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Re: Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

mel perry
 

it appears that the cross braces on the
front tank have been disconnected, 
lacking any data on the cars themselves,
agree that they are in a scrap line
;-)
mel perry

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 3:24 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends,

In October 1956 Speas Company operated 11 vinegar tank cars. SVMX 1 was an 8K gallon TM car, while the rest were 9K gallon TW cars numbered 121-130. The reporting address for these cars was a Speas Company office in Kansas City, Missouri.

Given that both cars in this photo have their car numbers obliterated, I would suggest they were awaiting scrapping. Note that the car closest to the camera has an additional horizontal brace on the right-hand tank which is missing from the left tank.

Wikipedia has a short page on Speas Company at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speas_Vinegar_Company . It is mostly about a factory building in Charlotte, North Carolina (now a brewery). I also found a photo of their KC plant at https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A103787 . A search on "Speas Company" on that page turned up a whole bunch of other photos of the plant, but sadly no other tank car photos. A google image search found a photo of a Speas plant in Paris, Texas, but it requires a Facebook log-in and I'm not a member.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 10:11 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67531/rec/70

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Not much information on the Speas Company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speas_Vinegar_Company

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

In October 1956 Speas Company operated 11 vinegar tank cars. SVMX 1 was an 8K gallon TM car, while the rest were 9K gallon TW cars numbered 121-130. The reporting address for these cars was a Speas Company office in Kansas City, Missouri.

Given that both cars in this photo have their car numbers obliterated, I would suggest they were awaiting scrapping. Note that the car closest to the camera has an additional horizontal brace on the right-hand tank which is missing from the left tank.

Wikipedia has a short page on Speas Company at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speas_Vinegar_Company . It is mostly about a factory building in Charlotte, North Carolina (now a brewery). I also found a photo of their KC plant at https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A103787 . A search on "Speas Company" on that page turned up a whole bunch of other photos of the plant, but sadly no other tank car photos. A google image search found a photo of a Speas plant in Paris, Texas, but it requires a Facebook log-in and I'm not a member.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 10:11 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67531/rec/70

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Not much information on the Speas Company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speas_Vinegar_Company

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

Ken Vandevoort <apo09324@...>
 

I worked at my uncle's grocery store while a high school student in the early 60's.  We sold Speas Vinegar.  We also had bulk vinegar (apple cider and distilled white) in barrels for those that brought their own containers.  The concrete floor under the pumps was eroded almost to the steel decking.  That would explain why the car tanks are wood.

Ken Vandevoort
New London, IA


Re: Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

Richard Brennan
 

Possibly a Pintsch gas tank car?
It sure isn't Helium!!!

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 07:09 PM 1/1/2021, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)
A photo from the Denver Public Library:
<https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/60338/rec/17>https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/60338/rec/17

Appears to load/unload from the car's end.
Built 1919.
Inflammable stencil.


Re: Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2021-01-01 22:09, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/60338/rec/17

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Appears to load/unload from the car's end.

Built 1919.

Inflammable stencil.

I don't have any particular information on this car, but based upon the visible stencilled built date of 11/15 on the flat car itself, the most likely source was a CN 651264-651459 series flat car, originally built for the Canadian Government Railways as CGR 26000-26199. I see the "1/19" stencilled on the tank itself, which does provide a possible conversion date – given the unusual design of the tank, I'm inclined to think that it was specially built for this use, although one cannot rule out the possibility that it had been recycled from another use. The most recent reweigh is stencilled as "HQ 12/35", which translates to CN's Pointe St. Charles shops in Montreal.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


 


Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67531/rec/70

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Not much information on the Speas Company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speas_Vinegar_Company

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/60338/rec/17

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Appears to load/unload from the car's end.

Built 1919.

Inflammable stencil.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

Thomas Evans
 

There was a great wooden above-ground penstock outside of Marshfield VT providing water for a small hydro-electric plant in the valley from a pond up on the hill some distance away.
It was quite large, maybe 6 or 8' in diameter and was especially impressive in the winter with giant icicles protruding from all the leaks.
Unfortunately it is gone now, replaced by something modern.

Tom E.


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Steve SANDIFER
 

This is (was) a Santa Fe FE-K I found in Howard, Kansas, back in 2011. It is no longer there. It was one of 500 from AC&F built in 1909. Yes, that it the original end door.  Original number 8868.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

 

Hi Keith,

 

Very nice photo.  I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve seen a wood sheathed boxcar with end doors, or any boxcar with end doors as early as 1914.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

 

From: Keith Retterer

Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:16 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

 

This is what it looked like when built in 1914.


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Keith,
 
Very nice photo.  I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve seen a wood sheathed boxcar with end doors, or any boxcar with end doors as early as 1914.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Keith Retterer
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)
 
This is what it looked like when built in 1914.


Re: MEC Rebuilt ARA boxcar - Speedwitch Kit

Paul Bizier
 

Jim:

Thanks - very helpful. This will let me get the underframe detailed and wrap up this kit!

Paul Bizier


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

boro2ang
 

The previous post didn't have a photo attached.

