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Re: Two boxcars

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Rich,

Two handsome looking models.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you, Corey. 

The D&RGW GS gons and UCR gondola kits that you offer in 3D printed versions fill a gap.  I've built one of the UCR models, and it went together well and looks good.  I have a DRGW 46ft kit yet to build.  Interesting note that some UCR gondolas show up in photos hauling logs in the Seattle-Tacoma area.  I suspect the cars came north loaded with coal or copper concentrate, and were stolen for a while to haul logs.  I am modeling the NP's Grays Harbor Branch in 1952, so my UCF gon will get pressed into such service.  However I'll make sure that one of my Yard Masters sends the car back home! :-)

Todd Sullivan


Two boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

I have been trying to clear off my workbench by finishing various freight car projects by the end of the year.  I just finished two boxcars.

 

CNW 107734 is a riveted side PS-1 boxcar.  It was built from an Intermountain 10’ 6” boxcar kit.  Intermountain 4044-02 Youngstown doors, 40' PS-1 roof w/ end panels removed, 50' PS-1 ends, and 40' PS-1 detail sprue were used.  I added a Red Caboose AAR underframe, Kato ASF A3 trucks with ReBoxx 20950 wheelsets, Kadee 158 couplers, 2002 roofwalk, 2252 side grab irons,and 2024 Equipco brake wheel; DA BW6401 Equipco housing and FC6213 door handles; Tichy brake levers, HiTech Details 6040 air hoses and brackets, Archer AR88025 rivets, Speedwitch D197 decals, and Speedwitch chalk mark decals.  I painted the car with Tru-Color TCP-010 Black and TCP-183 C&NW 1944-60's Freight Car Brown after priming with Tamiya Fine Surface primer.  Weathering was done with Pan Pastel Paynes Grey Extra Dark and Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.

 

SP 82765 is a class B-50-21 1937 AAR boxcar.  It started as an IMWX kit.  The underframe was detailed with a Westerfield AB brake valve, Cal Scale dust collector, and Yarmouth brake levers.  Other details include Kadee 2251 side grabs, 2016 gypsum running board, 158 couplers, 441 brake pads, & 2021 Equico brake wheel.  From Yarmouth I used 507 cut lever brackets and 201 stirrup steps.  I used Accurail Bettendorf trucks with IM 0.088" wheelsets.  Other details included DA BW6401 Equipco brake housing and SY2210 chain, Plano 132 Gypsum brake platform, HiTech Details 6040 air hoses and brackets, Tangent TSM203 coupler lift bars, and Tichy 3021 grab irons.  The original plan was to use the factory lettering, but I wanted to model a car repainted with the Southern Pacific spelled out.  I removed the lettering on the left side of the cars and repainted with ScaleCoat Boxcar Red and used Speedwitch and Sunshine Models decals.  Weathering was done with Pan Pastel Neutral Grey Extra Dark and Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  I used Speedwitch chalk mark decals.  Special thanks to Tony Thompson for answering questions so I could get the details right.

 

By tomorrow I should have the last freight car on the workbench done so I can start a new set of projects.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

These cars had clasp brakes . . . more braking power per axle

 

Which explains a lot, Dennis, thanks.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 4:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 09:49 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I noticed that Eric, and I first thought that those must be replacement trucks.  The sideframes look much more modern than 1922, but outside hung on a truck with those sideframes seems very odd.

These cars had clasp brakes, that is, brake shoes on both sides of the wheel, similar to passenger cars. The big B&LE hoppers built about fifteen years later had them also. Clasp brakes, which pinch the wheel between opposing brake shoes, develop more braking power per axle, a consideration when running full trains of these heavy (for the time) cars.

 Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 09:49 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
I noticed that Eric, and I first thought that those must be replacement trucks.  The sideframes look much more modern than 1922, but outside hung on a truck with those sideframes seems very odd.
These cars had clasp brakes, that is, brake shoes on both sides of the wheel, similar to passenger cars. The big B&LE hoppers built about fifteen years later had them also. Clasp brakes, which pinch the wheel between opposing brake shoes, develop more braking power per axle, a consideration when running full trains of these heavy (for the time) cars.

 Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

mopacfirst
 

So the three-rail track in the photo might be the former South Park main line.  These views are looking northwest.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Corey Bonsall
 

Hi Everyone,

In researching the 3D prints of these cars, one of the locations for information I was able to find freely is the June 1922 Railway Review on Google Books, that has an article on these very cars when "new".  I'll see if I can link it here:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Railway_Review/DCY-AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=railway%20review%20june%201922&pg=PA841&printsec=frontcover

Scroll to pages 841 - 844

Or if this works:  https://books.google.com/books/content?id=DCY-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA841&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&bul=1&sig=ACfU3U3havnuR6b67YZYnijcOgYQ8HYnQQ&ci=17%2C894%2C951%2C409&edge=0

Hope you find that interesting!

Corey Bonsall


Re: Photo: Lumber Transfer Between Standard Gauge & Narrow Gauge Cars (1949)

Eric Hansmann
 

The B&O gondola looks like a member of the O-27 class, or subclasses, of mill gondolas.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lumber Transfer Between Standard Gauge & Narrow Gauge Cars (1949)

 

Photo: Lumber Transfer Between Standard Gauge & Narrow Gauge Cars (1949)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81331/rec/93

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Description:

Railroad workers use a fixed gantry crane to transfer stacks of lumber between narrow gauge flat cars, and a standard gauge gondola car in the railroad yard at Alamosa (Alamosa County), Colorado. Cables are used to hoist the bundled lumber between Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad cars.

