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7-panel 6' Superior doors with even spacing for 10'0" IH

Andy Carlson
 

The IMWX/Red Caboose '37 AAR kits came with both Superior and Youngstown doors. You do not need to look too closely to see that these YSDs do not match very well. Apparently the CNC machine's cutting tool for the YSD's ribs broke during the door's tooling operation but the machine just kept on trucking. (The difference is that the ribs are almost square in cross section. I never paid attention to this until 25+ years ago when I was kitbashing a Youngstown door from IMWX parts and when the sections were brought together, oh my! Taught me to use the exact same donor part in these kind of kit bashings in the future.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 3:22:42 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Al Brown wrote:

There's a photo of CGW 91014 in RP CYC 35, p 224, and it too has seven-panel doors.

    Thanks, Al. The sound you just heard was the heel of my hand denting my forehead -- I was just browsing in that RP Cyc this morning but didn't happen onto that photo -- nor did I think to look. Sigh. But thanks again.,

Tony Thompson


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Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Steve Wolcott
 

I made a master for a beet load using short-grain rice.  That's for S-scale, probably too big for HO. https://www.pre-size.com/products/SscaleCar_Loads.php   The same could be done with anise seed in HO.  Make a master and cast the loads with resin.  Then get the seed/rice out of the train room.
Steve Wolcott


Re: 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, even then, Tony, the majority of the men who noticed the change were the crews in the cars installing the lining.

 

But weren’t the linings installed at the carbuilder’s shops?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

 

Clark Propst wrote:



I’m guessing the RRs never even noticed? Because it didn’t effect the Cu ft, or tonnage, etc.

 

    Well, any work on the car lining, they sure noticed. The W corner post made the furring for lining boards much more convenient.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Douglas Harding
 

I have been using Anise seeds for sugar beet loads. I cut a piece of foam to fit the car, paint it dark brown. Then coat with glue and sprinkle anise seed. A second application of anise covers areas missed the first time.

 

I have no issues or problems with undesirables. My wife puts out small caps of vinegar which keeps the spiders away. And our four legged pets keep the mice away.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 1:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

 

Some modelers have used anise seeds for sugar beets. Anise seeds are used as a spice.

Photo:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0053/1247/9325/products/aniseseeds.jpg?v=1587829018

I have no idea if mice prefer these seeds.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

Tony Thompson
 

Clark Propst wrote:

I’m guessing the RRs never even noticed? Because it didn’t effect the Cu ft, or tonnage, etc.

    Well, any work on the car lining, they sure noticed. The W corner post made the furring for lining boards much more convenient.

Tony Thompson




Re: 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

Clark Propst
 

I’m guessing the RRs never even noticed? Because it didn’t effect the Cu ft, or tonnage, etc.

Clark Propst

 

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Re: Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

Tony Thompson
 

Al Brown wrote:

There's a photo of CGW 91014 in RP CYC 35, p 224, and it too has seven-panel doors.

    Thanks, Al. The sound you just heard was the heel of my hand denting my forehead -- I was just browsing in that RP Cyc this morning but didn't happen onto that photo -- nor did I think to look. Sigh. But thanks again.,

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

That CB&Q boxcar is wearing some great chalk marks!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/16921/rec/6

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Wreck in Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

al_brown03
 

There's a photo of CGW 91014 in RP CYC 35, p 224, and it too has seven-panel doors.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/77031/rec/262


       I note the CGW box car has panel doors. Was this also true of the preceding (1944) cars, CGW 91000-91099?

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Loading Peanuts (Undated)

Patrick Wade
 

Interesting to note the wires on the insulators under the platform cover. Have never seen this before.

Pat Wade
Sant Barbara, CA

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 1:37 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Loading Peanuts (Undated)

A photo from the Norfolk Southern Corporation:

https://tinyurl.com/y8vbxxbr

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/16921/rec/6

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Wreck in Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago Great Western Boxcar 92127 (1946)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/77031/rec/262

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Loading Peanuts (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Peanuts (Undated)

A photo from the Norfolk Southern Corporation:

https://tinyurl.com/y8vbxxbr

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

The ends were a proprietary product (also patented) so when the Standard Railway Equipment Co. changed the way the ends were to attach, everybody else, railroad and carbuilder alike, had to modify their designs. Any blurring of the actual date of change likely traces back to when exactly the contracts were signed, when the ends were ordered, etc. This is really a good example of the railroad engineering departments losing ultimate control of the design process to the vendors, a trend that would only accelerate. This same thing is very evident after the war, when SRECo. changed the designs of both the pressing pattern in the ends and also the roof. The parts were functionally interchangeable, so the change happened literally overnight.

