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Re: T-Section Trucks

Tony Thompson
 

I agree, the old Kadde truck springs look poor. 

   Remember, a view block with a small rectangle of black paper or plastic behind the springs hugely improves the look of the Kadee spring area.

Tony Thompson




Re: NP 5418

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

It looks really good.


Paul Doggett.     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 3 Jan 2021, at 18:48, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Yesterday I completed NP 5418, a 50’ single sheath auto boxcar built from a Speedwitch kit.  I adding Intermountain 0.088” wheelsets to the TMW Dalman trucks, Kadee #178 coupers, and HiTech Details 6038 air hoses.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown.

 

Weathering was done by coloring random boards with Prismacolor 30% warm grey, terra cotta, light umber, Tuscan red, and sienna brown colored pencils.  Pan Pastel Permanent Red Extra Dark was used to tone down the lettering and colored pencils, followed by Pan Pastel black for weathering.  Speedwitch chalk mark decals were used, along with Polly Scale Grimy Black on the wheel faces and Polly Scale Rust on the couplers and trucks.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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NP 5418

Richard Remiarz
 

Yesterday I completed NP 5418, a 50’ single sheath auto boxcar built from a Speedwitch kit.  I adding Intermountain 0.088” wheelsets to the TMW Dalman trucks, Kadee #178 coupers, and HiTech Details 6038 air hoses.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown.

 

Weathering was done by coloring random boards with Prismacolor 30% warm grey, terra cotta, light umber, Tuscan red, and sienna brown colored pencils.  Pan Pastel Permanent Red Extra Dark was used to tone down the lettering and colored pencils, followed by Pan Pastel black for weathering.  Speedwitch chalk mark decals were used, along with Polly Scale Grimy Black on the wheel faces and Polly Scale Rust on the couplers and trucks.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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Re: T-Section Trucks

Allan Smith
 


Walthers 933-1009 in the 2014 catalog. I have two sets of old Walthers 933-1003. 


Al Smith Sonora CA

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 10:37:46 AM PST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


Kadee now has these in their HGC solid side frames.

 

#1572 HO Scale Bettendorf T-Section Self Centering Trucks with 33 Ribbed Back Code 88 Semi-Scale Wheels - HGC [1572] - $10.55 : Kadee, The Coupler People

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] T-Section Trucks

 

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: T-Section Trucks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] T-Section Trucks

 

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: T-Section Trucks

Nelson Moyer
 

Try Walthers 920-2007.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] T-Section Trucks

 

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: T-Section Trucks

Steve Summers
 

I agree, the old Kadde truck springs look poor. Kadee makes a HGC (high gravity compound) version of this truck where the springs are solid, # 571 or 1571 with the semi scale wheels.  They look much better and are heavier.  Not perfect by any stretch but far better than the originals.


On Jan 3, 2021, at 1:27 PM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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T-Section Trucks

radiodial868
 

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I recall seeing such CB&Q cars in (probably) company service during the late 1950s and maybe into the early 1960s.

Don’t recall the number series but it should be able to come up with them from the “Ownership, Age & Condition” rosters.

I model in N Scale and so far we don’t have any such cars to letter up.

Charlie Vlk

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Detailing for early tank cars

 

RE: High-platform tank cars

Note that anyone modeling a WW-II period “oil” tank car train could use a couple.

They weren’t many, but they did stand out in the pictures I have seen.

 

 


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Ken Akerboom


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

akerboomk
 

RE: sugar beets to 3D printer.

 

What I would do…

In 3D CAD, make one or 2 individual beets (probably a “profile” spline and a revolve would be enough?)

Then make a bunch scaled up/down (possibly non-uniform scale to get long-thin and short-fat ones as well as big & small)

Then make a “pile” (just a surface to use as a base) to fit your car (maybe 2 or 3 for “variety”)

Then (not sure how the “free” programs do this) start assembling various size beet models to the base. (this would be the hardest part)

“Fill in” underneath them (3D printing software may do this for you?)

Print away...

 

You may be able to scale the model (non-uniformly) to fit other cars.

 

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Detailing for early tank cars

akerboomk
 

RE: High-platform tank cars

Note that anyone modeling a WW-II period “oil” tank car train could use a couple.

They weren’t many, but they did stand out in the pictures I have seen.

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Clark Propst
 

I made a mistake writing my email address it’s cepropst@q’com

Clark Propst

 

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Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Ray,

I suspect this would need to be a labor of love. While some prototypes lasted into the 1940s, they were not common. Modelers with an earlier focus, like me and several others, could use more high walkway tank cars. Admittedly, we are a pretty small market for this type of detail product.

What would be useful is a metal etching production house that follows the Shapeways model. But again, it's a small market for even those details. Just my thoughts.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/03/2021 6:04 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


Given all of the very good recent photographs of tank cars, I am wondering about the availability of detailing kits for these?  The usual models of these leave some things to be desired...

Ray Hutchison 
Green Bay WI


photo search [was Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)]

Andy Carlson
 

Tim,
This was not my picture--I simply copied and cropped it from the earlier post, focusing more on the narrow gauge gondola(s).

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 7:51:48 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Andy and all - I fed your photo of the men in the narrow guage gondola to two
different image search engines -

GOOGLE and YANDEX

The Google search was a complete failure. Google has no understanding of what is shown.
The "similar" photos it offered were goofy.

