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Re: Discarded sign...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Of course, we are likely all aware of what happened when the ERIE got that large class of Russian Decapods.

 

The gauge problem, narrowing the engines from 5’ gauge to American Standard, a mere 3½” difference, was done by applying new tires with a wide tread, moving the flanges inwards 1¾” on each side.  Worked real slick . . . until they encountered a self-guarding frog.  Resulted in a very rough ride, as the tread had to rise up over that hump . . .

 

The ERIE Decapods hauled lots of FREIGHT CARS.  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...

 

David,
It's my understanding that the railroads tended to only use them on trackage not rated for "high speed", that of course being solely each railroad's decision to make in our era. Yes, the are a direct replacement for conventional frogs, but the "gathering range" of the guard flange is very short, so if wheel wear causes contact the sideways motion of the truck will be very abrupt.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Discarded sign...

Dennis Storzek
 

David,
It's my understanding that the railroads tended to only use them on trackage not rated for "high speed", that of course being solely each railroad's decision to make in our era. Yes, the are a direct replacement for conventional frogs, but the "gathering range" of the guard flange is very short, so if wheel wear causes contact the sideways motion of the truck will be very abrupt.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Discarded sign...

David Soderblom
 

Dennis:

Your comment on self-guarding frogs got my attention. Did they require slower speeds than “conventional “? I had thought they were just a simple substitute that needed fewer components.

Sent from my tricorder


Re: Narrow gauge assistance please

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The sought-for assistance has been provided.  Please pardon the OT intrusion,

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:36 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Narrow gauge assistance please

 

OFF TOPIC,

 

But I could use a bit of advice on narrow gauge yard design in HOn3.

 

If you can assist, please reply privately.

 

Thanks

 

schuyler (dot) Larrabee (at) verizon.net


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065

lrkdbn
 

These cars were a very significant part of the steam era NYC fleet-about 10500 cars built 1911-16(mostly in 1916) IRM has complete drawings.
Larry King


LV six-axle trussrod flats with loads at Bethlehem Steel

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
An undated photo of some LV six-axle trussrod flats with loads at Bethlehem Steel...
 
 
More info and caption at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Narrow gauge assistance please

Schuyler Larrabee
 

OFF TOPIC,

 

But I could use a bit of advice on narrow gauge yard design in HOn3.

 

If you can assist, please reply privately.

 

Thanks

 

schuyler (dot) Larrabee (at) verizon.net


Re: ORER help, please

greg kennelly
 

Many thanks, Ian.  Exactly the information I was looking for.
Greg Kennelly


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great find, Bob!

 

What do you think they were documenting?  Is that lift mechanism broken?

 

Everything you’d need to model that car!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065

 

Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065

Photos from the National Parks Service Collection:

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/ebaae708-07b0-4130-97a6-e05f379dff70

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/0aad690b-98e6-4b38-a28d-0d15670fbaf8

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/006b089c-3bcd-4af6-8ac3-f062ae3f954e

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/f259265d-b1de-4eb9-a6bd-b4ea81159846

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/7e588ad0-59dc-433c-ad0d-d76d794433ee

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Discarded sign...

Dennis Storzek
 

Look Ma, no guardrails. Obviously low speed secondary track as every turnout in the image has a self guarding frog.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Possibly hacked website?

Eric Hansmann
 

Yes, the site address changed sometime before 2010. A Google search would have led you to the correct site, too.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of irv_thomae
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Possibly hacked website?

 

Ah, that's the problem.   FWIW the incorrectly shortened link showed up in threads dating from 2005, at which time it was probably an entirely harmless error.
   Now I'd better find some better eyeglass cleaner... <g>
Thanks!


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Those signs were attached to any impressive load from Bethlehem Steel’s Fabricated Steel Division.  I cannot find the photos I have, but that exact sign was tacked onto Beth Steel’s fabricated girders and other products, as a matter of course.

 

I’ll keep looking for those photos.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...

 

That area is referred to as “Yard 7” in the B&M Somerville/Cambridge yards.

Inbound/outbound LCL and freight house, and (?)apparently where some meat reefers were transloaded.

The elevated structure at right is the MBTA “Green” line – WAY behind it is where the (current day) Museum of Science is located.

 

If you look at a current map, it is North/East of MA Rt 28 (Charles River Dam Rd.) and North/West of the Gilmore Bridge


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Discarded sign...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I agree with you Todd, and while I did not grow up around here, at least not as an adolescent (the last ten years have been an adventure in growing up . . . ) this photo does have a tinge of the look of the B&M and the general seediness of Somerville/Charlestown about it.  Based on the GM car to the right, front wheels on the track, I’d date this picture to the early 60s.

