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Corrugated Fiberboard is Approved for Railway Transportation

Bob Chaparro
 

Corrugated Fiberboard is Approved for Railway Transportation

An article from the Fruit Growers Supply Company blog. Fruit Growers Supply is a Sunkist Company.

It would take until the mid-1950s for corrugated paper boxes to replace the traditional wood packing crate in the Southern California citrus industry.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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The first serious use of corrugated paper (meaning corrugated fiberboard) came in 1903 when a cereal manufacturer was granted an exception to the wooden box use requirement for rail transport. This exception resulted in the major corrugated paper manufacturers uniting in a cooperative effort to standardize the material and make it fully acceptable to all American railroads. This cooperative eventually became the Corrugated Paper Patents Company and, through a series of trade associations, the Fibre Box Association.

In 1906, a request was submitted to the managing railroad classification committee to permit the use of corrugated fiberboard boxes. The committee approved the new boxes in 1906 with stipulations on the perceived lower quality of the material. In 1909, several fiberboard manufacturers had banded together to form The Fibre Shipping Container Association and developed quality standards for corrugated board properties based on the thickness of facings and bursting strength, measured by the Mullen tester (The History of Corrugated Fiberboard Shipping Containers).


Re: StLB&M flat car

Eric Hansmann
 

Chad Boas’ kit list has been updated today.

http://resincarworks.com/boas_kitlist_201506.pdf

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Semon
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car

 

Bruce,

 

These might be the kits you are looking for:

 

Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece.

MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill

MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill

Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904

Or contact me at my email address chadboas@...

C. Duckworth Photo

 

Gene Semon

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:51 AM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car

 

Folks,

 

In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars? 

 

I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

Image removed by sender.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: [Hindsight2020] Tomorrow's zoom

Ken Adams
 

It has never been my intent to sound unappreciative of Ted Culotta, Ryan Mendell and Hunter Hughson's efforts in creating and maintaining the entire Hindsight 2020 (now 2021?) program to replace real RPM's with a virtual alternative during the pandemic.

I do really appreciate their efforts. I really had wanted to attend yesterdays presentations.  These virtual meetings mean a lot to me living isolation from any social activities during the Pandemic.  When I tried to reregister with the no kit option including the sale confirmation, it was never recognized with a registration confirmation. 

I did sit yesterdays meeting out in spite of being provided by generous members with the Zoom login. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: [Hindsight2020] Tomorrow's zoom

Michael Gross
 

Dear Ted,

So sorry for the continued complaints from the terminally disgruntled.

I think I can speak for most Hindsight 20/20 members in saying that what you and the other moderators and clinicians are doing for us in this wretched time of social distancing is most appreciated.

Blessings and cheer to all!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Ted Culotta <speedwitchmedia@...> wrote:

[Copying the Hindsight groups.io as well as the grievance was aired there, too]

Fully begging the pardon of Mike and Jeff, I am going to use Ken as an example because I am frankly tired of his complaining about everything we do with Hindsight. He complains profusely because what we do doesn't align with his personal wants and desires.. This is the second time he has aired his displeasure about not receiving confirmation information. I privately explained to him the first time that it was because he had not actually registered. He failed to do so again this time. I fail to publicly take blame for his inability to follow instructions. It was stated quite clearly, "... you must add this [the registration] to your shopping cart and complete checkout to be registered and receive the zoom details." I have attached his recent order history - one decal order with the details blacked out along with two Hindsight registrations. That's it... no registration for the most recent one. Registration for the latest Hindsight was not even launched until after his Nov. 29 order so if he had registered, it would be there for all to see.

I will email Tony separately to uncover his issues as I received confirmation of his order, meaning he should have received a confirmation email, I did add him to the google calendar invite and I did send him an email this past Friday with the details.

That is all.... my arms are extended with wrists awaiting the cuffs of the sheriffs. However, it will have been worth it.

P.S. my presentation file and link to youtube of my clinic from yesterday can be accessed via my blog link below.

Cheers,
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Re: StLB&M flat car

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars? 

I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?

Bruce,
Following is some history & other info. In August 1941 Missouri Pacific and subsidiary International-Great Northern (I-GN) each placed orders with Bethlehem Steel Co. (BSC) for 50 flat cars of 50-ton capacity & 50’-0” length. BSC assigned to order DF 45. 

