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Re: 50' Mather stock cars

Douglas Harding
 

Steve are you referring to Mat Thompson’s presentation on Operations at his Swift Meat packing plant? I was not able to participate in the OpSig event, so I did not hear the question. I am familiar with Mat’s presentation and I know he does use some 50’ Mather cars that he kitbashed from the Lifelike PK2 models.

 

Regarding the 50’ Mather stockcars, you covered the basic information about the cars. I’m not sure I can add much more. Stan Radarowyche (sp) offered parts to kitbash two PK2 stockcars into a 50’ car. And I believe he published an article on how to do the kitbash. As these cars were created after my modeling era, I have not paid a lot of attention to them.

 

If I knew what was the question I might be able to help answer.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:07 PM
To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 50' Mather stock cars

 

I assume many of this group are on the OpSig group that discussed Live Stock Operations today. The question concerned the 50’ Mather stock cars.

 

Mather cars were generally leased cars. Beginning in 1952 Mather spliced together pairs of 40’ cars, retaining the doors of both cars, producing a 50’ stock car. Cars in that configuration were operated by the

NKP (Photo 42023 1966)

NYC (as NISX painted Jade Green in 1966). The NISX cars were frequently seen on the Q. Photo NISX 3169 Freight Cars - Lake States Railway Historical Association (lakestatesarchive.org) and Freight Cars - Lake States Railway Historical Association (lakestatesarchive.org)

CB&Q, 40 cars (50200-50239) for use in sheep and hog service which lasted until at least 1968.

Maybe Doug or someone else can add more details to this discussion.

 

For more info:

Burlington Bulletin, No. 25

Model Railroader, January, 1998

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Phil I assume you are asking about the Atlas wood 36’ wood meat reefer with 4 hinges. I believe it has been offered in a Swift p/l scheme. Atlas claims the wood meat reefer model is based upon a Cudahy reefer built circa 1925. This model was discussed at length when it was first produced as the details did not match any known prototype at the time. And no one had seen a photo of a Cudahy reefer that matched the model. Several years later I found a photo of a Cudahy reefer that is very close to the Atlas model, which I shared with Richard Hendrickson and he published in his Billboard Reefer book.

 

In the link you offered all the Swift reefers pictured are later steel reefers with a horizontal seam, from a single series of Swift reefers. Swift had a wide and diverse fleet of reefers. But I am not aware of any that matches the Atlas model exactly. Some of their wood reefers might be close. But not their steel reefers.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer

 

Is the Atlas 4-hinge reefer close to the Swift 4-hinge prototypes? I've compared the Atlas reefer (a CRLX prototype) to photos at the below link, and the bodies seem pretty close to me beyond differences in the underframe crossbearers and a thin "sub-fascia" underneath the white roof fascia. Of course I could have missed some major details. I'm wondering if any of you are aware of major dimensional differences in the Atlas and Swift prototypes or other differences beyond the ones I've seen.

Thanks,
Phil

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup/topic/swift_reefer_notes_door/60777034?20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,60777034


Re: MP boxcar color mix

Jerry Michels
 

Brain, check our mopac.org.  I think you can find good matches there.  Jerry Michels


Re: Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

Scott Kremer
 

It does help, thanks.  Because there are a number of photos of the tanks, etc and none of them show piping at the top of the tank I am going to assume that the piping is at ground or floor level and enters the tanks there.  Especially with outdoor tanks it may be that the piping was below ground to help prevent freezing.  Just a guess.

Scott

On Jan 3, 2021, at 9:51 PM, David Leider <sooauthor@...> wrote:

Scott,
I enjoy giving the clinics at the RPM's. I even have a few ready to go, whenever that is.
As far as a photo showing the piping, I do not have one in the book. But the diagram on page 94 sums up the process nicely, but does not show the piping. The top tank holds the pulp (Where the pulp comes from is explained on page 77). The liquid then goes to the fermentator on the next floor where it is converted to vinegar. The raw vinegar goes into the bottom tank. It is then piped into the holding tanks in the storage area to age. 
I hope this helps. 
David Leider


Re: Photo: Speas Company Vinegar Tank Car

David Leider
 

Scott,
I enjoy giving the clinics at the RPM's. I even have a few ready to go, whenever that is.
As far as a photo showing the piping, I do not have one in the book. But the diagram on page 94 sums up the process nicely, but does not show the piping. The top tank holds the pulp (Where the pulp comes from is explained on page 77). The liquid then goes to the fermentator on the next floor where it is converted to vinegar. The raw vinegar goes into the bottom tank. It is then piped into the holding tanks in the storage area to age. 
I hope this helps. 
David Leider


Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer

nyc3001 .
 

Is the Atlas 4-hinge reefer close to the Swift 4-hinge prototypes? I've compared the Atlas reefer (a CRLX prototype) to photos at the below link, and the bodies seem pretty close to me beyond differences in the underframe crossbearers and a thin "sub-fascia" underneath the white roof fascia. Of course I could have missed some major details. I'm wondering if any of you are aware of major dimensional differences in the Atlas and Swift prototypes or other differences beyond the ones I've seen.

Thanks,
Phil

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup/topic/swift_reefer_notes_door/60777034?20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,60777034


50' Mather stock cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I assume many of this group are on the OpSig group that discussed Live Stock Operations today. The question concerned the 50’ Mather stock cars.

 

Mather cars were generally leased cars. Beginning in 1952 Mather spliced together pairs of 40’ cars, retaining the doors of both cars, producing a 50’ stock car. Cars in that configuration were operated by the

NKP (Photo 42023 1966)

NYC (as NISX painted Jade Green in 1966). The NISX cars were frequently seen on the Q. Photo NISX 3169 Freight Cars - Lake States Railway Historical Association (lakestatesarchive.org) and Freight Cars - Lake States Railway Historical Association (lakestatesarchive.org)

CB&Q, 40 cars (50200-50239) for use in sheep and hog service which lasted until at least 1968.

