar on it, the corner of which is casting a shadow on the edge of the platform decking.  The platform, which is at floor height of the cars, probably extends far enough to reach the doors of the far three cars, which may be in use to transport freight.  Now, someone mentioned that Swift had a plant nearby.  Maybe these cars, unsuitable for interchange, and shuttling the materials for Wool Soap from that other location to here,. 

 

Note that looking in the dark area between the back corner of the building and the corner of the reefer, there appears to be something ALONGSIDE the other side of the shed.  I see that as very likely another freight car, or cars (box cars) on the next track over to the left.  Unfortunately, we can’t walk off to the left to see if there is a car there or not.

 

Interesting shadow of the five-crossarm pole on the side of the street behind us.  Shadows of wires on the front of the building too.  Strangely, there appears to be a shadow of another pole across the driveway at the right, but the angle of that shadow doesn’t conform to the shadow of the five-crossarm pole.  What’s up with that??

 

Finally, I agree that 1935 is the address of this building on the street, and NOT the date of the image.

 

VERY interesting photo.

 

Schuyler

 

P.S. Claus thanks for doing what so often needs to be done, repeating the URL for the photo being discussed:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll21/id/3846/rec/102

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

Forgot to mention, if you zoom in on the window, you can see a little bit of the interior of the shack, might be the edge of a roller shutter desk that is hopelessly crowded up with 'stuff' of some sort.

 

Also, note that we are looking a a four-car cut of reefers, and the three furthest from the camera have very obvious chalk marks, but the one car closest to the camera does NOT have any chalk marks. Further evidence that the car closest to us may not have moved in a very long time...

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

Hi List Members,

 

For everyone's convenience, I will put the web link back into the conversation...

 

 

The date is given at the web site as: [1935?]

 

I will say that if you zoom in on the image, the sign immediately above the door reads - you guessed it - 1935! I suggest it might be a street address number, but maybe the library researchers mistook it as being the year?

 

I will also add that the shed looks to be very recent construction, the wood is in top-notch shape, not dirty nor dog-eared nor weathered to any detectable extent.

 

Someone mentioned there may be two tracks under the shed, but I do not think that to be the case. I suspect there is an enclosed annex to the back end of the shack that extends under the shed - perhaps the shed covers this annex and/or a loading platform beyond the annex to provide shelter from the elements?

 

Also notice that the poster on the end of the car is not just pasted on, it is nicely framed with wood that has 45 degree beveled corners, and the poster appears to have been put up there is some amount of care to make for a good-looking presentation. Contrast this with the other pasted-up bills that are in the image. This makes me think the car closest to the camera is there to stay.

 

I like how the siding used to make up the sides of the shed appear to be random width boards!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

This location is about a block from the Denver Union Station. A map that came with the book "Denver's Railroads" shows the L.J. Brown hide house, but where the Swift shack and shed are located in the photo is called out as "Country Club Dist[ribution] Co. Interestingly, the track (or tracks - are there two under the shed? I think so.) are not shown on that map, which shows every track that existed, and I mean every track. The map is said to be from "about 1936." 

 

Another map from the same book, from "a time when the narrow gauge South Park and Clear Creek Lines were still operating," again show no tracks but does show a building outline that is consistent with the photo. The building is labeled "KC Bag Co." I believe the South Park line was abandoned in 1937.

 

I suspect the photo is from well before 1935, and even the library questions that date. The freight cars in the background seem to support this.

 

I tend to agree that the reefer closest to the camera is permanently parked there. The condition of the paint compared to the others is one give-away in my opinion. Note also the plethora of chalk marks on the others, but none on the first car.

 

Swift had a large packing plant a few miles away from this location so I suspect suspect something was shipped from the packing plant to this location for use or transshipment in the immediate area. This is very close to downtown Denver.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Parks via groups.io <BPARKS_43@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Dec 26, 2020 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

This may end up being one of those photos that we never figure out.

Dave Parker questions the date of the photo, and the age of the cars would suggest it was more around WWI.  Additionally, from what I could determine, the girl on the poster on the end car was used on multiple posters form around 1900 through WWI (may have been used later, but I couldn't find any dated later).