With the changing times & advent of the U.S. entry into second world war, production was increased to 100 MP cars & the 50 identical cars originally ordered by I-GN switched to another MoPac subsidiary St. Louis, Brownsville & Mexico. Delivery of the 150 flat cars occurred in June 1942, numbered MP 8100-8199 & StLB&M 8350-8399. 

The cars of riveted construction came with fish-belly side sills, 15 stake pockets per side, 12” rolled-channel end sills, 2 3/4” x 7 1/4” x 9’-4” yellow pine wood flooring, Universal Multi-Power Drop Shaft hand brake, Apex defect card holder double truss spring plankless trucks, and cast iron wheels. Painted black with white stencils. 

Starting around mid-1956 after Missouri Pacific had emerged from receivership, locomotives & rolling stock of MoPac subsidiaries I-GN, StLB&M & NOT&M had their reporting mark stencils changed to MP while retaining their original numbers. 

In late 1960 a handful of the cars from both series received 3’-4” high bulkheads, 46’ inside length, for hauling aluminum ingots. Later conversions are out of scope for STMFC.

Photos I’m aware of include a 3/4BL BSC builder photo of MP 8140 in the 1943 & 1946 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia (page 197 & 194, respectively); Bob’s Photo - Col. Chet McCoid, StLB&M 8373 with lumber load on 5/21/56; Dick Kuelbs photo MP 8166 on 11/24/60 with lumber load.

Gene Semon has answered your question about HO models. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



  


Re: StLB&M flat car

mopacfirst
 

These are 50'0" over "flooring and end sills", as the diagram calls out.  Bethlehem 1942, lot DF45.  These 50, plus MP 8100-8199, started out as general service flatcars.  They had 15 stake pockets.  They were typical of the era, with the deck 9'-4" wide, all inside the stake pockets.  8373 was apparently the last un-renumbered car, which was probably restenciled MP sometime after 1956.

They were mostly converted to piggyback, with bridge plates and rub rails, and one ACF model 2 hitch.  Some were converted to brick service, with 4'-0" bulkheads and side grates.  Some were converted to pig flat before the complete renumbering of freight cars, and these carried 99xxx series numbers, then were renumbered to 833000-833130.  A few stayed as general service flatcars.  So actually you have 150 cars to choose from for modeling purposes.

Many years ago I used an Athearn 50' flatcar, as a pretty close model, long before the resin era.

The attached photo shows one with a company load, an MPTL box truck which was delivered by MP to Wichita, presumably to save driving it the 482 miles from St. Louis.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943)

Douglas Harding
 

Jim double deck loading chutes were very common in areas that raised and shipped sheep or hogs. The photo cited at Calumet has a side by side double chute, with the lower chute crossing over under the upper chute for access to the stockcar door. This allows loading both levels at the same time without repositioning the car. If you look close at the photo you can see a handler standing on the lower platform holding back the sheep on the upper lever, which have already been loaded. He is able to stand there because the upper loading platform bridge plate has been pushed back away from the car and is laying in the upper chute. If that bridge plate was in place loading or unloading of both decks could take place at the same time. Note the sheep on the lower level chute are being turned as they get to the end of the chute, they will make a left then a right 90 degree turn to get into the lower deck of the stockcar.

 

Most double chutes, I have seen in photos and drawings, have the upper deck cross over above the lower deck. This design allows the upper platform and bridge plate to be removed, allowing larger animals, ie cattle and horses, on single deck cars to be loaded/unloaded.

 

A few railroads had side by side double chutes that required re-spotting the stockcar to line up the car door with the chute.

 

And some roads had a single chute that had a floor that could be raised or lowered to match the height of the stockcar floor. You could only load one level at a time, but you did not need to respot the car. One detail for modelers is these style of chutes had counter weights, similar to what is seen on water tank chutes.

 

Many double deck stockcars had single doors on each side. These cars would have a “bull board” which was a 2x6 that was placed in brackets creating a barrier in the door opening. The bull board prevent animals from escaping while the door was being opened or closed.

