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Photo: Michigan Central Flat Car 33552 Under Stress

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Michigan Central Flat Car 33552 Under Stress

An undated photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/347/rec/575

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "A rotor on a flat car at the Edison Station on the Southern Pacific Railroad for KR #1 Hydro Plant."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO Truck ID?

radiodial868
 

Thanks to a kind soul here on the list, I was reminded of Richard Hendrickson's treatise on HO Trucks. Man, we all miss that guy.
Is an early Life-Like product of a "AAR 50 Ton Double Truss Self-Aligning Spring-Plankless" truck, just like Lester called it. Really crude by today's standards. Those journals are huge compared to TMW and Kadee. I think I've traced them back to Ertl products, who must have obtained these rather cartoonish trucks from Life-Like.
Going to now spend this foggy Saturday sorting and labeling my boxes of trucks appropriately.

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Note the "Not to be loaded off system lines" stencil. This sort of answers the earlier question about whether these cars were sent east to be loaded. Somebody mentioned possible transport by ship to San Diego. If these came by sea, San Pedro or Long Beach (Los Angeles Harbor) was far more likely.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:45 AM Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
Group,

Here is another photo from the Huntington Library collection showing the lone SP F-70-1 # 49679 flat with load more clearly.

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30649/rec/106

Can't find class stencil that was normal practice on car though.

Dan Smith


locked Re: Getting paid on Ebay

Jack Burgess
 

This only applies to sellers. Note that PayPal is owned by eBay so no changes for buyers.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Getting paid on Ebay

 

Are you sure this isn't a scam for getting your bank account information? I've heard nothing like what you said from ebay.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 


ISO HO Resin Car Works Kit 15.0 MILW Composite Gondola

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

Does anyone have a Resin Car Works MILW composite gon that they'd be willing to part with? I ordered one but must have been just a bit too late. My email is nyc3001@....

Thanks,
Phil Lee


Re: Southern railway flat cars

George Eichelberger
 

What “official” reference are you using to refer to a 1953/54 date for the color change on Southern freight equipment? I have looked at thousands of SRS documents and drawings and never (!) seen anything to that effect.

Ike


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

 

Group,

Here is another photo from the Huntington Library collection showing the lone SP F-70-1 # 49679 flat with load more clearly.

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30649/rec/106

Can't find class stencil that was normal practice on car though.

Dan Smith


Re: HO Truck ID?

mopacfirst
 

I have used some MDC trucks that had a very arched or rounded top chord, which looked like some trucks I had seen on cars from the 20s, when I modeled older cars.  Perhaps they were in the 50' single-sheathed double door box, and possibly others but that's the first one I can think of.  Is this the same one as you have?

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

Bruce Smith
 

Dan,

There are a number of additional photos. I found these in several ways. First, the photo caption says Porterville, Ca, so I searched "Porterville". That got me a lot of hits, but there was a click box on the left to select the photographer so I selected G. Haven Bishop and go about 35 hits. Alternatively, you can conduct a much tighter search with "Transformers for Magunden" and that gets 12 hits of this particular move. A broader search for "Magunden" gets 107 hits with more photos of the move, plus other photos of the switching station.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 11:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)
 
Thank you Bruce, for filling in fantastic extra info.

That shows car 43386, the other car listed in the 7-37 ORER, note PPP as exceptions in the 43191 to 43690 series F-50-12 cars with greater capacity.
See my post earlier in this tread.

I tried plugging in to the Huntington Library site and searching for more photos on this installation but found it difficult to navigate.

Are there more photos ?
Dan Smith


Re: HO Truck ID?

Lester Breuer
 

An ARA/AAR truck that came  in Model Die Casting kits.
Lester Breuer


New IC boxcar kit

Eric Hansmann
 

An Illinois Central AAR modified design 40-foot steel-sheathed boxcar with square corner posts is the latest HO scale kit from Resin Car Works. Details are in the latest blog post.



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

David Soderblom
 

Two observations:

1. Note the shiplap decking on 43595, as opposed to the square-cut lumber we saw being used on the Southern flat being resurfaced.

