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Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Mike Williams
 

Does the diagram specify the wheel diameters?  The journals on the second car appear to be closer to the rails as well.


100-ton Andrews trucks in HO

Richard Townsend
 

As long as we're talking about trucks, I am looking for a pair of  HO scale 100-ton Andrews trucks, solid bearing, for a steam-era tank car I am working on. Specifically I am working on a model of OZCX 1 as shown on page 23 of the book "General American Tank Car Journeys." The 11,586-gallon car carried sulfuric acid for the Ozark-Mahoning Company. As far as I am able to tell, there are no HO scale, solid bearing,100-ton Andrews trucks. I would like to be shown to be wrong about this. The closest I have found are Bowser Crown 70-ton Andrews trucks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: HO Truck ID?

radiodial868
 

Got all my trucks classified now. Sure a lot of interpretations and versions of AAR and ASF type cast frame trucks.  Richard's list is 8 years old now, many more trucks since then from Tichy and Tahoe Model Works and others.  Too bad the rights didn't pass to someone to able to keep it going. That sure was handy.

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Steve SANDIFER
 

Richard’s article has a list of 42’ USRA Design Flat Cars and closely Similar Cars. He shows the 496000-496299 as 42’1”. The 489500+ series were 40’10”.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

 

Paul:

My notes indicate that NYC 498000-489499 were only 40-0 over end sills and had 11 stake pockets.

I think it is the 496000-496299 series that is closest to the Red Caboose model (42-1 OL, 12 pockets).  498500-498999 was sort of in between:  40-10 OL, 12 pockets.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Resin Kits that need a new home

Ross Dando
 

Only Owl Mountain Kits remain.
Thank you everyone.

Ross Dando
Meridian, Idaho


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Eric Hansmann
 

Those earlier NYC flat cars had a shallower fish belly side sill and also a fish belly center sill. Roger gave a great presentation in the NYC flat car fleet at the 2019 Chicagoland RPM. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 17, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:

This is the prototype for the Red Caboose 42' flat car, isn't it? Richard's RMJ article has a question mark for the type of trucks used under this series of cars and this photo shows them very well.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1997_1/

Paul
Seattle, WA


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Paul Krueger
 

You're right, Dave. I overlooked the dimensions on the table in Richard's article. The photo does answer the question about the trucks for this series though.

Paul
Seattle, WA


Re: South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

Steven D Johnson
 

Bill and Garth,

 

Thanks for the information from the ORERs. 

 

Examining the photos, I can make out “NEW 2(?)-34, and the Mt. Vernon Car Mfg. Co. builder’s stencil to the right of the doors. 

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 4:13 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

 

Steve,

 

Cool car! I have an ORER listing from April 1951 which shows one boxar from what I presume is this series. It is South Georgia 1600, an XM: 40' 6" IL, 9' IW, 10' 2 1/4" IH, 12' 1" doors, 3739 cu ft, and 80000 capacity. Their only other cars at that time were two 41' flat cars, numbered 875 and 876, and a 35' 4" flat car numbered 877. 

 

My 1958 ORER shows the line as a Southern-controlled shortline with no separate listing for equipment.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 4:21 PM Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

I found this Whitcomb Locomotives ad in the April-July 1935 issue of BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVES magazine.  The South Georgia Ry. boxcar really caught my attention.  I don’t recall ever seeing a photo of a freight car from that road.   Anyone have other photos or information about this car or its sisters? Or any other South Georgia Ry. freight cars? 

 

Here are some web resources about the company:

 

https://hawkinsrails.net/shortlines/sg/sg.html

 

http://www.taplines.net/southgeorgia/sgry1.htm

 

I think Bill Welch would have loved this example from one of the lesser-known “y’all roads.” 

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 

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Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Dave Parker
 

Paul:

My notes indicate that NYC 498000-489499 were only 40-0 over end sills and had 11 stake pockets.

I think it is the 496000-496299 series that is closest to the Red Caboose model (42-1 OL, 12 pockets).  498500-498999 was sort of in between:  40-10 OL, 12 pockets.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Paul Krueger
 

This is the prototype for the Red Caboose 42' flat car, isn't it? Richard's RMJ article has a question mark for the type of trucks used under this series of cars and this photo shows them very well.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1997_1/

Paul
Seattle, WA


Re: South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

mel perry
 

looks brand new or a complete rebuilt?
mel perry

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 1:21 PM Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

I found this Whitcomb Locomotives ad in the April-July 1935 issue of BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVES magazine.  The South Georgia Ry. boxcar really caught my attention.  I don’t recall ever seeing a photo of a freight car from that road.   Anyone have other photos or information about this car or its sisters? Or any other South Georgia Ry. freight cars? 

 

Here are some web resources about the company:

 

https://hawkinsrails.net/shortlines/sg/sg.html

 

http://www.taplines.net/southgeorgia/sgry1.htm

 

I think Bill Welch would have loved this example from one of the lesser-known “y’all roads.” 