The fact that the poster is on the car, and not the building, is very interesting.  As far as I know, that would make the car ineligible for interchange, which lends weight to Ken Akerboom's comment about the cars possibly being used for "permanent" storage.  If that was the case, then 1935 would be probable for the date of the photo.

I am leaning towards agreeing with Douglass Harding that this structure has to do with byproducts.  His observations about that are logical.

Finally, the brick chimney looks like it was built prior to the covering over the track.  My guess is it was for heating in the building.  It almost looks like it is used to help hold up the shed, but you can see a partial gap at its top, which says to me it is not holding any of the load.  Makes me wonder if the chimney was still in use at this time.  If it was, then some (or all) of the smoke would end up under the shed.

Probably the best way to resolve all of this is if anyone can determine anything based on the cars in the background.  Will be interesting to follow other's comments on this one.
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that there are “Wool Soap” stickers all over the place.  I am sure that this is a location where Wool Soap is involved.  I’d say that the closest reefer is indeed permanently spotted here. The roof walk (running board, if you prefer) has been removed, further (beyond what others have noted) suggesting it’s not going anywhere.

 

The chimney is not supporting anything, except >possibly< giving the building a bit of lateral support (not likely, the building would have been built with diagonal boards “let in” to the studs to provide lateral stability.”  The building is not under the shed.  The back side of the shed is closer to us than the end of the reefer, which, based on the shadow is nearly even with the near face of the shed.  So the chimney is closer to us than the face of the shed.

 

There are indeed burlap bags on the ground. I think they are next to the platform which has a crate or something similar on it, the corner of which is casting a shadow on the edge of the platform decking.  The platform, which is at floor height of the cars, probably extends far enough to reach the doors of the far three cars, which may be in use to transport freight.  Now, someone mentioned that Swift had a plant nearby.  Maybe these cars, unsuitable for interchange, and shuttling the materials for Wool Soap from that other location to here,. 

 

Note that looking in the dark area between the back corner of the building and the corner of the reefer, there appears to be something ALONGSIDE the other side of the shed.  I see that as very likely another freight car, or cars (box cars) on the next track over to the left.  Unfortunately, we can’t walk off to the left to see if there is a car there or not.

 

Interesting shadow of the five-crossarm pole on the side of the street behind us.  Shadows of wires on the front of the building too.  Strangely, there appears to be a shadow of another pole across the driveway at the right, but the angle of that shadow doesn’t conform to the shadow of the five-crossarm pole.  What’s up with that??

 

Finally, I agree that 1935 is the address of this building on the street, and NOT the date of the image.

 

VERY interesting photo.

 

Schuyler

 

P.S. Claus thanks for doing what so often needs to be done, repeating the URL for the photo being discussed:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll21/id/3846/rec/102

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

Forgot to mention, if you zoom in on the window, you can see a little bit of the interior of the shack, might be the edge of a roller shutter desk that is hopelessly crowded up with 'stuff' of some sort.

 

Also, note that we are looking a a four-car cut of reefers, and the three furthest from the camera have very obvious chalk marks, but the one car closest to the camera does NOT have any chalk marks. Further evidence that the car closest to us may not have moved in a very long time...

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

Hi List Members,

 

For everyone's convenience, I will put the web link back into the conversation...

 

 

The date is given at the web site as: [1935?]

 

I will say that if you zoom in on the image, the sign immediately above the door reads - you guessed it - 1935! I suggest it might be a street address number, but maybe the library researchers mistook it as being the year?

 

I will also add that the shed looks to be very recent construction, the wood is in top-notch shape, not dirty nor dog-eared nor weathered to any detectable extent.

 

Someone mentioned there may be two tracks under the shed, but I do not think that to be the case. I suspect there is an enclosed annex to the back end of the shack that extends under the shed - perhaps the shed covers this annex and/or a loading platform beyond the annex to provide shelter from the elements?

 

Also notice that the poster on the end of the car is not just pasted on, it is nicely framed with wood that has 45 degree beveled corners, and the poster appears to have been put up there is some amount of care to make for a good-looking presentation. Contrast this with the other pasted-up bills that are in the image. This makes me think the car closest to the camera is there to stay.