Bryan Borovec


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

boro2ang
 
Edited

As part of my business, I supply a lot of Creosote treated timber, typically for Railroad use but for foundation piling as well.
In Washington State, Creosote piling is no longer permitted in Marine Waters, instead ACZA or Ammoniacal Copper Zinc Arsenate (Chemonite) is specified, if wood rather than steel.
The color of Creosote will vary.
Straight Creosote will be darker, nearly black 
If in solution which means a 50/50 blend of Creosote and Petroleum, the wood will be a little more brown.
See image.

Bryan Borovec 


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Keith Retterer
 

This is what it looked like when built in 1914.


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

Matt Goodman
 

Interesting information, William. Thanks. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On Jan 1, 2021, at 12:04 PM, William Jensen-Frisk <wcjfrisk@...> wrote:

     Another use for the treated pipe could have been for penstocks (water supply) for water powered mills. In the Toledo, Ohio area I have seen Sanborn maps for mills along the Maumee River with the penstocks marked as being made of wood. Keeping a mill going with inexpensive water power would have been practical through the Great Depression. Before large power grids were established post WWII, it was also common for factories to have a large diesel engine generator set if the factory was electric. Some line shafted factories survived into the 1970's. After WWII electric companies offered low industrial power rates to get a big enough power usage to justify nuclear power plants, which were hoped to provide really cheap power. As part of the electric discount program the power company would supervise the destruction of the water turbines or other engine powered generators. 
    It had been cheaper to have workers tend factory electric plants than buy commercially generated power in many cases through the 1940's. Heavy electric usage, like electroplating, often had their own power plants to avoid expensive electric peak charges. 
    A penstock would lead from a water supply, like a canal, to a mill located 10 to 50 feet below the high point with a water outfall into a river or another canal. During WWI one of the Niagara Falls power stations had another penstock built of wood as a wood lined  tunnel to increase capacity without using steel or concrete. It ceased to be used after WWII. The creasoted pipes could have been replacements for a water powered mill with old penstocks. I toured a textile mill in St Catherines Ontario that made athletic jersey material that still had a water powered turbine. W Frisk


Re: MEC Rebuilt ARA boxcar - Speedwitch Kit

James Brewer
 

Paul,

I pulled this kit from my stash (stockpile is more like it) to look at the instructions, which consist of 4 double sided sheets. I've attached a scan of the third page for you; note on the second photo from the top, left hand side, the location of the reservoir and AB valve are shown in black silhouette; It appears these components are located on the MEC car in the space under the door.  Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

 

For those wanting the full resolution photo:

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15330coll22&CISOPTR=16921&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=7000&DMHEIGHT=600081

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:41 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

 

Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/16921/rec/6

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Wreck in Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Charging Ladles on flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 


I have photos of single ladle loads of different types. But every once in a great while you might
see something like this photo shows! :-D


On 12/22/2020 2:13 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-321/lightbox/

 

Group;

 

I went back into my photos, and yes, these are charging ladles.  From their size, they are for a full-size steel-making facility.  My guess is USS Gary Works.

 

They do appear to have those cross tie-downs that make good modeling.

 

These are not the ladles you’d see in an open hearth complex, but more likely an electric arc or basic oxygen process (BOP) shop, due to the need to charge the furnace direct from these large ladles.

 

I do not see refractory in the ladles (also a great freight car load), so they can’t be modeled with some of the steel hobby models that already have it installed.

 

Why no one does a ladle load like this is beyond me.  These are a MUST for anyone modeling a RR or branch serving a steel mill.

 

Elden Gatwood



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


New year - new eBay listings

Clark Propst
 


Re: Photo: Loading Treated Water Pipe (1935)

William Jensen-Frisk
 

     Another use for the treated pipe could have been for penstocks (water supply) for water powered mills. In the Toledo, Ohio area I have seen Sanborn maps for mills along the Maumee River with the penstocks marked as being made of wood. Keeping a mill going with inexpensive water power would have been practical through the Great Depression. Before large power grids were established post WWII, it was also common for factories to have a large diesel engine generator set if the factory was electric. Some line shafted factories survived into the 1970's. After WWII electric companies offered low industrial power rates to get a big enough power usage to justify nuclear power plants, which were hoped to provide really cheap power. As part of the electric discount program the power company would supervise the destruction of the water turbines or other engine powered generators. 
    It had been cheaper to have workers tend factory electric plants than buy commercially generated power in many cases through the 1940's. Heavy electric usage, like electroplating, often had their own power plants to avoid expensive electric peak charges. 
    A penstock would lead from a water supply, like a canal, to a mill located 10 to 50 feet below the high point with a water outfall into a river or another canal. During WWI one of the Niagara Falls power stations had another penstock built of wood as a wood lined  tunnel to increase capacity without using steel or concrete. It ceased to be used after WWII. The creasoted pipes could have been replacements for a water powered mill with old penstocks. I toured a textile mill in St Catherines Ontario that made athletic jersey material that still had a water powered turbine. W Frisk

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