     Perfectly stated answer to an unobvious question. Thanks, Dennis.

Tony Thompson




Re: Two boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

     Both cars are beautiful results, Rich. Nice use of upgraded details to improve the look, and nice light weathering. I'm impressed.

Tony Thompson




Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Bob Chaparro
 

Some modelers have used anise seeds for sugar beets. Anise seeds are used as a spice.

Photo:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0053/1247/9325/products/aniseseeds.jpg?v=1587829018

I have no idea if mice prefer these seeds.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Two boxcars

Matt Goodman
 

Nice job on the wheel color - black with a bit of sheen to suggest oil. Rail color looks good as well.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

On Dec 30, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,
 
I have been trying to clear off my workbench by finishing various freight car projects by the end of the year.  I just finished two boxcars.
 
CNW 107734 is a riveted side PS-1 boxcar.  It was built from an Intermountain 10’ 6” boxcar kit.  Intermountain 4044-02 Youngstown doors, 40' PS-1 roof w/ end panels removed, 50' PS-1 ends, and 40' PS-1 detail sprue were used.  I added a Red Caboose AAR underframe, Kato ASF A3 trucks with ReBoxx 20950 wheelsets, Kadee 158 couplers, 2002 roofwalk, 2252 side grab irons,and 2024 Equipco brake wheel; DA BW6401 Equipco housing and FC6213 door handles; Tichy brake levers, HiTech Details 6040 air hoses and brackets, Archer AR88025 rivets, Speedwitch D197 decals, and Speedwitch chalk mark decals.  I painted the car with Tru-Color TCP-010 Black and TCP-183 C&NW 1944-60's Freight Car Brown after priming with Tamiya Fine Surface primer.  Weathering was done with Pan Pastel Paynes Grey Extra Dark and Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.
 
SP 82765 is a class B-50-21 1937 AAR boxcar.  It started as an IMWX kit.  The underframe was detailed with a Westerfield AB brake valve, Cal Scale dust collector, and Yarmouth brake levers.  Other details include Kadee 2251 side grabs, 2016 gypsum running board, 158 couplers, 441 brake pads, & 2021 Equico brake wheel.  From Yarmouth I used 507 cut lever brackets and 201 stirrup steps.  I used Accurail Bettendorf trucks with IM 0.088" wheelsets.  Other details included DA BW6401 Equipco brake housing and SY2210 chain, Plano 132 Gypsum brake platform, HiTech Details 6040 air hoses and brackets, Tangent TSM203 coupler lift bars, and Tichy 3021 grab irons.  The original plan was to use the factory lettering, but I wanted to model a car repainted with the Southern Pacific spelled out.  I removed the lettering on the left side of the cars and repainted with ScaleCoat Boxcar Red and used Speedwitch and Sunshine Models decals.  Weathering was done with Pan Pastel Neutral Grey Extra Dark and Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  I used Speedwitch chalk mark decals.  Special thanks to Tony Thompson for answering questions so I could get the details right.
 
By tomorrow I should have the last freight car on the workbench done so I can start a new set of projects.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 1937 AAR boxcars: Dreadnaught corner posts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 07:21 PM, irv_thomae wrote:
Rapid changes were not exactly common in prewar railroad engineering practice.  Does anyone happen to know why this transition, from square corner posts to the 'W' type, happened to quickly? 

The ends were a proprietary product (also patented) so when the Standard Railway Equipment Co. changed the way the ends were to attach, everybody else, railroad and carbuilder alike, had to modify their designs. Any blurring of the actual date of change likely traces back to when exactly the contracts were signed, when the ends were ordered, etc. This is really a good example of the railroad engineering departments losing ultimate control of the design process to the vendors, a trend that would only accelerate. This same thing is very evident after the war, when SRECo. changed the designs of both the pressing pattern in the ends and also the roof. The parts were functionally interchangeable, so the change happened literally overnight.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Two boxcars

Bill J.
 

"Guess" they're "ok" if you like superb craftsmanship and excellent colouring and weathering.

Especially the weathering with chalking paint and subtle streaks.

reallyREALLY nice work, Rich!

Bill Jolitz

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