 

I like how the siding used to make up the sides of the shed appear to be random width boards!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

 

This location is about a block from the Denver Union Station. A map that came with the book "Denver's Railroads" shows the L.J. Brown hide house, but where the Swift shack and shed are located in the photo is called out as "Country Club Dist[ribution] Co. Interestingly, the track (or tracks - are there two under the shed? I think so.) are not shown on that map, which shows every track that existed, and I mean every track. The map is said to be from "about 1936." 

 

Another map from the same book, from "a time when the narrow gauge South Park and Clear Creek Lines were still operating," again show no tracks but does show a building outline that is consistent with the photo. The building is labeled "KC Bag Co." I believe the South Park line was abandoned in 1937.

 

I suspect the photo is from well before 1935, and even the library questions that date. The freight cars in the background seem to support this.

 

I tend to agree that the reefer closest to the camera is permanently parked there. The condition of the paint compared to the others is one give-away in my opinion. Note also the plethora of chalk marks on the others, but none on the first car.

 

Swift had a large packing plant a few miles away from this location so I suspect suspect something was shipped from the packing plant to this location for use or transshipment in the immediate area. This is very close to downtown Denver.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Parks via groups.io <BPARKS_43@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Dec 26, 2020 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

This may end up being one of those photos that we never figure out.

Dave Parker questions the date of the photo, and the age of the cars would suggest it was more around WWI.  Additionally, from what I could determine, the girl on the poster on the end car was used on multiple posters form around 1900 through WWI (may have been used later, but I couldn't find any dated later).

The fact that the poster is on the car, and not the building, is very interesting.  As far as I know, that would make the car ineligible for interchange, which lends weight to Ken Akerboom's comment about the cars possibly being used for "permanent" storage.  If that was the case, then 1935 would be probable for the date of the photo.

I am leaning towards agreeing with Douglass Harding that this structure has to do with byproducts.  His observations about that are logical.

Finally, the brick chimney looks like it was built prior to the covering over the track.  My guess is it was for heating in the building.  It almost looks like it is used to help hold up the shed, but you can see a partial gap at its top, which says to me it is not holding any of the load.  Makes me wonder if the chimney was still in use at this time.  If it was, then some (or all) of the smoke would end up under the shed.

Probably the best way to resolve all of this is if anyone can determine anything based on the cars in the background.  Will be interesting to follow other's comments on this one.
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

David Burnett
 

Tony,

the Alaska RR would be the fourth. Sometimes UP cars would go thru the Milw.

Hope this helps,
DSB.
David S. Burnett


On Sunday, December 27, 2020, 1:36:05 PM PST, espee4441 <espeesd45t2@...> wrote:


I apologize for the digression, could you name the fourth US line that interchanged to the Lower Mainland? I'm at a loss, there's GN, MILW and NP but I'm obviously missing something. Is it ARR possibly by maybe connecting with the docks in dt Vancouver? 

Tony Pawley


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

espee4441
 

I apologize for the digression, could you name the fourth US line that interchanged to the Lower Mainland? I'm at a loss, there's GN, MILW and NP but I'm obviously missing something. Is it ARR possibly by maybe connecting with the docks in dt Vancouver? 

Tony Pawley


Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Irv, 

The Nickel Plate's "swing tail R" was in use in advertising since the teens, but only used on some rolling stock and engines during the 1939-1947 period (and even then, was only haphazardly applied). During the war years all three styles of "ROAD" were in use at the same time, making modeling from photos a must.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Sunday, December 27, 2020, 12:51:01 PM CST, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:


  I appreciate your suggesting K4 Decals for NKP, and I have been corresponding with Michael Hood.   I would like to model a car from the #15500-15999 series, built in Sept 1937, as it would have looked in the first half of 1941.

   The decal sheet that K4 currently offers (in several scales) uses a version of the NKP herald in which the 'K' in "Nickel Plate Road" has a curved "tail" but the 'R' does not.   Do you or anyone else happen to know when the decorated 'R' came into use? Pg 146 of Ted Culotta's "Freight Car Reference Book" shows that herald on NKP #20177, which was built in January 1940.  However, in that photo taken on July 10, 1943, the car looks as if it has been freshly repainted.
Thanks!!
Irv
   


Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

As built ref NKP 15000 series would have been painted like this when built.  I don’t have a great pic. 