And that B&M “shack” is undoubtedly where the gates were operated from.  Typical of that sort of “building” around these parts, it’s not quite level.  Often these shacks were not provided with a real foundation, instead just sitting on some timbers laid on the ground.

The luxuriant growth of weeds is instructive for modeling scenes like this.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 7:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...

 

The 'reinforcement rail' on concrete is probably one side of a mobile gantry crane setup.  This looks to be at a Boston & Maine team track near Lechmere Square.  The crossing is not unguarded: there are typical B&M crossing gates on all 4 corners of the crossing.  They may be controlled from that shack on the opposite side of the crossing, a little right of center.  There appears to be a freight house and more team track area next to the trolley line bridge in the background, and that tall building is probably the freight office.  It just has that 'B&M look'.

Todd Sullivan
who grew up around the NH and B&M


Re: Discarded sign...

akerboomk
 

That area is referred to as “Yard 7” in the B&M Somerville/Cambridge yards.

Inbound/outbound LCL and freight house, and (?)apparently where some meat reefers were transloaded.

The elevated structure at right is the MBTA “Green” line – WAY behind it is where the (current day) Museum of Science is located.

 

If you look at a current map, it is North/East of MA Rt 28 (Charles River Dam Rd.) and North/West of the Gilmore Bridge


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Possibly hacked website?

irv_thomae
 

Ah, that's the problem.   FWIW the incorrectly shortened link showed up in threads dating from 2005, at which time it was probably an entirely harmless error.
   Now I'd better find some better eyeglass cleaner... <g>
Thanks!


Re: Possibly hacked website?

Eric Hansmann
 

It’s this address.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:29 PM, irv_thomae <irvthomae@...> wrote:

While browsing through some old discussion threads on this forum, I tried to click on links to www DOT steamfreightcars DOT com SLASH prototype [etc].   I've deliberately expanded that to make it more difficult to click on without first reading the following report:

  When I clicked on that link, antivirus protections in my browser warned me in bright red that it would be "dangerous to go there."   The address that it was warning me about looked nothing at all like the link I had tried to follow, so - as a retired internet security researcher - I suspect that "steamfreightcars DOT com" has been hijacked or infected with some very serious malware plague.
   As I recall, I had previously visited the same site without any trouble as recently as mid-December.
Irv


Possibly hacked website?

irv_thomae
 

While browsing through some old discussion threads on this forum, I tried to click on links to www DOT steamfreightcars DOT com SLASH prototype [etc].   I've deliberately expanded that to make it more difficult to click on without first reading the following report:

  When I clicked on that link, antivirus protections in my browser warned me in bright red that it would be "dangerous to go there."   The address that it was warning me about looked nothing at all like the link I had tried to follow, so - as a retired internet security researcher - I suspect that "steamfreightcars DOT com" has been hijacked or infected with some very serious malware plague.
   As I recall, I had previously visited the same site without any trouble as recently as mid-December.
Irv


Re: Discarded sign...

Todd Sullivan
 

The 'reinforcement rail' on concrete is probably one side of a mobile gantry crane setup.  This looks to be at a Boston & Maine team track near Lechmere Square.  The crossing is not unguarded: there are typical B&M crossing gates on all 4 corners of the crossing.  They may be controlled from that shack on the opposite side of the crossing, a little right of center.  There appears to be a freight house and more team track area next to the trolley line bridge in the background, and that tall building is probably the freight office.  It just has that 'B&M look'.

Todd Sullivan
who grew up around the NH and B&M


Re: Discarded sign...

Richard Townsend
 

That’s a cool little detail for a team track or gantry site. And I like the political billboard in the background as that is an easy way to “vintage date” a scene.


On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
We sometime see images of large loads on flat cars that are accompanied by signs describing the item and letting the world know who the manufacturer was.
 
Ever wonder what happens to those signs after the car is unloaded?
 
Have a look at the lower right corner of this image...
 
 
The sign appears to say "BETHLEHEM STEEL", and possibly "Fabricated Steel" on the line below.
 
Other nice details to notice are the bumping post, with a pair of re-inforcement rails between the running rails, and the one rail on concrete foundation probably for a movable overhead crane. I don't know the Bostan area railroading scene very well, but there appears to be a substantial freight house and/or team tracks in the background
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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