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Re: WP R-30-13-9

Kenneth Montero
 

Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero

On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
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Re: WP R-30-13-9

Andy Cich
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
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I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions


Re: RDG 12343 -- not what I expected

Richard Townsend
 

Double sheathed. Well, yes, there is that.


On Jan 22, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Well, this IS a double sheathed car, and I would surmise that if you removed the exterior sheathing, you’d see the bolts holding the framing for the slope sheets there in the interior sheathing . . .

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RDG 12343 -- not hwat I expected

 

I wonder if they had internal slope sheets. There's no exterior sign of them but it seems they would be necessary in order to clear the car. Maybe the roof hatches, or at least a roof hatch, was big enough for a person to get in to clear the car interior . . . but no external sign of that, either, that I can see.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RDG 12343 -- not hwat I expected

Dave 

 

Roof hatch’s and hopper doors 

Paul Doggett.     England
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 



On 22 Jan 2021, at 21:10, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:



Like the old Arby’s commercial -- Me: “Where’s the Door?”… : “Where’s the Door?”

 

 

Oh….

 

 

 

Dave Nelson


Re: Who manufactured this car?

Kenneth Montero
 

Mike,
 
You most likely are correct regarding the first date of production. I assumed that the HO Seeker info was the first date of production - and we all know the derivation of the word "assume".
 
Ken Montero

On 01/24/2021 11:13 AM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:
 
 
 
Not to pick too many points, Ken & Group, but----
 
I believe this Ulrich 'outside-braced' (sic?) boxcar kit first appeared in late 1940s Model Railroader advertising.  I have not looked for it in my collection but it was out there long before 1960.  I believe the first I purchased was in 1958.  Two of these I used to make my first WAG box car models.  See attached.
 
Regards from cold Grove City in western Penna.  ----  Mike Schleigh
 
On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 10:09:06 PM EST, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Chuck,
 
I believe that is an Ulrich model that first appeared in 1960. See below from  from HO Seeker.com
 
Ken Montero
On 01/23/2021 4:25 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi,

Looking for some help identifying the manufacturer of this model.  The model has wood sides and ends, has white metal bolsters, and has brass pieces that act as roof cross braces (not sure what to call them) and brass z-braces for vertical and diagonal side supports.  I purchased this model many years ago and it has been operating on my layout.  I would like to learn something about it.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
 


Re: WP R-30-13-9

O Fenton Wells
 

Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: WP R-30-13-9

radiodial868
 

Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ

Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


Re: WP R-30-13-9

Paul Doggett
 

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 24 Jan 2021, at 17:58, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Finished up 2, one the recent RCW kit and the other a Red Caboose RC-4231 kit with a Tichy dual center sill riveted built-up underframe.  Pretty similar, each having pros and cons. I like the lower sill rivet detail on the RCW. The RC medallion is slightly oversized (probably the original 1923/1924 size).  
I made a rookie mistake on the RC kit as I didn't install interior bulkheads in the ice hatches (light shines through) and installed them too far open for ventilator service. They would rarely be in the position I modeled. Should be either full laid back open for servicing, full closed for ice service and about halfway open for ventilator service. Picked up on that after the 3rd read through the PFE book.
Speaking of which, the main reason for the post. Tony and all PFE researchers, in 2021 is it still felt that there were some WP reefers made as R-30-12 with Bettendorf UF's? Has any photo's surfaced of any of the 2275 cars with a Bettendorf UF since the PFE bible was authored? Have any car #s on the PFE build sheets noted with R-30-12 show up in photos in the 30 years since?
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Thanks,
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: WP R-30-13-9

O Fenton Wells
 

Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:58 PM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
Finished up 2, one the recent RCW kit and the other a Red Caboose RC-4231 kit with a Tichy dual center sill riveted built-up underframe.  Pretty similar, each having pros and cons. I like the lower sill rivet detail on the RCW. The RC medallion is slightly oversized (probably the original 1923/1924 size).  
I made a rookie mistake on the RC kit as I didn't install interior bulkheads in the ice hatches (light shines through) and installed them too far open for ventilator service. They would rarely be in the position I modeled. Should be either full laid back open for servicing, full closed for ice service and about halfway open for ventilator service. Picked up on that after the 3rd read through the PFE book.
Speaking of which, the main reason for the post. Tony and all PFE researchers, in 2021 is it still felt that there were some WP reefers made as R-30-12 with Bettendorf UF's? Has any photo's surfaced of any of the 2275 cars with a Bettendorf UF since the PFE bible was authored? Have any car #s on the PFE build sheets noted with R-30-12 show up in photos in the 30 years since?

Thanks,
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


WP R-30-13-9

radiodial868
 

Finished up 2, one the recent RCW kit and the other a Red Caboose RC-4231 kit with a Tichy dual center sill riveted built-up underframe.  Pretty similar, each having pros and cons. I like the lower sill rivet detail on the RCW. The RC medallion is slightly oversized (probably the original 1923/1924 size).  
I made a rookie mistake on the RC kit as I didn't install interior bulkheads in the ice hatches (light shines through) and installed them too far open for ventilator service. They would rarely be in the position I modeled. Should be either full laid back open for servicing, full closed for ice service and about halfway open for ventilator service. Picked up on that after the 3rd read through the PFE book.
Speaking of which, the main reason for the post. Tony and all PFE researchers, in 2021 is it still felt that there were some WP reefers made as R-30-12 with Bettendorf UF's? Has any photo's surfaced of any of the 2275 cars with a Bettendorf UF since the PFE bible was authored? Have any car #s on the PFE build sheets noted with R-30-12 show up in photos in the 30 years since?

