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Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Tim O'Connor
 


My Dad built dozens of Ambroid, Quality Craft and other craftsman kits of that era - which he later
sold at train meets in Texas in the late 1980's. They were all expertly built and I sometimes wonder
if they're still in collections down there... I know the helium and poultry cars were among them as
was that weird NYC (?) wood gondola with sides that slanted inwards...



On 12/28/2020 5:57 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
AHM had a helium car made by Roco: http://ho-scaletrains.com/ahm-helium-carrier/
 
Ken Montero
On 12/28/2020 8:55 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
 
 
Ed,
 
To quote the instructions "Taper tank ends, using a dime store pencil sharpener. Use care to taper all equally."  Sadly the modeler took it a bit too far!
 
That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs) from styrene and resin (make one "perfect" tank and then cast the 28 or 30 needed).
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 
 

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looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Steve SANDIFER
 

There were 241 Helium cars built in 8 series. First were 3 big tubes, them 28 small tubes, then the last 6 sets had 30 tubes. The articulated cars date from around 1985. Models of the 3 tube were done poorly by Lionel. The 28 tube version was a wooden model by Sterling and Universal. The 30 tube version was done by Ambroid, Northeastern,  AHM, and Pecos River Brass, but none really capture it. I had hoped that resin kits would be available.

If any manufacturer out there wants help, I have crawled all over one of the cars here in Houston and shot detailed photos of everything I could find. I included a tape measure in many of the photos.  Santa Fe modelers need some.

Cars are preserved in Houston, Amarillo, Flagstaff, and at Edwards AFB and Cape Canaveral, possibly elsewhere.  

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:11 PM
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Bruce Smith wrote:



That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs)  . . .

 

I think the drawbar-connected pairs were made well after World War II, in fact maybe after 1960. Someone on the list probably knows for sure.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Tim O'Connor
 


Since tariff making was a pain and since tariffs were based on 'carloads'... just making the
"car" out of two cars must have made sense to the accounting department. And possibly it
made a difference to work rules too (like 44 ton locomotives vs 45 ton locomotives).

I don't know of any cars paired before the 1960's. The SP had such cars (e.g. F-140-1).


On 12/28/2020 3:10 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bruce Smith wrote:

That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs)  . . .

I think the drawbar-connected pairs were made well after World War II, in fact maybe after 1960. Someone on the list probably knows for sure.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Kenneth Montero
 

AHM had a helium car made by Roco: http://ho-scaletrains.com/ahm-helium-carrier/
 
Ken Montero

On 12/28/2020 8:55 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
 
 
Ed,
 
To quote the instructions "Taper tank ends, using a dime store pencil sharpener. Use care to taper all equally."  Sadly the modeler took it a bit too far!
 
That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs) from styrene and resin (make one "perfect" tank and then cast the 28 or 30 needed).
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 
 

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looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


Re: SLSF 53395

Tim O'Connor
 


I'll guess 1948. :-)

A sharp photo.


On 12/28/2020 3:12 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

Large close up of loaded gondola, Chicago, late 40’s.

https://portal-ccc.s3.amazonaws.com/media/images/newberry/83/x05xj2r.jpg

Dave Nelson



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Steve SANDIFER
 

Ah, the Lionel 3 tube model. Can you imagine unloading helium this way?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:49 PM
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could be worse....


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Here’s the Ambroid USN Helium tank car, done as per instructions, little or nothing extra done to it.  I got the model assembled, at a flea market. Overall, a pretty decent effort. Mostly it just need a ton of Archer rivets ... the prototype’s whole frame was riveted together, quite prominently. The tapered tank ends don’t quite line up, but they don’t look too bad either. And NO, I’m not going to take it apart to correct this minor issue!

Interestingly, a number of these cars survive at the SpaceX launch complex in Florida, off their trucks, and used as staionary helium storage.


Dan Mitchell
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Bill Parks via groups.io <BPARKS_43@...> wrote:

I've seen one or to of the helium cars in completed state, and when done properly, they are a great looking car - not sure I would want to take on that challenge though.

As far as the NYC/Conrail hopper, I'm speechless, and would be interested to hear the opinions of some NYC experts.

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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: SLSF 53395

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



I really appreciate the photo of this USRA gondola. I have a brass SL-SF car on my roster.  Also about  month ago I posted a guestion on this list concerning the under-frame  of this gondola rebuilt with panel sides.  Once again several list members came to.my rescue.  

Over the weekend my missing floor miracuasly turned up.  Now I find myself in need of any photos of this rebuilt car.  Particularly the B end showing the type of brake wheel and coupler release mechanism.

Thanks on advance for any help.