2. Were transformers like this being manufactured in California?  If they came from the east coast I’d expect to see them on cars built for these loads, such as from NYC.  Perhaps they came by ship to San Pedro harbor, hence the SP cars for the transfer?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD




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locked Re: Getting paid on Ebay

RICH CHAPIN
 

Just read the referenced article and saw nothing about giving eBay a credit card number; also, it applies to “managed payments”. I did not receive the eBay “notice” that caused this thread, but I see that as s scam.

 

Rich Chapin


Re: Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you David 

Paul 


On 16 Jan 2021, at 02:21, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

The question does not have a precise answer because the change would have had to occur over time.  When did Southern executives decide to change the color?  About 1953-4.  When did the last of Southern flat cars with black disappear off the rails?  Probably not till after the merger with the N&W in 1982 (Kinkead book shows black Southern freight cars in Roman lettering in the 70's). New built cars after 1960 at least are going to be Southern freight car red.  Photos are your best friend.
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David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

 

Thank you Bruce, for filling in fantastic extra info.

That shows car 43386, the other car listed in the 7-37 ORER, note PPP as exceptions in the 43191 to 43690 series F-50-12 cars with greater capacity.
See my post earlier in this tread.

I tried plugging in to the Huntington Library site and searching for more photos on this installation but found it difficult to navigate.

Are there more photos ?
Dan Smith


HO Truck ID?

radiodial868
 

I came across in my stash a half dozen pair of these. They look better in person, but I can't figure out what they might represent. 5 springs and some big-ass journals, 6"x11", so maybe in the 70 ton range. Only markings is a "2" on the underside of the bolster.
Any thoughts?

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

Bruce Smith
 

One of the clinics during the virtual PRR day meeting was on transformers, by Rob Bennett. One thing I learned from Rob is that there was usually a transformer for each phase. I sent the photo to Rob and he looked around a bit and found this photo:
of not just the two mentioned but THREE transformers... so this was a three-phase installation. These are GE built.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 9:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)
 
Dan

Upon closer examination I think you are correct - Re-writing:
These are two nearly-identical transformers on TWO different SP
70-ton(ish) SP Flat cars:

Photo on 4-8-1937 on SP 43595 F-50-12 ... with what look to be 70-ton
leaf-spring trucks.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693

Two days later, 4-10-1937, with nearly identical load... SP 49679 ,
the lone F-70-1... nee F-50-14 with heavier trucks.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879
AFAIK... this is the only known (so far) photo of 49679... on what
was probably its first revenue trip.

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 07:03 PM 1/15/2021, Dan Smith wrote:
>Richard Brennan wrote:
>
>Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
><https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
>Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
><https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879
>
>I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car
>? The same actual load ?
>
>SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks
>added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER.
>
>SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book.
>But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series.
>Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a
>new one off class ?
>This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on.
>           Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ?
>           Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14
> ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER.
>
>An interesting tidbit,
>Dan Smith








Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load

 

The second car has coil sprung trucks. Just FYI. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:

Richard Brennan wrote:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ?

SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER.

SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book.
But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ?
This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on.
          Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ?
          Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER.

An interesting tidbit,
Dan Smith


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car(s) Transformer(s)

Richard Brennan
 

Dan

Upon closer examination I think you are correct - Re-writing:
These are two nearly-identical transformers on TWO different SP 70-ton(ish) SP Flat cars:

Photo on 4-8-1937 on SP 43595 F-50-12 ... with what look to be 70-ton leaf-spring trucks.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693

Two days later, 4-10-1937, with nearly identical load... SP 49679 , the lone F-70-1... nee F-50-14 with heavier trucks.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879
AFAIK... this is the only known (so far) photo of 49679... on what was probably its first revenue trip.

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 07:03 PM 1/15/2021, Dan Smith wrote:
Richard Brennan wrote:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
<https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
<https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879>https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ?

SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER.

SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book.
But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ?
This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on.
Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ?
Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER.

An interesting tidbit,
Dan Smith


Re: Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load

akerboomk
 

RE:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

 

Look like different cars to me?

-       Trucks different

-       595 has a stake pocket behind side grabs, 679 not.

-       Side completely flat on 679, looks like it is “stepped”(??) on 575

 

Ken


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