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Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

Dave Parker
 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 01:05 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
I call these trucks the "long strap" Andrews, unlike the short-strap version used later, for example under USRA cars. (Referring to the steel strap that attaches to the journal boxes.) The earlier trucks are L-section sideframes too, unlike the later U-section frames. Kadee makes an L-section long-strap Andrews.
While there is nothing wrong withe the descriptors "long start" and "short strap", I am not aware of any real basis for saying that one came earlier than the other.  The earliest evidence that I can find for what we would all probably call an Andrews truck can be found in two patents from late in 1906; the granting dates are all of two weeks apart.  US 838319 was awarded to J. Green on behalf of the short-lived Andrews & Co, and had the short strap.  US 837047 was awarded to a Mr Floyd on behalf of ASF, and had the long.  BTW, both had T-section frames, not L-section (if I am reading the drawings correctly).

By the time we get to the 1912 CBC, I count eight truck designs that are Andrews-like.  They seem to show a mix of long and short (and maybe one medium?) tie-bars.  They also have a mix of T- and L-section frames, but two have what I am tempted to call a hybrid design where the top chord is a U-section.  I have seen some examples of these "mixed chord type" trucks in prototype photos.

Last factoid:  The ASF drawing of their Vulcan truck calls it an Andrews without tie-bars.  The marketing as a Vulcan truck first appears in the 1916 edition of the CBC.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Scott
 

Neat photo!  I wonder if that is some kind of uranium ore from Durango heading up to Grand Junction for refinement.  Could be anything I suppose but they are are not going through all that for sand or gravel.  Maybe gold or silver concentrate I suppose.

Scott McDonald


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

Tony Thompson
 

I call these trucks the "long strap" Andrews, unlike the short-strap version used later, for example under USRA cars. (Referring to the steel strap that attaches to the journal boxes.) The earlier trucks are L-section sideframes too, unlike the later U-section frames. Kadee makes an L-section long-strap Andrews.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

Richard Townsend
 

Kadee has made similar trucks as well.


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Jerry Michels
 

There is no specific size limitation to sugar beets.  I hand harvested acres as a grad student working field research on sugar beet root maggot. All depends on if the farmer had a good year of sun and plenty of water. Largest I ever saw were about a foot long  Tapering slowly from a good foot at the top to the end of the root. By the way, raw sugar beet root has no sweet taste, pretty bland.  The leaves, though taste similar to chard.  Jerry Michels


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

looks good! I've never liked the idea of putting anything edible on the train table... Mice will eat
just about anything. Good looking resin beet loads would be great for HO scale :-)

   Such loads were indeed offered by Chooch, and often show up on eBay. I think they are pretty good.

Tony Thompson




Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Tony Thompson
 

     Almost all natural or seed products are too regular to model real sugar beets, which are, as someone said, carrots on steroids. They are strongly conical and quite variable in size. To see a good prototype photo, you may consult one of my blog posts (link below).


For S scale, I think fenugreek could work -- it is a quite irregular natural product -- but really too large for HO scale. I have tried it, and the color and shapes are pretty good, but really too big. I showed my fenugreek load in a blog post, though I really am happier with the old Chooch resin loads. (The latter are discussed in the blog post above). Here is the link to the fenugreek post:


The real "roots" (as SP crews called them) are dirty as well as irregular shapes, and I think modeling them really well is a definite challenge.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
In cold areas with harsh winters railroads often used some type of switch heater apparatus to keep snow and ice from impairing the movement of switches, especially switches that are thrown remotely.
 
Today switch heaters are often powered with electricity, but in the past some type of combustible gas was often used. I recall when I was young that PC used combustible gas to heat switches in winter the Harrison NJ area for the Newark NJ station approach tracks.
 
Perhaps this is a combustible gas delivery system for such a purpose? These cars might be used to refill storage gas containers in remote locations, or the cars might just simply be parked and connected up to a gas pipe system, with the car being replaced with a fresh one when the gas runs low?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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On 2021-01-01 22:09, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: CN Gas Tank Car 51860 (1937)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/60338/rec/17

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Appears to load/unload from the car's end.

Built 1919.

Inflammable stencil.

I don't have any particular information on this car, but based upon the visible stencilled built date of 11/15 on the flat car itself, the most likely source was a CN 651264-651459 series flat car, originally built for the Canadian Government Railways as CGR 26000-26199. I see the "1/19" stencilled on the tank itself, which does provide a possible conversion date – given the unusual design of the tank, I'm inclined to think that it was specially built for this use, although one cannot rule out the possibility that it had been recycled from another use. The most recent reweigh is stencilled as "HQ 12/35", which translates to CN's Pointe St. Charles shops in Montreal.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


 


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

Dave Parker
 

I agree with what David said -- nothing out of the ordinary for the period.

That said, there must be at least six variations of the early Andrews truck in the 1912 CBC.  Although ASF was the company that marketed them as "Andrews" trucks, there were similar designs from quite a few companies.

The closest visual match in the 1912 Cyc seems to be in Fig 921, but exactly who made it is not stated.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dave,
 
the NPRHA has Tahoe-made trucks available which are very close:
 
http://store.nprha.org/ho-scale-nprha-special-edition-40-ton-t-section-andrews-trucks-semi-scale-wheels/
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Those are rather interesting trucks on that tank car. Anyone know the manufacturer?

 

Dave Lawler

 

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Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

David
 

They look like typical L-section Andrews-style trucks. Nothing unusual there for a car built in 1910.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

Dave Lawler
 

Those are rather interesting trucks on that tank car. Anyone know the manufacturer?

 

Dave Lawler

 

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Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Richard Townsend
 

And not just any Murphy end on that SSW car. It looks like a 7/2/7. I've never seen an end like that. Or maybe it's even a 7/1/1/7 end.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Lots of interesting stuff in this photo including the hand transfer from the narrow gauge gon to a standard gauge one.  Several oil jobbers.  NSC end on the CN boxcar, Murphy end on the SSW boxcar, etc.
 
This is one to savor.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile
 
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)
 
Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)
A photo from the Denver Public Library:
Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image to get a good view of the gondola.
Taken at Montrose, Colorado.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Andy and List Members,
 
Having cast one-body cars in N scale myself, I can say your late friend did a nice job of it!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)

For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:













Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

earlyrail
 

End door cars were built early
St Paul Road (CM&StP) Racine Wagon cars built in 1884
and others
Howard Garner


Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)

Andy Carlson
 

For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013

On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:


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Re: Photo: C&NW Tank Car 6093 (1947)

Bill Parks
 

Was this used for spraying weeds along the right of way?

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Lots of interesting stuff in this photo including the hand transfer from the narrow gauge gon to a standard gauge one.  Several oil jobbers.  NSC end on the CN boxcar, Murphy end on the SSW boxcar, etc.

 

This is one to savor.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 12:08 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81323/rec/349

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image to get a good view of the gondola.

Taken at Montrose, Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

 

That’s a heck of a grade. LOL!

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

 

Photo: Texaco Three-Compartment Tank Car 271 (1936)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67550/rec/75

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Single-rivet course.

Built 1911.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81323/rec/349

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image to get a good view of the gondola.

Taken at Montrose, Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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