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Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Here’s the Ambroid USN Helium tank car, done as per instructions, little or nothing extra done to it.  I got the model assembled, at a flea market. Overall, a pretty decent effort. Mostly it just need a ton of Archer rivets ... the prototype’s whole frame was riveted together, quite prominently. The tapered tank ends don’t quite line up, but they don’t look too bad either. And NO, I’m not going to take it apart to correct this minor issue!

Interestingly, a number of these cars survive at the SpaceX launch complex in Florida, off their trucks, and used as staionary helium storage.


Dan Mitchell
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Bill Parks via groups.io <BPARKS_43@...> wrote:

I've seen one or to of the helium cars in completed state, and when done properly, they are a great looking car - not sure I would want to take on that challenge though.

As far as the NYC/Conrail hopper, I'm speechless, and would be interested to hear the opinions of some NYC experts.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: SLSF 53395

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



I really appreciate the photo of this USRA gondola. I have a brass SL-SF car on my roster.  Also about  month ago I posted a guestion on this list concerning the under-frame  of this gondola rebuilt with panel sides.  Once again several list members came to.my rescue.  

Over the weekend my missing floor miracuasly turned up.  Now I find myself in need of any photos of this rebuilt car.  Particularly the B end showing the type of brake wheel and coupler release mechanism.

Thanks on advance for any help.

Bill Pardie
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...>
Date: 12/28/20 10:12 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 53395

Large close up of loaded gondola, Chicago, late 40’s.

https://portal-ccc.s3.amazonaws.com/media/images/newberry/83/x05xj2r.jpg

Dave Nelson

 


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Bill Parks
 

I've seen one or to of the helium cars in completed state, and when done properly, they are a great looking car - not sure I would want to take on that challenge though.

As far as the NYC/Conrail hopper, I'm speechless, and would be interested to hear the opinions of some NYC experts.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Jerry Michels
 

First wooden Ambroid kit of this model I have seen assembled! Jerry Michels


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Tony is correct….the Sanborn Maps often did not accurately or at all show railroad tracks as they had no direct impact on the fire information.

That being said, the earlier ones can provide some interesting information.   For example, the earliest maps for Downers Grove, Illinois show the first location of the turntable in a parcel on the south side of the tracks that later became a lumber yard.   When most suburban train terminations were transferred from Riverside to Downers Grove and a new suburban coach yard and engine house were built further west and on the north side of the tracks and a larger turntable was installed.

Without the Sanborn Maps we would not have known about the earlier location. 

The earlier the issue the better chance it has of showing reasonable track configuration.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 20/20 5.0

 

Garth Groff awrote:



Sanborn maps usually show railway tracks in detail. 

 

      Only if they are simple. The area near the SP in San Luis Obispo, California shown in the Sanborn shows nothing at all in the railroad area, with the notation "full of tracks."

       The same map group shows a double-track industry service as single track, and shows a wye as a single curved track (one wye leg). I would say that Sanborn MAY show tracks accurately, but may well not.

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


SLSF 53395

Dave Nelson
 

Large close up of loaded gondola, Chicago, late 40’s.

https://portal-ccc.s3.amazonaws.com/media/images/newberry/83/x05xj2r.jpg

Dave Nelson

 


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs)  . . .

I think the drawbar-connected pairs were made well after World War II, in fact maybe after 1960. Someone on the list probably knows for sure.

Tony Thompson




Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff awrote:

Sanborn maps usually show railway tracks in detail. 

      Only if they are simple. The area near the SP in San Luis Obispo, California shown in the Sanborn shows nothing at all in the railroad area, with the notation "full of tracks."
       The same map group shows a double-track industry service as single track, and shows a wye as a single curved track (one wye leg). I would say that Sanborn MAY show tracks accurately, but may well not.

Tony Thompson




Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Jake Schaible
 

could be worse....


Re: YouTube video...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks for the compliment!

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] YouTube video...

 

Hello Jack,

 

again fantastic modeling! Many thanks for the link!

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 19:23 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] YouTube video...

A new YouTube video has just been released and this one is on a Proto48 weed burner that I built some years ago. Not actually a freight car but you might find some interesting tips, etc. It is at:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ6fFVWZhk

 

 

Jack Burgess


Re: YouTube video...

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Jack,
 
again fantastic modeling! Many thanks for the link!
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 19:23 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] YouTube video...

