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Another Workbench Wednesday Offering

Nelson Moyer
 

I bought five Sunshine CB&Q GS-5/7/8 and one CB&Q GS-2 rebuilt gondolas shortly before Martin passed, and after looking over the kits and instructions, I laid the kits aside to work on other projects. I was fortunate to find two more GS-2 kits a couple of years ago, and I added those to the gondola stash. Somehow I never got around to building these kits. Meanwhile, Jerry Hamsmith and Ed Rethwisch offered their unit body kit for the GS-5/7/8 gondolas a few years ago, and bought and built 17 kits. About two years ago, I decided to build all of my remaining flat kits from Sunshine and Westerfield, and the eight gondolas are the last of my flat kits - ever!

The Sunshine flat kits require boxing the car and adding 38 itsy bitsy resin parts to match the Hamsmith unit body. Seventy plus additional parts not counting grab irons are required to complete the kits, depending upon the level of detail you choose to add. The total part count for the unit body kits is 103, while the Sunshine kits have 148 parts, counting grab irons, couplers and trucks. Obviously, the unit body kits are easier to build, and they save a great deal of tedious work with the Wine latches.

I sent much of the past four days applying decals to these eight cars, and now they're ready for a flat clear coat. Decals aren't usually a big deal, but somehow I lost all eight sets of these decals, and because they were from Sunshine, they aren't replaceable. Fortunately, I had the leftovers from those seventeen Hamsmith kits, and together with decals scrounged from three other Sunshine kits and one Speedwitch kit. I was able to find the decals I needed for these cars. Unfortunately, that meant piecing numbers, and piecing three sets of two numbers each or three single numbers with a pair of numbers is not for the timid, vision impaired, or unsteady of hand and nerves. Especially for the tiny little end road numbers.

The GS-2 gondolas were rebuilt with Dreadnaught end panels replacing the wood sides, so the decals have to be applied over deep corrugations. For those who haven't done that, the trick is to slather on Micro Sol and lay the decal flat across the tops of the corrugation, letting it dry thoroughly before proceeding. Next use a new #11 blade to slice the decal along the bottom or top of the corrugations, depending upon the line spacing of the lettering, then slather on more Micro Sol and gently brush down the loose edges of the decal. After most of the Micro Sol has evaporated, check to see that the decals have settled down into the valleys. Add more Micro Sol if necessary until the decals conform to the corrugation.

These cars represent two GS-5 rebuilds with Dreadnaught ends and Ajax hand brakes, one GS-7 with reverse Murphy panel ends and Perfection hand brakes, two GS-8 rebuilds with wood ends and Ajax hand brakes, and three GS-2 rebuilds with Dreadnaught ends, reverse Murphy panel sides, and Perfection hand brakes.

We've had dense winter fog for the past few days, but as soon and the humidity subsides, I'll spray the clear flat, add couplers and air hoses, and put these cars in the storage boxes with my other resin builds until I get around to weathering.

Nelson Moyer


Re: Workbench Wednesday!

Brian Carlson
 

Did you measure the axle before or after cleaning up the cone with the reboxx tool? I have over 1 dozen BLI tank cars and the IM axles all fit fine after cleaning up the truck bearing cones. The BLI truck molds do not have a good surface out of the box, and I got a lot of shavings with little pressure.

Truth is I would have liked to totally replace the BLI trucks but the atypical mounting system makes it more work. So I took the easier way out.

Brian J. Carlson

On Jan 6, 2021, at 4:23 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:

Brian,

I agree. However, I measured those axles at 0.985” or so…really short. I think my standard replacement wheels are 1.015” or so. Does IM make short axle wheel sets? Reeboxx used to, but I they have not been available for some time.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Intermountain hi detail semi-scale wheels and scale couplers are a must for Broadway tank cars. The Broadway wheelsets are hideous.
Brian J. Carlson


Re: Workbench Wednesday!

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

I agree. However, I measured those axles at 0.985” or so…really short. I think my standard replacement wheels are 1.015” or so. Does IM make short axle wheel sets? Reeboxx used to, but I they have not been available for some time.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Intermountain hi detail semi-scale wheels and scale couplers are a must for Broadway tank cars. The Broadway wheelsets are hideous.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Workbench Wednesday!

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Bruck, that workbench looks so familiar..The exceptiog being that mine is even more cluttered.