   Kind of a twisted perspective on the NKP . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

Brian Carlson
 

Those are the Reading XMV class. They are not typical 1937 AAR cars. They were built by the Reading shops. If you were looking for typical 1937 cars, tabbed sills, Murphy roof etc. they aren’t them. They are available from F&C in HO. 

As built ref NKP 15000 series would have been painted like this when built.  I don’t have a great pic. 

The swing tail R started with the 1941 builds, I think. Ray Breyer will correct me if I’m wrong. The swing trail R was until the end of the war when the straight leg R was used.  


Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 1:51 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

  My principal source of information is the compilation of "1937 AAR Boxcars (1936-1947)" by Ed Hawkins, which lists 300 RDG cars, numbered 103000-103299, built in Nov 1937.  They had Duryea underframes, 3-panel Creco doors, Alan Wood Super Diamond running boards, and an unusual side-sheet rivet pattern.   That would make for a quite unusual model, but I probably won't be ambitious enough to tackle it.

  I appreciate your suggesting K4 Decals for NKP, and I have been corresponding with Michael Hood.   I would like to model a car from the #15500-15999 series, built in Sept 1937, as it would have looked in the first half of 1941.

   The decal sheet that K4 currently offers (in several scales) uses a version of the NKP herald in which the 'K' in "Nickel Plate Road" has a curved "tail" but the 'R' does not.   Do you or anyone else happen to know when the decorated 'R' came into use? Pg 146 of Ted Culotta's "Freight Car Reference Book" shows that herald on NKP #20177, which was built in January 1940.  However, in that photo taken on July 10, 1943, the car looks as if it has been freshly repainted.
Thanks!!
Irv
   


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

rwilson1056
 

Notice there's Swift, Cudahy, & Wilson facilities all in that 1-2 block area. 


Re: Decals for 1930's boxcars?

irv_thomae
 

  My principal source of information is the compilation of "1937 AAR Boxcars (1936-1947)" by Ed Hawkins, which lists 300 RDG cars, numbered 103000-103299, built in Nov 1937.  They had Duryea underframes, 3-panel Creco doors, Alan Wood Super Diamond running boards, and an unusual side-sheet rivet pattern.   That would make for a quite unusual model, but I probably won't be ambitious enough to tackle it.

  I appreciate your suggesting K4 Decals for NKP, and I have been corresponding with Michael Hood.   I would like to model a car from the #15500-15999 series, built in Sept 1937, as it would have looked in the first half of 1941.

   The decal sheet that K4 currently offers (in several scales) uses a version of the NKP herald in which the 'K' in "Nickel Plate Road" has a curved "tail" but the 'R' does not.   Do you or anyone else happen to know when the decorated 'R' came into use? Pg 146 of Ted Culotta's "Freight Car Reference Book" shows that herald on NKP #20177, which was built in January 1940.  However, in that photo taken on July 10, 1943, the car looks as if it has been freshly repainted.
Thanks!!
Irv
   


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--was Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

David and all;

In all the research, PRR analyses, and photo evidence, it is evident that PRR hoppers went off-line all the time, and if they went into anthracite territory loaded, they generally got reloaded with anthracite for the way back. PRR was a source of tremendous help to under-capitalized roads that did not have sufficient cars of their own.

I have seen hundreds of cars of anthracite railroads in bituminous territory, and vice versa.

PA bituminous was also widely shipped everywhere else, also, and one huge user was the roads that did not have steam-engine-quality bituminous on-line.

I don't want to cause another of those endless "Hoppers DID/DID NOT" travel dialogs, but the idea that hoppers did not travel is patently false.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:58 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

It's about time to point out that PRR didn't really do much in the Pennsylvania anthracite regions; the vast majority of PRR coal was regular old bituminous.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Steve,
 
I noticed that too!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Swift & Company Shed

The somewhat crooked grabs on the end of the car make me feel a little better about my modeling.
Steve Wolcott


Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

Steve Wolcott
 

The somewhat crooked grabs on the end of the car make me feel a little better about my modeling.
Steve Wolcott


Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

David
 

It's about time to point out that PRR didn't really do much in the Pennsylvania anthracite regions; the vast majority of PRR coal was regular old bituminous.