Bill Pardie
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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From: Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...>
Date: 12/28/20 10:12 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 53395

Large close up of loaded gondola, Chicago, late 40’s.

https://portal-ccc.s3.amazonaws.com/media/images/newberry/83/x05xj2r.jpg

Dave Nelson

 


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Bill Parks
 

I've seen one or to of the helium cars in completed state, and when done properly, they are a great looking car - not sure I would want to take on that challenge though.

As far as the NYC/Conrail hopper, I'm speechless, and would be interested to hear the opinions of some NYC experts.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Jerry Michels
 

First wooden Ambroid kit of this model I have seen assembled! Jerry Michels


Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Tony is correct….the Sanborn Maps often did not accurately or at all show railroad tracks as they had no direct impact on the fire information.

That being said, the earlier ones can provide some interesting information.   For example, the earliest maps for Downers Grove, Illinois show the first location of the turntable in a parcel on the south side of the tracks that later became a lumber yard.   When most suburban train terminations were transferred from Riverside to Downers Grove and a new suburban coach yard and engine house were built further west and on the north side of the tracks and a larger turntable was installed.

Without the Sanborn Maps we would not have known about the earlier location. 

The earlier the issue the better chance it has of showing reasonable track configuration.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
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Garth Groff awrote:



Sanborn maps usually show railway tracks in detail. 

 

      Only if they are simple. The area near the SP in San Luis Obispo, California shown in the Sanborn shows nothing at all in the railroad area, with the notation "full of tracks."

       The same map group shows a double-track industry service as single track, and shows a wye as a single curved track (one wye leg). I would say that Sanborn MAY show tracks accurately, but may well not.

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


SLSF 53395

Dave Nelson
 

Large close up of loaded gondola, Chicago, late 40’s.

https://portal-ccc.s3.amazonaws.com/media/images/newberry/83/x05xj2r.jpg

Dave Nelson

 


Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

That's just one of the challenging aspects of this kit. I'd love to see a high quality helium car (pre- or WWII era) in resin and I've thought about building a set (they usually travelled in pairs)  . . .

I think the drawbar-connected pairs were made well after World War II, in fact maybe after 1960. Someone on the list probably knows for sure.

Tony Thompson




Re: Hindsight 20/20 5.0

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff awrote:

Sanborn maps usually show railway tracks in detail. 

      Only if they are simple. The area near the SP in San Luis Obispo, California shown in the Sanborn shows nothing at all in the railroad area, with the notation "full of tracks."
       The same map group shows a double-track industry service as single track, and shows a wye as a single curved track (one wye leg). I would say that Sanborn MAY show tracks accurately, but may well not.

Tony Thompson




Re: unusual models for sale on ebay

Jake Schaible
 

could be worse....


Re: YouTube video...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks for the compliment!

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
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Hello Jack,

 

again fantastic modeling! Many thanks for the link!

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 19:23 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
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A new YouTube video has just been released and this one is on a Proto48 weed burner that I built some years ago. Not actually a freight car but you might find some interesting tips, etc. It is at:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ6fFVWZhk

 

 

Jack Burgess


Re: YouTube video...

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Jack,
 
again fantastic modeling! Many thanks for the link!
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 19:23 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] YouTube video...

A new YouTube video has just been released and this one is on a Proto48 weed burner that I built some years ago. Not actually a freight car but you might find some interesting tips, etc. It is at:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ6fFVWZhk

 

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Rapido GLa Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello together,
 
I for myself welcome this new model very much as it seems to me that we will now get a nicely done 2D-F8 truck with in-gauge brake shoes for the first time! If these won't be available separately I will order several complete models just to get a couple of these trucks...
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 17:44 Uhr
Von: "Gavin" <senftgav@...>
An: main@realstmfc.groups.io
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Well that's unfortunate, but I might pick up a few anyway as filler, or look for the Bowser kit. Currently I'm on the hunt for TLT 8 Hatch Reefers, and I'm hoping Atlas bought the tooling

 
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 6:00 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
It looks to me like Rapido is aiming for the modernized PRR version
(higher rivet row for the sides of the hopper bays, and inboard top eave
angle), while the Bowser car is a post-Safety Appliances but otherwise
as-built Gla. The Rapido tooling sample still needs some work (clean up
the rivet configuration on the sides, upper taper on the side posts, add
the reinforcements on the side posts for the crossties). Unfortunately,
this means all non-PRR roadnames will not be accurate.

David Thompson




 


Re: [Realism] unusual models for sale on ebay

Steve SANDIFER
 

At least we know why the helium car is for sale.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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looks like someone had a pencil sharpener


Removing details

Eric Hansmann
 

I've shared techniques and tools to remove details in part two of the Lackawanna boxcar upgrade story. It's the latest post on my DesignBuildOp blog.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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