Bill Pardie

On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:

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PHOTO HELP NEEDED

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


There are times when delaying the completion of a model works to one's advantage.  New information often becomes available.  There are times when this works against you as parts or information go missing.  The latter app;ies to my work on a FW&D
car that was offered by the Amarillo Railroad Museum.  Armed with photos, replacement doors, supplemental decals  and trucks I went to work on this car.  Along the way the car fell on the priority list.  I had several excellent pbhotos of the particlular 
car I had in mind.  The car is in the 8200 -8350 series.

I sometimes think of myself as Bo's Photos West as I have bought so many phnoptos over the years.  The photo that I seem to have lost has a notation and arrow along the lower part of the side calling attention to the Royal Brake Regulator.  Having bought 
 from Bob I felt that the p;hoto came from him.  I recently contacted him and he sent me the two phnotos that he had.  Regretfully niether waqs the correct photo.  I forget the car number but the other distoingujishing features were a superior door and
National  B-1 trucks. Hopefully someone might recognize this.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



CAR THAT WAS DONE BY THE AMARILLO RAIL_._,_


Re: Workbench Wednesday!

Gavin
 

What's currently on my workbench. A Accurail PGE 36' Fowler. Needs renumbering, as the real series only went up to 3544. I'm also planning a project to turn a P1K 36' Stock Car into PGE 577 or a similar car. 


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 12:36 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Intermountain hi detail semi-scale wheels and scale couplers are a must for Broadway tank cars. The Broadway wheelsets are hideous. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 6, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 Folks,

Workbench Wednesday time!  The workbench is a little crowded with Non-PRR cars right now! There are 5 Rapido cars, three GATC reefers and two NP boxcars, as well as the two Broadway Limited Imports tank cars. All 7 are on the bench for weathering. The process is NOT identical for all of the cars, but there are some commonalities. These are “fleet” weathering jobs.

1) Remove trucks and remove the wheels from the trucks. Protect the bearing holes with tape and grit blast trucks. Replace wheels with semi-scale flange wheels if possible and paint wheels flat black, front and back, in a jig. Replace couplers with semi-scale metal knuckle couplers (note that I leave the trip pins on as I plan to have magnetic uncoupling in locations that will be under catenary.

2) Airbrush a light uneven coat of Tarnished Black, RR Tie Brown, or Harbor Mist Grey on the bottom of the car to weather (and lighten) the black underbodies. Some overspray onto the lower sides and ends of the car was intentionally allowed on some of the cars. On the tank cars, I was careful to get the bottom section of the tank as well as the frame.  Lightly paint the truck sideframes in a similar way. I also sprayed the top of the running boards and the black tank platform and bonnet (on the Niagra Smelting car). Put trucks, sans wheels back on cars to protect underbody details.

3) Airbrush a light, uneven coat of Tarnished Black or Grimy Black on the roof. Again, some overspray onto the sides and ends was intentionally used to weather these parts. 

4) Both NP cars and one GATC reefer are getting oil paint dot filters on the sides and the tank cars are getting oil washes on the tanks. The tanks will probably also get a top dusting with airbrushed soot color.

5) All cars will get fresh paint (decals) behind updated reweigh and repack stencils, chalk marks, and in first for me, route cards. Interestingly to me, the URTX and GARX reefers appear to have their repack stencils near the left truck, not the right.

Once these are done (this weekend, I hope) then it will be back to work on a new project… or maybe the pair of Walthers N6B cabin cars occupying the Tichy box to the left (one is destined for a new cupola to become an N6A, and both are hopefully getting scratch built steps to replace the plastic ones. A recent order received from Pierre is on the right, including etched brass tank car straps for these steps and a set for a PRR F33 flat car. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

 

Just one page? And a list at that?

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:05 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

 

Here you go

 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:32 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jerry,

So where would I find an accessible copy of Bill's Modeling the AAR-ARA Standard Steel Boxcar.pdf?

Todd Sullivan


 

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250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: Workbench Wednesday!

Brian Carlson
 

Intermountain hi detail semi-scale wheels and scale couplers are a must for Broadway tank cars. The Broadway wheelsets are hideous. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 6, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 Folks,

Workbench Wednesday time!  The workbench is a little crowded with Non-PRR cars right now! There are 5 Rapido cars, three GATC reefers and two NP boxcars, as well as the two Broadway Limited Imports tank cars. All 7 are on the bench for weathering. The process is NOT identical for all of the cars, but there are some commonalities. These are “fleet” weathering jobs.