 

Of course many large stockyards with continuous platforms along the tracks did not have double chutes. They had portable chutes on wheels that could be moved into place for unloading the upper deck of double deck cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943)

 

Bob,
  Thanks for this photo link.  To the best of my knowledge (memory?) I
don't remember ever seeing a double deck loading operation.  It would
appear that it wasn't possible to load both levels at once - at least not
at this particular location.  I love the flat lighting in this picture - gives
it a "feeling" that we often miss/don't have on our layouts.
  Since the sheep are being loaded into an OSL car - I'm guessing
that they are being "reloaded" and will be forwarded from this location
to some other (for slaughter?).  Calumet is in the Chicago area so that
makes sense (at least to me).
                                                                                                   - Jim


Re: StLB&M flat car

Bruce Smith
 

Of course! I should have known Chad would have done these.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car
 

Bruce,

 

These might be the kits you are looking for:

 

Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece.

MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill

MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill

Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904

Or contact me at my email address chadboas@...

C. Duckworth Photo

 

Gene Semon

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:51 AM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car

 

Folks,

 

In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars? 

 

I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Ted Culotta
 

[Copying the Hindsight groups.io as well as the grievance was aired there, too]

Fully begging the pardon of Mike and Jeff, I am going to use Ken as an example because I am frankly tired of his complaining about everything we do with Hindsight. He complains profusely because what we do doesn't align with his personal wants and desires.. This is the second time he has aired his displeasure about not receiving confirmation information. I privately explained to him the first time that it was because he had not actually registered. He failed to do so again this time. I fail to publicly take blame for his inability to follow instructions. It was stated quite clearly, "... you must add this [the registration] to your shopping cart and complete checkout to be registered and receive the zoom details." I have attached his recent order history - one decal order with the details blacked out along with two Hindsight registrations. That's it... no registration for the most recent one. Registration for the latest Hindsight was not even launched until after his Nov. 29 order so if he had registered, it would be there for all to see.

I will email Tony separately to uncover his issues as I received confirmation of his order, meaning he should have received a confirmation email, I did add him to the google calendar invite and I did send him an email this past Friday with the details.

That is all.... my arms are extended with wrists awaiting the cuffs of the sheriffs. However, it will have been worth it.

P.S. my presentation file and link to youtube of my clinic from yesterday can be accessed via my blog link below.

Cheers,


Re: StLB&M flat car

Gene Semon
 

Bruce,

 

These might be the kits you are looking for:

 

Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece.

MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill

MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill

Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904

Or contact me at my email address chadboas@...

C. Duckworth Photo

 

Gene Semon

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:51 AM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car

 

Folks,

 

In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars? 

 

I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Virus-free. www.avg.com


StLB&M flat car

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars? 

I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


New Kit releases

Eric Hansmann
 

Who needs an update on new Resin car Works kit releases?

http://blog.resincarworks.com/2021-rcw-update/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943)

mopacfirst
 

It looks to me that it is indeed possible to load both levels at once.  The lower level looks like there's a right-angle turn in it, to align with the door.  In fact, with this car which does not appear to have separate doors, it's probably a good idea to load both levels at once and get the door closed before the cargo can get the idea that they might want to escape.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943)

Jim Betz
 

Bob,
  Thanks for this photo link.  To the best of my knowledge (memory?) I
don't remember ever seeing a double deck loading operation.  It would
appear that it wasn't possible to load both levels at once - at least not
at this particular location.  I love the flat lighting in this picture - gives
it a "feeling" that we often miss/don't have on our layouts.
  Since the sheep are being loaded into an OSL car - I'm guessing
that they are being "reloaded" and will be forwarded from this location
to some other (for slaughter?).  Calumet is in the Chicago area so that
makes sense (at least to me).
                                                                                                   - Jim


Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP/OSL Livestock Car 37197 (1943

Jack Delano photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d11997/

Taken in 1943 at Calumet City, Illinois.

Class S-40-4 livestock car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Tony Thompson
 

Thanks, Dave.
Tony 


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Assuming that there is only one passcode being used, try:

ID: 889 1418 0490 Passcode: 097459
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Dave Parker
 

Assuming that there is only one passcode being used, try:

ID: 889 1418 0490 Passcode: 097459
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Tony Thompson
 

Check your junk mail. 

I got no confirmation or new zoom link. Did check junk folder.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Eric Hansmann
 

Check your SPAM folder. People have found their confirmations arriving there.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tomorrow's zoom

 

Looks like it must be full....I registered but got no confirmation.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Tomorrow's zoom

Brian Carlson
 

Check your junk mail. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Looks like it must be full....I registered but got no confirmation.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

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