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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)
One of the clinics during the virtual PRR day meeting was on transformers, by Rob Bennett. One thing I learned from Rob is that there was usually a transformer for each phase. I sent the photo to Rob and he looked around a bit and found this photo:
of not just the two mentioned but THREE transformers... so this was a three-phase installation. These are GE built.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 9:26 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; Espee@groups.io <Espee@groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s) Dan
Upon closer examination I think you are correct - Re-writing: These are two nearly-identical transformers on TWO different SP 70-ton(ish) SP Flat cars: Photo on 4-8-1937 on SP 43595 F-50-12 ... with what look to be 70-ton leaf-spring trucks. https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with nearly identical load... SP 49679 , the lone F-70-1... nee F-50-14 with heavier trucks. https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 AFAIK... this is the only known (so far) photo of 49679... on what was probably its first revenue trip. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA -------------------- At 07:03 PM 1/15/2021, Dan Smith wrote: >Richard Brennan wrote: > >Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595 ><https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 >Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679 ><https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 > >I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car >? The same actual load ? > >SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks >added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER. > >SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book. >But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. >Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a >new one off class ? >This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on. > Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ? > Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 > ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER. > >An interesting tidbit, >Dan Smith
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
The second car has coil sprung trucks. Just FYI.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)
Dan
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Upon closer examination I think you are correct - Re-writing: These are two nearly-identical transformers on TWO different SP 70-ton(ish) SP Flat cars: Photo on 4-8-1937 on SP 43595 F-50-12 ... with what look to be 70-ton leaf-spring trucks. https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with nearly identical load... SP 49679 , the lone F-70-1... nee F-50-14 with heavier trucks. https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 AFAIK... this is the only known (so far) photo of 49679... on what was probably its first revenue trip. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
At 07:03 PM 1/15/2021, Dan Smith wrote:
Richard Brennan wrote:
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
akerboomk
RE: Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
Look like different cars to me? - Trucks different - 595 has a stake pocket behind side grabs, 679 not. - Side completely flat on 679, looks like it is “stepped”(??) on 575
Ken -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
Richard Brennan wrote:
Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ? SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER. SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book. But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ? This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on. Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ? Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER. An interesting tidbit, Dan Smith
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Re: Southern railway flat cars
The question does not have a precise answer because the change would have had to occur over time. When did Southern executives decide to change the color? About 1953-4. When did the last of Southern flat cars with black disappear off the rails? Probably not till after the merger with the N&W in 1982 (Kinkead book shows black Southern freight cars in Roman lettering in the 70's). New built cars after 1960 at least are going to be Southern freight car red. Photos are your best friend.
-- ____________________________ David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
At 01:00 PM 1/15/2021, brianleppert@att.net wrote:
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?Sure it can... A quick shop change to 70-ton trucks...because an important shipper has a LARGE load: Voila! SP Freight Cars Vol 3, p 220 lists F-70-1 as a single car: SP 49679... p221 'The "missing' 400th car was the experimental F-70-1, car no 49679.' Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
lrkdbn
I wonder if it might have sometimes been that, faced with a large high value shipment like this power plant machinery that the RR might overhaul and paint cars just for that shipment,rather than just grab the first car off the yard track. This would account for the clean appearance of many of the cars in this set of pictures- if they did do this, it would be just the sort of practice that would die off in the Depression and war years
Larry King
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
Oops, listing for one 70t car, 49679, listed in the 7-39 ORER.
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ADMIN: Steam-Era Freight Cars ONLY (was: Getting paid on Ebay)
Aley, Jeff A
Hi Folks,
Ebay and their financial policies are OFF TOPIC for RealSTMFC. Please have your discussions off-list.
Thanks,
-Jeff Aley Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC
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mel perry
pete: use plastic, there's a seperate entry ;-)
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 1:36 PM Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> wrote:
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Re: Getting paid on Ebay
Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
Here is link to the information on eBay https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/getting-paid/get-paid-managed-payments-seller?id=4814
Gene Semon
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:45 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Getting paid on Ebay
Are you sure this isn't a scam for getting your bank account information? I've heard nothing like what you said from ebay. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- New subject, but since a lot of transactions for steam era freight cars are made on ebay, probably by all of us, this might be important:
Ebay announced today that they are going to change the pay process - now, payments will go directly to your bank, not to your PayPal account: no more PayPal processing fees. That sounded good until I read further - ebay wants your bank account information.
In light of recent events, does that concern anyone?
Thanks Pete
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Richard Townsend
Are you sure this isn't a scam for getting your bank account information? I've heard nothing like what you said from ebay. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2021 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Getting paid on Ebay New subject, but since a lot of transactions for steam era freight cars are made on ebay, probably by all of us, this might be important:
Ebay announced today that they are going to change the pay process - now, payments will go directly to your bank, not to your PayPal account: no more PayPal processing fees. That sounded good until I read further - ebay wants your bank account information.
In light of recent events, does that concern anyone?
Thanks
Pete
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
There are no 70t, 1400000 lbs capacity flats listed in either the 7-37 or 7-39 ORER's for SP.
Tony may need to chime in here but I think SP got it's first 70T flats in 1940, if memory serves and I don't have to rush to find Tony's book. Dan Smith
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
From the 7-37 ORER
FM flat all steel 43191 to 43690 100000 lbs. capacity 497 cars note PPP 120000 lbs. capacity 2 cars 43386 43595 There are 2 other notes listing changes in capacity - both from 80000 lbs to 100000 lbs. and from different # series. From the 7-39 ORER FM flat all steel 43191 to 43690 100000 lbs. capacity 495 cars There are no notes for special capacity flat cars listed in 7-39 ORER for this # series. I'm sorry but I don't have any ORER's between these. There may have been a second capacity change on the 2 PPP note cars from 7-37 and a 10-37 or there abouts ORER might show if that is the case. Dan Smith
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Charles Happel
In the worst case, I am looking at having it deposited to a debit card account, such as Kroger. Chuck Happel A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. Muhammad Ali
On Friday, January 15, 2021, 05:09:20 PM EST, Brian Shumaker <brian.shumaker@...> wrote: Having just dumped a batch of unneeded locos on EBay and having to suffer 10% in fees plus the PayPal fees I’m just about done selling on the platform. For EBay to default to PayPal for purchases, it seems strange to bypass them on payments. I’m going to start looking for another auction site. Ebid? Worthpoint? Anyone with some insight on the others? Brian Shumaker
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
brianleppert@att.net
I agree with Garth and Bruce.
The leaf-sprung trucks look like they were once under a steam locomotive tender. Someone at SP must have determined the F-50-12 underframe could handle the transformer's weight. But why not just use a 70-ton flat car? Length too long? Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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James Brewer
I have bought and sold a few things here: https://groups.io/g/HOswap
No fees, etc., but you are on your own as far as any problems, etc. I have not had any problems with anything I purchased or any sales that I have made. Jim Brewer
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Brian Shumaker
Having just dumped a batch of unneeded locos on EBay and having to suffer 10% in fees plus the PayPal fees I’m just about done selling on the platform. For EBay to default to PayPal for purchases, it seems strange to bypass them on payments. I’m going to start looking for another auction site. Ebid? Worthpoint? Anyone with some insight on the others?
Brian Shumaker
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Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
Garth, Folks,
Photo taken 4/8/1937. Reweigh 3/37. That supports a reweight immediately or nearly before loading this transformer. 😉
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 3:58 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load Brian,
The number puts it in the F-50-12 series. I suspect it was a special conversion, maybe just for this movement and it was later returned to general service. Otherwise, why it was not renumbered or reclassed, I can't say.
This looks like a job for Tony to explain.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?
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