Thanks,
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Who manufactured this car?

Schleigh Mike
 

Not to pick too many points, Ken & Group, but----

I believe this Ulrich 'outside-braced' (sic?) boxcar kit first appeared in late 1940s Model Railroader advertising.  I have not looked for it in my collection but it was out there long before 1960.  I believe the first I purchased was in 1958.  Two of these I used to make my first WAG box car models.  See attached.

Regards from cold Grove City in western Penna.  ----  Mike Schleigh

On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 10:09:06 PM EST, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:


Chuck,
 
I believe that is an Ulrich model that first appeared in 1960. See below from  from HO Seeker.com
 
Ken Montero

On 01/23/2021 4:25 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi,

Looking for some help identifying the manufacturer of this model.  The model has wood sides and ends, has white metal bolsters, and has brass pieces that act as roof cross braces (not sure what to call them) and brass z-braces for vertical and diagonal side supports.  I purchased this model many years ago and it has been operating on my layout.  I would like to learn something about it.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: is this a top chord reinforcement

Robert Allan
 

Thanks for sharing this lovely photo of a class GML gondola. Lots to take in. This car must some interior loading device based on the bolt heads on the car side. Many cars had Carmer cut levers, however this car has top mounted rod variety.

Lots of general wear and tear.

The Reading Company Technical and HIstorical Society "Bee Line" latest issue (V 41 issues 1 &2 ) has a very nice feature on this car class.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Jim Kinkaid's Freight Car Photos Collection

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here is an update to the Jim Kinkaid Collection on the Pullman Library site.

We have added the A section railroads that were not initially available.

Please be aware that although Smug Mug offers the option of purchasing paper prints at prices not too much higher than what RR photo vendors charge, it was neither Jim's nor our intention to charge for the images.

There is a Download symbol on the left hand side of the screen that will allow you to download the image displayed.


Of course, for Windows users, there is the Right Click - Save As process, as well.

Thanks to Dick Harley for some hand holding!

Please enjoy the collection responsibly.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
Sent: Jan 21, 2021 10:58 AM
To: MFCL@groups.io, RockIslandLines@..., main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc: Bob Webber
Subject: Jim Kinkaid's Freight Car Photos Collection

Back in the days of the Yahoo groups, Jim Kinkaid posted a large number of builder's photos, mostly Pullman Standard, to the files area of the Modern Freight Car list.  It was not possible to migrate those photos to the groups.io platform that our groups have now migrated to.

However, through the efforts of MFCL list owner, Jim Eager and Jim Kinkaid, himself, we are now able to make those photos available again on a Smug Mug site that can be accessed from the Pullman Library website at


Thanks to Bob Webber, the curator of the Pullman Library, for making this possible.

And a special thanks to Jim Kinkaid for adding more photos to the file so that the time period extends back to include car built before the time period of the MFCL.  So, there is a lot of items of interest to freight car fans, including a nice selection of Rock Island cars for folks on that list.

Please take a look and enjoy.

Steve Hile


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 27603

James Brewer
 

N&W Class SH stock car; more info on this class from the NWHS Archives:

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/listdocs/select.php?index=rs&id=1758

Jim Brewer


Re: Who manufactured this car?

Patrick Wade
 

I still run an Ulrich box car. I bought it from Walther's as I recall, in the 1960's. But as I recall the outside Z bracing was pot metal though and not brass. It is one of my favorite models.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 7:09 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Chuck,
 
I believe that is an Ulrich model that first appeared in 1960. See below from  from HO Seeker.com
 
Ken Montero
On 01/23/2021 4:25 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi,

Looking for some help identifying the manufacturer of this model.  The model has wood sides and ends, has white metal bolsters, and has brass pieces that act as roof cross braces (not sure what to call them) and brass z-braces for vertical and diagonal side supports.  I purchased this model many years ago and it has been operating on my layout.  I would like to learn something about it.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Who manufactured this car?

Kenneth Montero
 

Chuck,
 
I believe that is an Ulrich model that first appeared in 1960. See below from  from HO Seeker.com
 
Ken Montero

On 01/23/2021 4:25 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi,

Looking for some help identifying the manufacturer of this model.  The model has wood sides and ends, has white metal bolsters, and has brass pieces that act as roof cross braces (not sure what to call them) and brass z-braces for vertical and diagonal side supports.  I purchased this model many years ago and it has been operating on my layout.  I would like to learn something about it.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 27603

John Holmes
 

Notice that the door opens to the left, not to the right.

John Holmes

On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Livestock Car 27603

A photo from the Virginia Tech Universities Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2776

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Possibly built in 1914.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: is this a top chord reinforcement

mopacfirst
 

That's a partial top chord reinforcement.  This type of reinforcement, using a piece of angle, was pretty common.  It only needed to be partial, not end-to-end, as a rule, because in the center part of the side was where the greatest bending moment was.

Ron Merrick


is this a top chord reinforcement

David
 

Yes, it is an additional angle piece to stiffen the top of the side. Retrofitting this angle was typically done some time after the car was built, but sometimes it was an as-built feature.

David Thompson


Re: Who manufactured this car?

Clark Propst
 

Neat old model in a completely bogus paint scheme. That scheme was introduced in 1952. That type of car would be gone or on it’s way out then. I have an old Varney single sheathed box car in that same paint. As they say Flash sells  ;  ))

Clark Propst

 

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is this a top chord reinforcement

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The link below shows a RDG gondola. Along the top chord, I see an area that has been altered - is this a top chord reinforcement, or is this damage that has not yet been repaired?
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

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