A new YouTube video has just been released and this one is on a Proto48 weed burner that I built some years ago. Not actually a freight car but you might find some interesting tips, etc. It is at:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ6fFVWZhk

 

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello together,
 
I for myself welcome this new model very much as it seems to me that we will now get a nicely done 2D-F8 truck with in-gauge brake shoes for the first time! If these won't be available separately I will order several complete models just to get a couple of these trucks...
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 17:44 Uhr
Von: "Gavin" <senftgav@...>
An: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLa Hopper
Well that's unfortunate, but I might pick up a few anyway as filler, or look for the Bowser kit. Currently I'm on the hunt for TLT 8 Hatch Reefers, and I'm hoping Atlas bought the tooling

 
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 6:00 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
It looks to me like Rapido is aiming for the modernized PRR version
(higher rivet row for the sides of the hopper bays, and inboard top eave
angle), while the Bowser car is a post-Safety Appliances but otherwise
as-built Gla. The Rapido tooling sample still needs some work (clean up
the rivet configuration on the sides, upper taper on the side posts, add
the reinforcements on the side posts for the crossties). Unfortunately,
this means all non-PRR roadnames will not be accurate.

David Thompson




 


Re: [Realism] unusual models for sale on ebay

Steve SANDIFER
 

At least we know why the helium car is for sale.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of ed_mines via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] unusual models for sale on ebay

 

looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


Removing details

Eric Hansmann
 

I've shared techniques and tools to remove details in part two of the Lackawanna boxcar upgrade story. It's the latest post on my DesignBuildOp blog.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not very long ago, probably in the 2000s, Boston dug up some rifle-drilled wooden pipes in the downtown area.  They had been made from trees.

 

And as a side note ,one of my colleagues while I was working for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had a souvenir from a project where the original buried piping was being replaced.  It was a small-bore (about an inch or so) water pipe that had been cast in a long clamshell form, with the concrete poured in around a greased pole, later removed from the end of the form before the concrete was completely cured

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 8:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

 

If anyone on this list is a member of AWWA (American Water Works Association) or can find the AWWA Journal in a library, there might be a history of water distribution.  AWWA was founded in 1881 so they were around for this.  I'm not sure there ever was an AWWA standard for wooden stave pipe, at least I can't come up with one.

I suspect it was a regional thing.  In the east, home to the NEWWA (Northeastern Water Works Association), cast iron pipe would have been favored, while the west and northwest would have leaned toward the wooden stave pipe, while the areas in between could have leaned toward one or the other on the basis of transportation costs by way of railroad flatcar.

There were probably essentially no new installations of stave pipe after World War II.

Ron Merrick, piping engineer


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

To quote the instructions "Taper tank ends, using a dime store pencil sharpener. Use care to taper all equally." Sadly the modeler took it a bit too far!

That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs) from styrene and resin (make one "perfect" tank and then cast the 28 or 30 needed).

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of ed_mines via groups.io <ed_mines@...>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] unusual models for sale on ebay
 
looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


unusual models for sale on ebay

ed_mines
 

looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper--Anthracite carloads on Great Northern

 

Chuck,

You bring up a point that I am very interested in: Carbon used for filtration in water plants. I model the B&O's Georgetown Branch ca 1945-55, and include the Dalecarlia Water Treatment Plant which sat next to the Potomac River at the MD/DC line. Various chemicals were delivered there and a plan of the overhead bridge structure used to transport raw materials at the plant has a tube labeled "Carbon." I have been thinking about this for the last week or so when I discovered it and am interested in understanding how this material was produced, where it was produced and how it was transported. I imagine it came in a very fine granular form, much like you see it today in your water filters, and small enough to be pumped through the 3" pipe at the filtration plant, by air pressure. Covered hopper? Tank cars? Box cars?

I wrote a blog post about my findings, here: http://gbblog.sluggyjunx.com/2020/12/18/commodities-dalecarlia-water-treatment-plant which includes some diagrams and aerial photos. Here is a visual from 1956 showing the yard:


Photo by R. Mumford, from my collection of scans.

Thanks to anyone who may shed some light on this. 

Best,
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

John Barry
 

The boxcars in the background are led by a CB&Q car in two of the cuts. And, if my eyes don't deceive me, they all have truss rod underframes.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





On Sunday, December 27, 2020, 10:55:34 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I'm at a loss as to how the 1935 could be a correct address.  This is west (geographically southwest) of the 16th Street viaduct, if that is indeed the correct viaduct.  Certainly could be, since it appears to have streetcar tracks on it, judging by the poles.  I don't have immediate access to an old Denver map, so I can't say what a more likely address would be for this, or even the cross street, but the street it's on could be 15th, below the viaduct.

Ron Merrick




Re: Photo: Swift & Company Shed

mopacfirst
 

I'm at a loss as to how the 1935 could be a correct address.  This is west (geographically southwest) of the 16th Street viaduct, if that is indeed the correct viaduct.  Certainly could be, since it appears to have streetcar tracks on it, judging by the poles.  I don't have immediate access to an old Denver map, so I can't say what a more likely address would be for this, or even the cross street, but the street it's on could be 15th, below the viaduct.

Ron Merrick



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