The Yandex search was amazing! It found all kinds of photos of gondolas and open
cars with various types of cargoes - It KNEW that the photo was of a railroad car,
of an open car, with people - and something else - inside the car. The offered match
photos spanned the 1930's to the present and most were black & white but some color
matches were found too!




On 1/2/2021 1:36 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

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Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 08:28 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
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I think Bill had a couple of test castings made. He had shared images of the masters and prototype in a couple of emails a year or two ago. IIRC, he wasn't quite satisfied and was going to add a couple more details.
I think Aaron was working with Bill on those patterns. It definitely wasn't me. Would be both a tribute to Bill and a gift to the hobby if those patterns could be completed by someone with Aaron's skill. 

Tom Madden
 


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I'll look for the Chooch loads.

I wonder if a realistic sugar beet load can be done in 3-D printing. How would one specify
a highly irregular 3-D image to a machine?



On 1/2/2021 3:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

looks good! I've never liked the idea of putting anything edible on the train table... Mice will eat
just about anything. Good looking resin beet loads would be great for HO scale :-)

   Such loads were indeed offered by Chooch, and often show up on eBay. I think they are pretty good.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


photo search [was Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)]

Tim O'Connor
 


Andy and all - I fed your photo of the men in the narrow guage gondola to two
different image search engines -

GOOGLE and YANDEX

The Google search was a complete failure. Google has no understanding of what is shown.
The "similar" photos it offered were goofy.

The Yandex search was amazing! It found all kinds of photos of gondolas and open
cars with various types of cargoes - It KNEW that the photo was of a railroad car,
of an open car, with people - and something else - inside the car. The offered match
photos spanned the 1930's to the present and most were black & white but some color
matches were found too!




On 1/2/2021 1:36 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Eric Hansmann
 

Hmmm. So it seems like you are telling us this is all Ted's fault your model took this long to complete. <wink>

Good job, Brian! Your model looks very nice. Much better than the two unbuilt kits of these in my stash, which I should probably sell.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/02/2021 8:14 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


It’s. Finally. Finished.
Probably my longest semi continuous build is finally done. I’ve posted about this before.

The never-ending model build - P&LE Rebuild
• Tichy kit originally purchased 15-18 years ago at Niagara Central Hobbies in
St. Catherines Ontario for $9.99 Canadian on clearance. (~2000-2003)
• Started the build shortly after Ted Culotta’s Essential Freight Cars article on these cars in the September 2004 RMC
• Order the P&LEHS magazine that had an article on these cars
• Broke/lost crossbearers during the build, replaced with similar evergreen
channel
• Didn’t like that there was no rivet detail on the sides of the ends. Ted harvested rivets for this, I tried but found it very tedious and difficult for me
to get a straight line.
• Kitbashed/modified the doors per the article, was never happy with them.
o Put the kit aside for the first time. (mid 2000’s)
• Archer surface decals released, Yeah! solved the rivet issue. (2014 ish)
• Order Speedwitch resin doors for the car. Misplaced the doors “someplace”on the workbench, never found.
o Put kit aside again (2014 ish)
• Speedwitch Media restocks resin doors for this car, order them again 2017-2018
• Pry off my first doors and clean up the body, install Speedwitch doors.
March 2018
• Install coupler lift bars and air hose brackets. April 2018
• Install shop trucks to bring the naked model to NERPM 18 because the Accurail Andrews trucks have disappeared, or more likely were installed on another project.
• Pack naked model for NERPM 5/30/18
Future… Prime and paint model, Letter with Speedwitch decals summer 18… I hope, but now that I look at the stirrup steps I may replace them
too….Maybe.

Well, paint and decaling finally happened in 2020, (Lt wt settled slightly, ugh) and I did replace the stirrups. Andrew’s trucks were purchased in November, I think. Bought a dozen so I have some for future work.

I’m sure I am not the only one with a project like this.
*Route cards still need to be added. I need to read Tony’s blogs again. All my cars are missing them.

Brian J. Carlson





Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Eric Hansmann
 

I think Bill had a couple of test castings made. He had shared images of the masters and prototype in a couple of emails a year or two ago. IIRC, he wasn't quite satisfied and was going to add a couple more details.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 01/03/2021 7:46 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


The Bill Welch auto box?  Anyone know how far Bill got with that proposed kit?
Clark Propst


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Eric Hansmann
 

Ron,

Pop that model into a Ziplock plastic bag and set it in your freezer overnight. That should weaken the CA bonds so you can remove detail. Of course, it will weaken all CA bonds but it's a step to consider.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/03/2021 7:12 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I built one as-is, sometime in the early 2000s.  At the time, I was happy to have a distinctive car that went together in slightly less time than an early Sunshine.  It's somewhere in one of the twenty car carriers that my freight cars now live in, awaiting transfer to the new railroad.  But clearly I missed something.  I'm sure I used the decals in the kit, too.

But, on the positive side, I too am fishing out cars that I set aside for some reason, or maybe for no reason, to at last get them finished and on the railroad.  Those are mostly Sunshine (note reference above).  I have a couple that I'm contemplating removing the roofs from, in one case because it's actually the wrong roof (T&P box) and in other cases the roof was not well done, sometimes because I didn't get it aligned right, and in one case because there is a much better one (C&NW, subject of a Shake-n-Take from a few years ago).

I thought about attacking the roof with a Dremel saw, as being less injurious to the car body than some kind of chemical attack on the cyanoacrylate cement.  If anybody has done this, I'd be interested to hear results.

Ron Merrick


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