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Photo: NYC Flat Car S-499022 With Machinery Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Flat Car S-499022 With Machinery Load

A 1924 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25044/rec/867

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PMK&Y (NYC) Gondola 90723

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PMK&Y (NYC) Gondola 90723

An undated photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21113/rec/1786

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The car initials stand for Pittsburgh, McKeesport & Youghiogheny. This railroad is discussed as the Youghiogheny Branch and the section on the South Penn and Pittsburgh, McKeesport and Youghiogheny Railroad on this P&LE link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_and_Lake_Erie_Railroad

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Shipper's Sketch: PRR Well Hole Flat Cat

Bob Chaparro
 

Shipper's Sketch: PRR Well Hole Flat Cat

A 1928 drawing from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/24195/rec/620

This drawing can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

Thomas Evans
 

Very interesting old side-dump car in the background.
Anyone have any information on that?

Tom E.


Re: SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Thomas Evans
 

That board seems to have marks indicating that it once supported a trolley pole that has since been removed.
The bell also hints that the car was designed  to lead.
So, was it a former motor since de-motored?
Or did PE have control trailers that could lead?

Tom E.


Re: SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Randy Hees
 

This car is clearly a trailer, but was built to be converted to a motor car.  It has the board where a trolley poll would be mounted, but also lacks a hook to hold the pole down.  The PE passenger car suggests the photo dates after the "Great Merger" of 1911, when "old" PE, Los Angeles Interurban, Los Angeles & Redondo, Los Angeles Pacific and other electric railways, in the San Bernardino and Riverside areas merged to form Pacific Electric.  I would guess that this is a former LA&R car.  Trailers were not common but were more common on the LA&R, additionally their shop was adept at building and rebuilding cars, and in the process sometimes creating one off designs.  I suspect that this is not a "Huntington Standard" with two open ends and a closed compartment between, but instead a open/closed car.  The larger open end doesn't match any of the known cars.

Randy Hees


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Cheers Jim

Paul Doggett 


On 15 Jan 2021, at 15:40, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:



The PS 52’ 6” gons I once produced in HO resin were built in 2 lots (1953 and 1957).  Both were delivered in black with Roman lettering.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Jim King
 

The PS 52’ 6” gons I once produced in HO resin were built in 2 lots (1953 and 1957).  Both were delivered in black with Roman lettering.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Hubert

I have sent you a message about decals and a kit

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 14 Jan 2021, at 21:44, hubert mask <maskisland@hotmail.com> wrote:

For a matter of information I sell all three paint scheme decals. In black, Roman, and 70s. Maskislanddecals.com.

Thank you.
Hubert mask
On Jan 14, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi

When did the Southern Railway change their flat car colour from black to red ?

Many thanks

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿








Re: SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Mark Rossiter
 

The passenger car is clearly a Pacific Electric car, possibly a Huntington Standard car, but it must be a trailer as I see no trolley pole.

 

Mark Rossiter

 

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Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Jim 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett 


On 14 Jan 2021, at 21:42, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:



Most likely late 1957 when there was a systemwide change in fonts and colors.  That’s when heralds were removed, the Roman font changed to an early version of Gothic/Block, the green/imitation Aluminum scheme on engines was changed to “Tuxedo” and open top cars, including flats, went from black to freight car red/brown (which varied over the years).  Black-painted gons were still running around in the early 70s.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

To All 

Thank you very much 

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 15 Jan 2021, at 00:22, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Garth, you don't need any archives on your computer.  The Messages files at groups.io go back to 12/11/2000 (!).

Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Allen 

Thank you I model 1950-3 so that sounds good to me.

Paul Doggett 


On 15 Jan 2021, at 04:12, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:


I found this note posted by Robert Burns back in 2007:

"1954 was the year SR "officially" changed the color of hoppers, flats, gondolas, etc. from black to "freight car brown/red", but it took several years to get everything painted, so black cars ran up into the 60's.

 

1959 was the year the lettering changed from Roman to the Gothic/Block, but again, it didn’t happen overnight."


Cannot vouch for its accuracy.


Allen Cain 


Re: SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Todd Sullivan
 

I have seen photos of similar flat cars owned by the OWR&N in log service in WA state. Does anyone know if they were a Harriman std design or built by Std Steel Car?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Nice images of NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y hoppers...

Todd Sullivan
 

I suffer from digital dyslexia.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Nice images of NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y hoppers...

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Tony,

My brain and fingers have never had a strong connection. I found out when I tried to learn a musical instrument and again when I learned to type. I do proofread what I type, but misteaks slip through.

That would be awful tasting cola. Better the COAL be coked.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Allen Cain
 

I found this note posted by Robert Burns back in 2007:

"1954 was the year SR "officially" changed the color of hoppers, flats, gondolas, etc. from black to "freight car brown/red", but it took several years to get everything painted, so black cars ran up into the 60's.

 

1959 was the year the lettering changed from Roman to the Gothic/Block, but again, it didn’t happen overnight."


Cannot vouch for its accuracy.


Allen Cain 


Re: SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Steve Summers
 

Interesting passenger car in the foreground.


On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:27 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
View of SPLA&SL flat cars including SPLA&SL 3140 in 1910...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SPLA&SL flat cars in 1910

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
View of SPLA&SL flat cars including SPLA&SL 3140 in 1910...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


view of steel gon UP 99581 in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Also, a view of steel gon UP 99581 in 1929 - it looks to be the same construction as UP 99912:
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:16 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] partial view of steel gon UP 99912 in 1929

Hi List Members,
 
We have a partial view of steel gon UP 99912 in 1929...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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