1) Remove trucks and remove the wheels from the trucks. Protect the bearing holes with tape and grit blast trucks. Replace wheels with semi-scale flange wheels if possible and paint wheels flat black, front and back, in a jig. Replace couplers with semi-scale metal knuckle couplers (note that I leave the trip pins on as I plan to have magnetic uncoupling in locations that will be under catenary.

2) Airbrush a light uneven coat of Tarnished Black, RR Tie Brown, or Harbor Mist Grey on the bottom of the car to weather (and lighten) the black underbodies. Some overspray onto the lower sides and ends of the car was intentionally allowed on some of the cars. On the tank cars, I was careful to get the bottom section of the tank as well as the frame.  Lightly paint the truck sideframes in a similar way. I also sprayed the top of the running boards and the black tank platform and bonnet (on the Niagra Smelting car). Put trucks, sans wheels back on cars to protect underbody details.

3) Airbrush a light, uneven coat of Tarnished Black or Grimy Black on the roof. Again, some overspray onto the sides and ends was intentionally used to weather these parts. 

4) Both NP cars and one GATC reefer are getting oil paint dot filters on the sides and the tank cars are getting oil washes on the tanks. The tanks will probably also get a top dusting with airbrushed soot color.

5) All cars will get fresh paint (decals) behind updated reweigh and repack stencils, chalk marks, and in first for me, route cards. Interestingly to me, the URTX and GARX reefers appear to have their repack stencils near the left truck, not the right.

Once these are done (this weekend, I hope) then it will be back to work on a new project… or maybe the pair of Walthers N6B cabin cars occupying the Tichy box to the left (one is destined for a new cupola to become an N6A, and both are hopefully getting scratch built steps to replace the plastic ones. A recent order received from Pierre is on the right, including etched brass tank car straps for these steps and a set for a PRR F33 flat car. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Workbench Wednesday!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Workbench Wednesday time!  The workbench is a little crowded with Non-PRR cars right now! There are 5 Rapido cars, three GATC reefers and two NP boxcars, as well as the two Broadway Limited Imports tank cars. All 7 are on the bench for weathering. The process is NOT identical for all of the cars, but there are some commonalities. These are “fleet” weathering jobs.

1) Remove trucks and remove the wheels from the trucks. Protect the bearing holes with tape and grit blast trucks. Replace wheels with semi-scale flange wheels if possible and paint wheels flat black, front and back, in a jig. Replace couplers with semi-scale metal knuckle couplers (note that I leave the trip pins on as I plan to have magnetic uncoupling in locations that will be under catenary.

2) Airbrush a light uneven coat of Tarnished Black, RR Tie Brown, or Harbor Mist Grey on the bottom of the car to weather (and lighten) the black underbodies. Some overspray onto the lower sides and ends of the car was intentionally allowed on some of the cars. On the tank cars, I was careful to get the bottom section of the tank as well as the frame.  Lightly paint the truck sideframes in a similar way. I also sprayed the top of the running boards and the black tank platform and bonnet (on the Niagra Smelting car). Put trucks, sans wheels back on cars to protect underbody details.

3) Airbrush a light, uneven coat of Tarnished Black or Grimy Black on the roof. Again, some overspray onto the sides and ends was intentionally used to weather these parts. 

4) Both NP cars and one GATC reefer are getting oil paint dot filters on the sides and the tank cars are getting oil washes on the tanks. The tanks will probably also get a top dusting with airbrushed soot color.

5) All cars will get fresh paint (decals) behind updated reweigh and repack stencils, chalk marks, and in first for me, route cards. Interestingly to me, the URTX and GARX reefers appear to have their repack stencils near the left truck, not the right.

Once these are done (this weekend, I hope) then it will be back to work on a new project… or maybe the pair of Walthers N6B cabin cars occupying the Tichy box to the left (one is destined for a new cupola to become an N6A, and both are hopefully getting scratch built steps to replace the plastic ones. A recent order received from Pierre is on the right, including etched brass tank car straps for these steps and a set for a PRR F33 flat car. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

mel perry
 

does anyone know who is handling his
estate? that can be contacted, to ascertain the status of this file?
mel perry


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 10:50 AM Gene Semon <mopac1@...> wrote:

Modeling the AAR_ARA Standard Steel Boxcars.pdf “ is an excellent power point presentation done by Bill Welch in 2018.  It was available as a download from Bill, but don’t know where it might be available now.  I did not see it on the Real STMFC site in the files.