David Thompson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Gavin
 

And since PRR got to Chicago, it is possible some could me shipped further west on GN, MILW or SOO/CP to points west


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 9:24 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

It’s not an “if”, Chuck, you are correct; anthracite was indeed shipped all over as a water treatment consumable.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

 

If I recall correctly (a big if), wasn't anthracite used as carbon filtration in water plants?

If so, fuel was not the only need for northeast hoppers far afield. 

Chuck Peck

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM mrvant@... <mrvant@...> wrote:

A lot of western coal was shipped in boxcars on CP. Prairie towns had coal merchants’ bins with the trackside loading bins even with a boxcar floor and the coal was shovelled into them. OCS coal for CP in NB for those coal loader derrick contraptions came by boxcar from local mines too.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

It’s not an “if”, Chuck, you are correct; anthracite was indeed shipped all over as a water treatment consumable.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

 

If I recall correctly (a big if), wasn't anthracite used as carbon filtration in water plants?

If so, fuel was not the only need for northeast hoppers far afield. 

Chuck Peck

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM mrvant@... <mrvant@...> wrote:

A lot of western coal was shipped in boxcars on CP. Prairie towns had coal merchants’ bins with the trackside loading bins even with a boxcar floor and the coal was shovelled into them. OCS coal for CP in NB for those coal loader derrick contraptions came by boxcar from local mines too.


Re: Sanborn maps (was Hindsight 20/20 5.0)

akerboomk
 

B&M links now fixed.  At:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/sanborn_bm_sheets_mass

 

(note the data is just listing the sheet numbers with B&M trackage, not the scans of the Sanborn maps…)

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Sanborn maps (was Hindsight 20/20 5.0)

akerboomk
 

It is my understanding the B&W microfilmed Sanborn maps were produced from the LoC’s color originals.

 

So the color ones available on-line from the LoC scanning project *should* match the microfilm versions, just in color.

 

The “overlays” seem to mostly occur starting in the 1930s (from Bureau of Census Sanborn books that were given to the LoC?)

Although I am sure overlays were used earlier, the maps were “completely” redraw relatively frequently [depending on the city/town] before then, so the need was less.  (or maybe just the LoC collection only had the original books, and did not subscribe to, or paste in, the updates, whereas the Bureau of Census did?)

 

If you are interested in which sheets have B&M trackage, see:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/s/BM-Sanborn-Maps.pdf

 

(although checking now, it looks like I need to re-do all the links…)

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Gondola with Slope Sheets

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Vince!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Lee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Gondola with Slope Sheets

 

I just finished up a pair of these, using mainly the Mantua plastic gondola.

 

 

Vince Lee

 

 

Modeling the Erie 28th Street Terminal in New York City

(https://www.facebook.com/Erie28thSt)  and at the West Island Model RR Club (Facebook:@westislandmodelrailroaders)


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Gondola with Slope Sheets

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Todd;

 

Glad you asked!

 

This was an event dreaded by most, when things got out of control under the “floor” of the blast furnace, and it required draining of the molten iron mass into something called The Salamander, due to its shape.  Think pigs, but much, much bigger.  This was a dangerous process.

 

The demands of WW2 caused the loss of many specialized people from the industry, and replacement with people that often didn’t know what they were looking at.

 

There were signs a blast furnace was going out of control.  If it did, they literally had to drill through the walls containing the base beneath the floor, then dig slowly through until they could tap the salamander into the sand beds pictured.

 

This process ate up HUNDREDS of freight cars for wall debris, fill removal, cinder removal, burden removal, and cooled salamander material (mostly iron broken up) recycling.  Those cars are proof of process.

 

There are extremely few photos that show this event.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Gondola with Slope Sheets

 

OK, Elden, I'll bite.  What's the salamander?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Brian Rochon
 

Garth et al,

 

A couple of comments regarding LOC Sanford Maps.

 

  1. The index page for each Volume has a change history shown.  If you look at that page you can see the original (copyright) date as well as the history of the dates that changes were made.
  2. All of the digitized LOC maps are in color and are available for free download in several file formats and resolutions from the LOC.

 

v/r,

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 20/20 5.0

 

Bill and friends,

 

Some cautions with the Sanborn maps are in order.

 

Some of the colorful paper originals had updates pasted in over the years, so a book issued with a particular date might actually contain later information. Of course, this is hard to see on a digitized version, and IIRC, they paste-ins were not dated.

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