The standard gauge car is a B&O gondola but the car number is not clear.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Andy Carlson
 

Good morning, everybody!

70-ton trucks. The EJ&E had some ASF A3 70-ton trucks with outside clast brakes on some cars. A survivor is at the Fillmore & Western RR in Ventura County, just a 100 miles or so West of LA. It had its outside brakes removed at some point. It may even be a spring-plank truck.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 9:50:00 AM PST, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


I noticed that Eric, and I first thought that those must be replacement trucks.  The sideframes look much more modern than 1922, but outside hung on a truck with those sideframes seems very odd.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Interesting trucks, too. The outside-hung brake beam was uncommon on freight cars by the time these were built in 1923.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

Steve SANDIFER
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

 

Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/34173/rec/432

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Several other freight cars also pictured.

Description:

View of Griffin Wheel Company plant in Denver, Colorado; shows industrial, factory, and warehouse buildings, a brick smokestack, railroad cars, a horse-drawn freight wagon, and stacked machine parts.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I noticed that Eric, and I first thought that those must be replacement trucks.  The sideframes look much more modern than 1922, but outside hung on a truck with those sideframes seems very odd.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Interesting trucks, too. The outside-hung brake beam was uncommon on freight cars by the time these were built in 1923.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Claus,

 

D&RGW 70000-70699 were indeed built in 1922 by Western Steel Car & Foundry. These were GS cars with an inside length of 46' and a capacity of 70 tons, making them something like monsters in their time. Their primary assignments were coal service, with some later bumped to limestone service on the regauged Monarch Branch.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

I think I see the date built, stencilled under the billboard letters "RIO".

 

It might read BLT 4-1922, but it is somewhat blurry.

 

Anyone know DRGW rolling stock well enough to say if I am reading this correctly?

 

TIA

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:03 AM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81310/rec/333

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Description:

A Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad standard gauge gondola car #70298 is loaded with sugar beets in Monte Vista (Rio Grande County), Colorado. A man stands on the sugar beet loader, beside a conveyor.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Lumber Transfer Between Standard Gauge & Narrow Gauge Cars (1949)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Lumber Transfer Between Standard Gauge & Narrow Gauge Cars (1949)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81331/rec/93

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Description:

Railroad workers use a fixed gantry crane to transfer stacks of lumber between narrow gauge flat cars, and a standard gauge gondola car in the railroad yard at Alamosa (Alamosa County), Colorado. Cables are used to hoist the bundled lumber between Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad cars.

The standard gauge car is a B&O gondola but the car number is not clear.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Eric Hansmann
 

Interesting trucks, too. The outside-hung brake beam was uncommon on freight cars by the time these were built in 1923.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Claus,

 

D&RGW 70000-70699 were indeed built in 1922 by Western Steel Car & Foundry. These were GS cars with an inside length of 46' and a capacity of 70 tons, making them something like monsters in their time. Their primary assignments were coal service, with some later bumped to limestone service on the regauged Monarch Branch.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

I think I see the date built, stencilled under the billboard letters "RIO".

 

It might read BLT 4-1922, but it is somewhat blurry.

 

Anyone know DRGW rolling stock well enough to say if I am reading this correctly?

 

TIA

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:03 AM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81310/rec/333

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Description:

A Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad standard gauge gondola car #70298 is loaded with sugar beets in Monte Vista (Rio Grande County), Colorado. A man stands on the sugar beet loader, beside a conveyor.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

Richard Townsend
 

Griffin Wheel was located on the south side of Denver on the C&S west side line at W. Evans Ave and S. Osage St.


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Claus,

D&RGW 70000-70699 were indeed built in 1922 by Western Steel Car & Foundry. These were GS cars with an inside length of 46' and a capacity of 70 tons, making them something like monsters in their time. Their primary assignments were coal service, with some later bumped to limestone service on the regauged Monarch Branch.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I think I see the date built, stencilled under the billboard letters "RIO".
 
It might read BLT 4-1922, but it is somewhat blurry.
 
Anyone know DRGW rolling stock well enough to say if I am reading this correctly?
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:03 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81310/rec/333

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Description:

A Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad standard gauge gondola car #70298 is loaded with sugar beets in Monte Vista (Rio Grande County), Colorado. A man stands on the sugar beet loader, beside a conveyor.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

Louis Adler
 

Never mind .... just realized who the railroad became.  Lou Adler


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

Louis Adler
 

What a great name for a RR.   I wonder who absorbed the CRI&T.

Lou Adler


Re: SLSF 53395

 

You guys are quite welcome. I mentioned to Eric, I have a few undecorateds in my stash too, and this one fills a need for me too.

Rich Christie


Re: SLSF 53395

Bill Keene
 

Thank you Rich for the for the SLSF 53395 class info. Modeling one of these cars will be on my future fleet modeling list. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA


On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


According to the RPI site:

  • In 1928-'29, the Frisco built more USRA-clones, in the 53100-53346 series (1928) and 53350-53647 series (1929), with Dreadnaught ends from Union Metal Products, Ajax hand brakes, and Bettendorf trucks. In 1949, the series was listed as 53100-53647 series, 491 cars.

Rich Christie


Re: Photo: Chicago, Rock Island & Texas Boxcar 150108/PRR Boxcar 95491 (Undated)

mopacfirst
 

I did a fairly cursory search to find where Griffin Wheel Denver was located, and didn't come up with an answer.  There is a three-rail track in the foreground.

Ron Merrick

14241 - 14260 of 194714