Maybe Doug or someone else can add more details to this discussion.

 

For more info:

Burlington Bulletin, No. 25

Model Railroader, January, 1998

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Lester Breuer
 

Fine build Worth the long haul to get there.
Lester Breuer 


Re: MP boxcar color mix

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jan 3, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a good starting point for a 1950s Missouri Pacific box car color using Vallejo paint?

Brian,
I don’t have any Vallejo paints to help, but if you have any Branchline Trains MP 40’ box car models, they are spot-on matches to a 1956 Bowles Color Drift Card. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


MP boxcar color mix

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have a good starting point for a 1950s Missouri Pacific box car color using Vallejo paint?

Brian J. Carlson


Re: T-Section Trucks

radiodial868
 

Thanks for all the replies. Didn't know about the solid frame Kadee trucks.  Looks like they are the only viable game in town right now at $12/pair (ouch). I forgot about the Owl Mountain Flatcars, i even built 5 of them. Had me excited there for a minute but appears they are Red Caboose closeouts and Jason got them all. Looks like a Tahoe opportunity!

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: NP 5418

Kemal Mumcu
 

Great minds think alike eh?! I like your version of this car Rich. Nice to see the chalk marks.

Colin Meikle


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

Dave Parker
 

This has wandered pretty far off target but, yes, those drawings in the 1916 (also in the 1912) CBC are of the "B&M style" UF used on the majority (63%) of the B&M's shorty SUF XM and XA cars.

The cars actually built by Western Steel in 1908 were 40-t cars riding on Fox trucks, and had 10x12 KC hardware.  All the others, including the XA cars, were built by Laconia and were rated at 30 tons; thus the 8x12 cylinders.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)

lrkdbn
 

Re the B&M cars- the 1916 CBD figure.425 on,pg.384 shows the Western Stl Car underframe for these cars.
I'm not sure if this is exactly the same as the "B&M" underframe. Note these cars had 8x12 brake cylinders-
use the Grandt Line "narrow gauge" brake set!
Larry King


Re: NP 5418

Bill Keene
 

Wonderful work!

And a big THANK YOU for the weathering details. I presently have a couple of single sheathed box cars on the work bench and you have provided a good education in how to apply weathering detail.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 3, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Yesterday I completed NP 5418, a 50’ single sheath auto boxcar built from a Speedwitch kit.  I adding Intermountain 0.088” wheelsets to the TMW Dalman trucks, Kadee #178 coupers, and HiTech Details 6038 air hoses.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown.
 
Weathering was done by coloring random boards with Prismacolor 30% warm grey, terra cotta, light umber, Tuscan red, and sienna brown colored pencils.  Pan Pastel Permanent Red Extra Dark was used to tone down the lettering and colored pencils, followed by Pan Pastel black for weathering.  Speedwitch chalk mark decals were used, along with Polly Scale Grimy Black on the wheel faces and Polly Scale Rust on the couplers and trucks.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
 
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Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ken and Friends,

Ah, but some of these cars lasted a long time in company service. The Western Pacific still had AC&F 10K Type 7 cars until the very early 1980s. One still survives at the Western Railroad Museum. I've been hoping for a 10K Type 7 for years. I would even be satisfied with an AC&F 10K car with low walkways.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:00 PM akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...> wrote:

RE: High-platform tank cars

Note that anyone modeling a WW-II period “oil” tank car train could use a couple.

They weren’t many, but they did stand out in the pictures I have seen.

 

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: T-Section Trucks

Jake Schaible
 

Yes, Tony, there's MUCH I'd like to edit in my above!  

Re Owl Mt, Jason told me recently he had started looking into making his own HO Bettendorf T Section Truck, but was able to purchase "several hundred pairs of the
Red Caboose/IMRC" version, so hasn't advanced his own version yet. 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:07 PM vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
Hello friends,

what's with the Owl Mountain Models flat car truck?:

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/2000-series/OMM_f-50-in-stock.jpg

I do not have that model, but others on this list have built them. Hopefully the one or the other will say some words. At the picture these trucks look fine (to me), but I don't think they are available separately.

Many greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Photo: C&NW Tank Car 6093 (1947)

Bruce Smith
 

Ray,

Among others, the AC&F Type 7 (1907 design) and very early Type 11 (1911) cars were built as high walkway cars.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: C&NW Tank Car 6093 (1947)
 
I was going to ask, what group of tank cars, and what products, had this sort-of exterior scaffolding built around the tank?  An interesting modeling opportunity for sure!

Ray Hutchison


Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Bruce Smith
 

Ray,

When you say "early", what years do you mean? 

And "the usual models"... what does that mean?

There are excellent models out there of many pre-WWII tank cars that need no, or next to no embellishment, both in plastic and resin... far more than I have time to build right now, that's for sure! 

There are also quite a number of detail parts. The Owl Mountain safety valves have been mentioned, but others include the Precision brass hand rail stanchions, and bonnet (for pressurized cars), as well as brass outlets, etched brass platforms (Yarmouth)... so what are you looking for?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Detailing for early tank cars
 
Given all of the very good recent photographs of tank cars, I am wondering about the availability of detailing kits for these?  The usual models of these leave some things to be desired...

Ray Hutchison 
Green Bay WI


Re: NP 5418

James E Kubanick
 

Rich,

Nice looking car. I love those Speedwiitch kits. Always a fun and satisfying experience with a rewarding result! 

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 3:40:33 PM EST, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


Good looking car Rich!

 

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