 

Gene

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of jerryglow2
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 8:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

 

Be sure to reference Bill Welch's Modeling the AAR_ARA Standard Steel Boxcars.pdf  It has some MP/I-GN specific details


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Re: Erie 80000 (2nd?)

mopacfirst
 

Ed:

Thanks for reminding me about the Color Guide.  When I get back to my other house, I'll look it up.

Ron Merrick


Re: Erie 80000 (2nd?)

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:30 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Years ago I built one of the 10 early 40' PS-1 that were built with cushion underframe.  It's on my rip track now because the roofwalk has come loose, which is not my focus for this inquiry.  I think the underframe I installed was a kluge, made from Walthers cushion underframe extensions.

I see that these cars are listed in the Hawkins PS-1 reference files.  What I don't see are any photos online of these cars.  I found an older series of cars 80000-80199, which are basically the 1937 modified standard cars with 10-4 IH.

Did the first ten of these cars get renumbered to make room for these experimental cushion underframe cars?  Did the 2nd 80000 series last long?  Anything else noteworthy about these?

Ron Merrick

Ron,
The 10 Erie PS-1s built 2-54 with Pullman-Standard cushion underframes were series 84000-84009, P-S lot 8160-F. I’m aware of two photo sources.

1. Erie/DL&W Color Guide (Morning Sun Books), page 46, 84002 taken ca. 1965.
2. P-S builder photos, Erie 84009, available from the Haskell and Barker Car Co. Collection, Smithsonian Institution. I’m unaware if the P-S builder photos, which were retouched, have been published. They were not published in my RailModel Journal series of PS-1 articles or in the James Kinkaid January 2002 Mainline Modeler article about the 100 PS-1s with cushion underframes. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Gene Semon
 

Modeling the AAR_ARA Standard Steel Boxcars.pdf “ is an excellent power point presentation done by Bill Welch in 2018.  It was available as a download from Bill, but don’t know where it might be available now.  I did not see it on the Real STMFC site in the files.

 

Gene

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of jerryglow2
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 8:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

 

Be sure to reference Bill Welch's Modeling the AAR_ARA Standard Steel Boxcars.pdf  It has some MP/I-GN specific details


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Erie 80000 (2nd?)

mopacfirst
 

Years ago I built one of the 10 early 40' PS-1 that were built with cushion underframe.  It's on my rip track now because the roofwalk has come loose, which is not my focus for this inquiry.  I think the underframe I installed was a kluge, made from Walthers cushion underframe extensions.

I see that these cars are listed in the Hawkins PS-1 reference files.  What I don't see are any photos online of these cars.  I found an older series of cars 80000-80199, which are basically the 1937 modified standard cars with 10-4 IH.

Did the first ten of these cars get renumbered to make room for these experimental cushion underframe cars?  Did the 2nd 80000 series last long?  Anything else noteworthy about these?

Ron Merrick


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas/ Bill Welch's list

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you, Fenton!

Todd Sullivan


Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

O Fenton Wells
 

Here you go


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:32 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Jerry,

So where would I find an accessible copy of Bill's Modeling the AAR-ARA Standard Steel Boxcar.pdf?

Todd Sullivan



--
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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: 1932 ARA MP cars and atlas

Todd Sullivan
 

Jerry,

So where would I find an accessible copy of Bill's Modeling the AAR-ARA Standard Steel Boxcar.pdf?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the update, Doug. Understanding the meat reefer fleets of the 1920s, beyond Armour and Swift, has been a challenge.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/05/2021 8:29 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Eric, according to the caption in the Billboard Refrigerator Cars book p. 180, the car was built by General American at their E Chicago shop. But the caption also contains errors giving the wrong built date and the wrong car number, when the information is clearly visible on the car. Those errors could give one pause to question the rest of the caption. I can see no markings on the hi-rez scan I have that indicates the car was built by General American. The car was built in 1928 and repainted in 1935, which could have obliterated any builder markings.


I got the photo scan from the Fairmont Railway Motor collection.


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the info, Doug! The same question popped into my mind as I reviewed that image.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/05/2021 8:32 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Bob, the trucks contain a Protzellers Fairmont-Goodyear rubber block spring produced by the Fairmont Railway Motor Co. Which apparently did not sell.


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Atlas Swift 4-hinge reefer


RE: Cudahy 5557
What type of trucks are under this car?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA





Re: More Re: New year - new eBay listings

jerryglow2
 

The box for the Santa Fe car says Bx-63 - the model is lettered Bx-50. Did you modify it or ?

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