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Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load
Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load An 1931 photo from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/26909/rec/710 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25042/rec/856 These photos can be enlarged quite a bit. Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant. Related photos: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25046/rec/872 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25048/rec/882 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25049/rec/886 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: PRR Gondola 861248
Photo: PRR Gondola 861248 An undated photo from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21111/rec/1782 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. The car is lettered Pennsylvania Lines and the car initials are PL. Partial views of other cars appear. Can anyone make out the placard on the NYC gondola? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Southern railway flat cars
Paul Doggett
Hi
When did the Southern Railway change their flat car colour from black to red ? Many thanks Paul Doggett England 🏴
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Re: Discarded sign...
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Ken, for posting this link. Quite a bit of interesting information for railfans living in the area. The map also shows the long-lost Miller’s river (now in a culvert and nearly invisible unless you know JUST where to look for it. I’m surprised to see the round house labeled as “Auto truck st’ge” as I think most of that round house was still in use as such in 1935 (copyright date in small print beneath the graphic scale at the bottom).
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...
To beat this to death, the area is seen on this Sanborn map: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3764cm.g03701193401/?sp=26
Photographer is standing toward left side of map, picture taken looking right. The road with the crossing gates in the picture is the “road” with “EAST” text (leading to left side of [what used to be a] roundhouse) Gantry crane shown.
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Re: Discarded sign...
akerboomk
To beat this to death, the area is seen on this Sanborn map: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3764cm.g03701193401/?sp=26
Photographer is standing toward left side of map, picture taken looking right. The road with the crossing gates in the picture is the “road” with “EAST” text (leading to left side of [what used to be a] roundhouse) Gantry crane shown.
-- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Discarded sign...
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 07:59 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Of course, we are likely all aware of what happened when the ERIE got that large class of Russian Decapods.The Frisco had them too, and one ended up at the Illinois Railway Museum, where it runs on weekends during the summer. I was well acquainted with the gentleman, Dave Shore, who was the "messenger" (attendant) when it was moved to the museum. Dave related a story where, on learning the train was to pull into a yard before the Decapod was to be switched out, asking the conductor if there were any self guarding frogs in the yard. "No" was the response. Dave said about a minute later there was a loud BANG and the engine looked like it jumped up in the air. About a minute later it did it again. Dave pulled the air. Turns out the whole ladder was self guarding frogs, and the wide driver tires had actually broken the guard flanges off the two frogs it ran through. The train sat there until a switcher came in behind it and gingerly pulled the engine back out to the main and took it somewhere where there weren't any self guarding frogs. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Discarded sign...
Schuyler Larrabee
Of course, we are likely all aware of what happened when the ERIE got that large class of Russian Decapods.
The gauge problem, narrowing the engines from 5’ gauge to American Standard, a mere 3½” difference, was done by applying new tires with a wide tread, moving the flanges inwards 1¾” on each side. Worked real slick . . . until they encountered a self-guarding frog. Resulted in a very rough ride, as the tread had to rise up over that hump . . .
The ERIE Decapods hauled lots of FREIGHT CARS. 😊
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:16 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...
David,
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Re: Discarded sign...
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
David,
It's my understanding that the railroads tended to only use them on trackage not rated for "high speed", that of course being solely each railroad's decision to make in our era. Yes, the are a direct replacement for conventional frogs, but the "gathering range" of the guard flange is very short, so if wheel wear causes contact the sideways motion of the truck will be very abrupt. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Discarded sign...
David Soderblom
Dennis:
Your comment on self-guarding frogs got my attention. Did they require slower speeds than “conventional “? I had thought they were just a simple substitute that needed fewer components. Sent from my tricorder
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Re: Narrow gauge assistance please
Schuyler Larrabee
The sought-for assistance has been provided. Please pardon the OT intrusion,
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:36 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Narrow gauge assistance please
OFF TOPIC,
But I could use a bit of advice on narrow gauge yard design in HOn3.
If you can assist, please reply privately.
Thanks
schuyler (dot) Larrabee (at) verizon.net
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065
lrkdbn
These cars were a very significant part of the steam era NYC fleet-about 10500 cars built 1911-16(mostly in 1916) IRM has complete drawings.
Larry King
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LV six-axle trussrod flats with loads at Bethlehem Steel
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
An undated photo of some LV six-axle trussrod flats with loads at Bethlehem
Steel...
More info and caption at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Narrow gauge assistance please
Schuyler Larrabee
OFF TOPIC,
But I could use a bit of advice on narrow gauge yard design in HOn3.
If you can assist, please reply privately.
Thanks
schuyler (dot) Larrabee (at) verizon.net
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Re: ORER help, please
greg kennelly
Many thanks, Ian. Exactly the information I was looking for.
Greg Kennelly
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Great find, Bob!
What do you think they were documenting? Is that lift mechanism broken?
Everything you’d need to model that car!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:13 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065
Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065 Photos from the National Parks Service Collection: https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/ebaae708-07b0-4130-97a6-e05f379dff70 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/0aad690b-98e6-4b38-a28d-0d15670fbaf8 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/006b089c-3bcd-4af6-8ac3-f062ae3f954e https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/f259265d-b1de-4eb9-a6bd-b4ea81159846 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/7e588ad0-59dc-433c-ad0d-d76d794433ee Scroll on the photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065
Photos: P&LE Gondola 46065 Photos from the National Parks Service Collection: https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/ebaae708-07b0-4130-97a6-e05f379dff70 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/0aad690b-98e6-4b38-a28d-0d15670fbaf8 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/006b089c-3bcd-4af6-8ac3-f062ae3f954e https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/f259265d-b1de-4eb9-a6bd-b4ea81159846 https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/7e588ad0-59dc-433c-ad0d-d76d794433ee Scroll on the photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Discarded sign...
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Look Ma, no guardrails. Obviously low speed secondary track as every turnout in the image has a self guarding frog.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Possibly hacked website?
Eric Hansmann
Yes, the site address changed sometime before 2010. A Google search would have led you to the correct site, too.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of irv_thomae
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:15 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Possibly hacked website?
Ah, that's the problem. FWIW the incorrectly shortened link showed up in threads dating from 2005, at which time it was probably an entirely harmless error.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
Those signs were attached to any impressive load from Bethlehem Steel’s Fabricated Steel Division. I cannot find the photos I have, but that exact sign was tacked onto Beth Steel’s fabricated girders and other products, as a matter of course.
I’ll keep looking for those photos.
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:57 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...
That area is referred to as “Yard 7” in the B&M Somerville/Cambridge yards. Inbound/outbound LCL and freight house, and (?)apparently where some meat reefers were transloaded. The elevated structure at right is the MBTA “Green” line – WAY behind it is where the (current day) Museum of Science is located.
If you look at a current map, it is North/East of MA Rt 28 (Charles River Dam Rd.) and North/West of the Gilmore Bridge
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