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Re: Photo: Installing A New Deck On A Flat Car (Undated)

mopacfirst
 

You learn something every day from sites like this.  I'd never heard of a plow bolt before.

I looked these up and it turns out there is an American standard for them, ASME B18.9.  That means something to me, since I made my living from standards.  Of course, there are even more special versions made specially for heavy duty plows (think Caterpillar), but the regular flat head one as used for flatcar decking, and possibly other freight car uses, is shown here --

https://www.aftfasteners.com/plow-bolts-dimensions-technical-information/

For HO modeling purposes, it reduces to a round dot, as David said.  But at least now I know the reason that this is true.

Ron Merrick


Re: H.C. Frick Hoppers

Eric Hansmann
 

Bowser produced a GLa decorated for Frick. It’s about halfway down this page on the left.

https://www.bowser-trains.com/history/glahistory.html

 

it does not seem like they have produced the H21 with Frick lettering.

https://www.bowser-trains.com/history/h21history.html

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] H.C. Frick Hoppers

 

Hi Larry and List Members,

 

Larry asked: "Bowser produced an H.C. Frick GLC hopper car.  Did Frick indeed have hoppers and if so what happened to them"

 

Let's take this one step at a time...

 

(1) "Bowser produced an H.C. Frick GLC hopper car" - Larry, are you sure they produced a GLC? I thought they produced a GLa, in both HO and N scales... but I am an N scaler myself and so I don't thoroughly know their HO offerings.

 

(2) "Did Frick indeed have hoppers" - the answer is yes, they did. See attached image of a Frick hopper - the car in the image is a PRR class H21a clone. See also Feb 2002 RMJ paper page 23 for an image of PRR GLa design car HCF 4001, available at the link below...

 

 

(3) "what happened to them" - in the above RMJ article, Richard Burg writes: "...sold off the GLa fleet, probably to the PRR"

 

Hope this helps.

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Brian Rochon
 

The attached table was compiled by Ted Culotta and Ed Hawkins in 2017.  Includes many details of the prototypes.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

 

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:44 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

akerboomk
 

To find “old” Atlas stuff (in general)

From main page ( https://shop.atlasrr.com/ ):

-       Production -> Archive

-       Drop down scale (HO/N/O) -> pick type (“Trainman” vs. “Masters”, or as appropriate)

-       Scroll thru list to find car you are interested in, click on that link

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: H.C. Frick Hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Larry and List Members,
 
Larry asked: "Bowser produced an H.C. Frick GLC hopper car.  Did Frick indeed have hoppers and if so what happened to them"
 
Let's take this one step at a time...
 
(1) "Bowser produced an H.C. Frick GLC hopper car" - Larry, are you sure they produced a GLC? I thought they produced a GLa, in both HO and N scales... but I am an N scaler myself and so I don't thoroughly know their HO offerings.
 
(2) "Did Frick indeed have hoppers" - the answer is yes, they did. See attached image of a Frick hopper - the car in the image is a PRR class H21a clone. See also Feb 2002 RMJ paper page 23 for an image of PRR GLa design car HCF 4001, available at the link below...
 
 
(3) "what happened to them" - in the above RMJ article, Richard Burg writes: "...sold off the GLa fleet, probably to the PRR"
 
Hope this helps.
 
Claus Schlund
 


Photo: Installing A New Deck On A Flat Car (Undated)

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Those bolts used on flat car decks, with a square shank below the head (similar to a carriage bolt), but with a flat and countersunk head are actually called "Plow Bolts." Installed, there is no (rounded) head protruding above, and used (obviously) on historic farmers' plow with wooden structures.The flush heads would not interfere with other fittings or tackle on the plow. 

Specialty hardware suppliers still inventory Plow Bolts.
 
Mal Houck


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Bill Keene
 

Don’t fret!

My memory is shorter than the consist of a mixed train serving a soon to be abandoned dirt-ballasted branch line. 

Cheers,
— Bill


On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:55 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I know the shock on everyone's face but I actually went back and check my files and found this.  Hope it helps

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Great Thanks Ben

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:44 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."

Releases are listed in reverse chronological order here:
http://archive.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/arc-ho1932boxcar.htm
Variation descriptions are in the December 2015, August 2013, and October 2011 releases.


Ben Hom




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<Bill Welch Atlas 1932 boxcars.docx>


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

O Fenton Wells
 

I know the shock on everyone's face but I actually went back and check my files and found this.  Hope it helps


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Great Thanks Ben

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:44 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."

Releases are listed in reverse chronological order here:
http://archive.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/arc-ho1932boxcar.htm
Variation descriptions are in the December 2015, August 2013, and October 2011 releases.


Ben Hom



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Bill Keene
 

Thanks Ben. 

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."

Releases are listed in reverse chronological order here:
http://archive.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/arc-ho1932boxcar.htm
Variation descriptions are in the December 2015, August 2013, and October 2011 releases.


Ben Hom


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

O Fenton Wells
 

Great Thanks Ben


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 1:44 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."

Releases are listed in reverse chronological order here:
http://archive.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/arc-ho1932boxcar.htm
Variation descriptions are in the December 2015, August 2013, and October 2011 releases.


Ben Hom



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Photo: Texaco Tank Car TCX 723 (1936)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Texaco Tank Car TCX 723 (1936)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67558/rec/79

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image.

Built 1923.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Carlson asked:
"Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it."

Fenton Wells added: 
"...if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well."

Releases are listed in reverse chronological order here:
http://archive.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/arc-ho1932boxcar.htm
Variation descriptions are in the December 2015, August 2013, and October 2011 releases.


Ben Hom


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Brian Carlson
 

Ugh. Thanks Dave. Don’t always think to check the web interface for the Group when I am on the phone. 
MP body style 1. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Wasn't this question answered just last April in msg 172473?

It took maybe 8 seconds to find by searching Messages for "Atlas 1932".
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Bill Keene
 

Thanks Dave.

It took me a bit longer than your eight seconds. Yes. I confess that I am perhaps the world’s second worst “researcher” on the www. 

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Wasn't this question answered just last April in msg 172473?

It took maybe 8 seconds to find by searching Messages for "Atlas 1932".
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


H.C. Frick Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Bowser produced an H.C. Frick GLC hopper car.  Did Frick indeed have hoppers and if so what happened to them.

Larry Smith


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Dave Parker
 

Wasn't this question answered just last April in msg 172473?

It took maybe 8 seconds to find by searching Messages for "Atlas 1932".
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Bill Keene
 

Yes. DITTO!

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:18 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Brian if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:59 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it.

Brian J. Carlson







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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

O Fenton Wells
 

Brian if you find it please publish it as I would like to know as well


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:59 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it.

Brian J. Carlson







--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone know what body style of the atlas 1932 ARA car I need for Missouri Pacific prototype? There used to be a description of the body styles on the atlas website but I can’t find it.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: 50' Mather stock cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Meaning that these cars should be on the BBFCL, or the MFCL, not here.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 50' Mather stock cars

 


I am stunned to see that CB&Q still rostered 2,300 stock cars in 1965! Only 97 of them were 50 foot cars.


On 1/4/2021 7:45 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:

I haven't been able to find any evidence of the 50-foot cars being converted in 1952. 1962 is more likely a correct date, but by then Mather didn't exist.

 

Where did the 1952 date come from? I'm working on a full timeline of Mather from 1880-1956, and I'd love to see that data.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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