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 

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Re: South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Steve,

Cool car! I have an ORER listing from April 1951 which shows one boxar from what I presume is this series. It is South Georgia 1600, an XM: 40' 6" IL, 9' IW, 10' 2 1/4" IH, 12' 1" doors, 3739 cu ft, and 80000 capacity. Their only other cars at that time were two 41' flat cars, numbered 875 and 876, and a 35' 4" flat car numbered 877. 

My 1958 ORER shows the line as a Southern-controlled shortline with no separate listing for equipment.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 4:21 PM Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

I found this Whitcomb Locomotives ad in the April-July 1935 issue of BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVES magazine.  The South Georgia Ry. boxcar really caught my attention.  I don’t recall ever seeing a photo of a freight car from that road.   Anyone have other photos or information about this car or its sisters? Or any other South Georgia Ry. freight cars? 

 

Here are some web resources about the company:

 

https://hawkinsrails.net/shortlines/sg/sg.html

 

http://www.taplines.net/southgeorgia/sgry1.htm

 

I think Bill Welch would have loved this example from one of the lesser-known “y’all roads.” 

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 

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Re: South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

Bill Parks
 

Steve - 

I just checked the Jan 1953 ORER, and, at that time, South GA Railway only had 4 freight cars in interchange service.  They had two 40 ft. flats (#875, 876) and 35 ft. flat (#877) and one 40 ft. box (#1600).  No idea when 1601 got dropped from their inventory.  It will probably take looking into other ORERs between 1935 & 1953.

I know this isn't much info, but maybe it will help.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: SP Transformer Train (1937)

Richard Townsend
 

In the gondola. Notice how they block the view of the framing immediately behind them in the gondola.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Wade <patwadesb@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Transformer Train (1937)

The two horizontal silver colored tanks shown right behind the tender are in the gondola or beyond the gondola?  I can't decide.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: SP Transformer Train (1937)
A photo from the Huntington Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Description:
Magunden Switching Station - Wider shot of Southern Pacific, 2-6-2 steam Locomotive #1781 pulling Transformers and rail-skids for Magunden.
From previous discussions of the flatcars with the transformers, some speculated that the transformers were shipped without oil to reduce the weight on the flatcars. The presence of the tanks cars in this train makes me wonder if this true and the tank cars carried oil for the transformers.
Opinions?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

ROGER HINMAN
 

Looking at the car diagrams, the lead car’s deck measures 50 inches above the top of rail; and the following car’s deck measures 38 3/8 inch above the rail, both coupler center lines are the standard 34 1/2 inches. The loading effects the numbers somewhat but a foot difference is the norm.

Roger Hinman


On Jan 17, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Mike Williams via groups.io <j3a5405@...> wrote:

How will those two cars remained coupled?  The draft gear must be quite out of alignment!


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

ROGER HINMAN
 

You’re probably correct; both cars were built in 1912 when T-section trucks were popular

Roger Hinman

On Jan 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)
A photo from the Huntington Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
T-Section trucks?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Discarded sign...

Tim O'Connor
 


this is the location of the B&M's "Somerville" yard - now a large MBTA facility.

there is next to no carload traffic into Boston or its immediate suburbs anymore


On 1/12/2021 5:53 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
We sometime see images of large loads on flat cars that are accompanied by signs describing the item and letting the world know who the manufacturer was.
 
Ever wonder what happens to those signs after the car is unloaded?
 
Have a look at the lower right corner of this image...
 
 
The sign appears to say "BETHLEHEM STEEL", and possibly "Fabricated Steel" on the line below.
 
Other nice details to notice are the bumping post, with a pair of re-inforcement rails between the running rails, and the one rail on concrete foundation probably for a movable overhead crane. I don't know the Bostan area railroading scene very well, but there appears to be a substantial freight house and/or team tracks in the background
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


South Georgia Railway boxcar #1601

Steven D Johnson
 

I found this Whitcomb Locomotives ad in the April-July 1935 issue of BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVES magazine.  The South Georgia Ry. boxcar really caught my attention.  I don’t recall ever seeing a photo of a freight car from that road.   Anyone have other photos or information about this car or its sisters? Or any other South Georgia Ry. freight cars? 

 

Here are some web resources about the company:

 

https://hawkinsrails.net/shortlines/sg/sg.html

 

http://www.taplines.net/southgeorgia/sgry1.htm

 

I think Bill Welch would have loved this example from one of the lesser-known “y’all roads.” 

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 


Re: Photo: SP Transformer Train (1937)

 

One of the previous photos showed them in the gondola. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jan 17, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Patrick Wade <patwadesb@...> wrote:


The two horizontal silver colored tanks shown right behind the tender are in the gondola or beyond the gondola?  I can't decide.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: SP Transformer Train (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30874/rec/432

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description:

Magunden Switching Station - Wider shot of Southern Pacific, 2-6-2 steam Locomotive #1781 pulling Transformers and rail-skids for Magunden.

From previous discussions of the flatcars with the transformers, some speculated that the transformers were shipped without oil to reduce the weight on the flatcars. The presence of the tanks cars in this train makes me wonder if this true and the tank cars carried oil for the transformers.

Opinions?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: NYC Flat Car S-498123 With Condenser Parts (1924)

Mike Williams
 

How will those two cars remained coupled?  The draft gear must be quite out of alignment!

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