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CB&Q Double Door Outside Braced Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

CB&Q Double Door Outside Braced Boxcar

A photo by Bob Anderson on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/167338649@N03/49578659522/in/album-72157713114728251/

The car number is obscured.

While the picture was taken in 1974 the car does not appear to reflect modifications, at least to my eyes.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Dave Parker
 

My understanding is that these ICC 105A cars dedicated to anhydrous ammonia use were all ~11,000 gallons. This one was 11,313.

Photo is too fuzzy to be certain, but it looks like an AC&F build to me.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Can someone id this model?

Tim O'Connor
 


the end does help - sets the time period prewar to around 1945

12' doors, RP flush roof and 5/5 end - won't be many that fit that profile!



On 2/1/2021 7:02 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:

Here's a photo of the B end, which may help

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/31/21 2:32 p.m., Pierre Oliver wrote:

This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Semi OT: Commercial Car Journal

Brian Rochon
 

Garth,

Indeed.  That is the main reason that I am taking the time to go through 20 years worth of CCJ.  Although the number of images of steam-era freight cars is very limited, it is full of images of the trucks that loaded, unloaded and were carried on those cars.  For those of us who model prior to 1950, photo sources showing era-appropriate lettering and colors for trucks is hard to find.  The attached image of a Diamond T truck from the Feb 1945 issue of CCJ is one example.

 

HathiTrust has downloadable copies of CCJ from 1915 until the end of the period covered by this list (and beyond).

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

 

Friends,

 

That nifty slope-backed van in the upper right is lettered for Wilson's. Addition to a Wilson's meat packing plant scene.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Can someone id this model?

O Fenton Wells
 

Looks like I was wrong, SRR cars ahd 4/5 ends and 7 rung ladders.  And were pretty, just say'in
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 9:02 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
This model is famous in its own right, as I recall, as one of the first models made in resin.  As an O scale model, it was a good show piece, and I recall it being exhibited at Naperville in fairly recent years.  Don't recall who owned it at that time.  In that sense, it didn't really need a prototype, as it was intended to show off the dramatic things that could be done with resin casting.  Sorry I can't be much help with the actual question.

Ron Merrick



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

nyc3001 .
 

It looks like a GA-built car. What was the gallonage?

-Phil


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

That nifty slope-backed van in the upper right is lettered for Wilson's. Addition to a Wilson's meat packing plant scene.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 7:48 AM Brian Rochon <berochon@...> wrote:

Came across this image from the October 1944 issue of the Commercial Car Journal on the HathiTrust website.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

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DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Brian Rochon
 

Came across this image from the October 1944 issue of the Commercial Car Journal on the HathiTrust website.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD


Re: Can someone id this model?

Pierre Oliver
 

Here's a photo of the B end, which may help

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/31/21 2:32 p.m., Pierre Oliver wrote:

This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Can someone id this model?

Marc Simpson
 

I don't think that is a CP car, the 1937-38 cars had 13.5' door openings.  Also had 8 rung ladders.

Marc Simpson 



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Re: Can someone id this model?

mopacfirst
 

This model is famous in its own right, as I recall, as one of the first models made in resin.  As an O scale model, it was a good show piece, and I recall it being exhibited at Naperville in fairly recent years.  Don't recall who owned it at that time.  In that sense, it didn't really need a prototype, as it was intended to show off the dramatic things that could be done with resin casting.  Sorry I can't be much help with the actual question.

Ron Merrick


Re: Can someone id this model?

Rich C
 

Good catch, Tim. Marc Simpson of Sylvan has produced those cars
Rich Christie

On Sunday, January 31, 2021, 07:05:19 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




CP? I dunno really - there were a number of 40 foot double door auto cars built just before WWII and then just after.


On 1/31/2021 2:32 PM, Pierre Oliver wrote:

This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Can someone id this model?

Tim O'Connor
 



CP? I dunno really - there were a number of 40 foot double door auto cars built just before WWII and then just after.


On 1/31/2021 2:32 PM, Pierre Oliver wrote:

This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Can someone id this model?

Rich C
 

I will have to agree with Fenton on the model, being Southern. One of my fellow club cronies and I were discussing Erie 40' double door boxcars for well over a month. The only end door 40' cars had radial roofs, which is inclusive to the 97400-97499. Additionally they had a few series of 40' double door types with Viking roofs. The ends on these varied from Buckeye, Inverse Buckeye and AAR standard, but no end doors. They even had a series of shop modified "raised" roof cars, but again no end doors.

Rich Christie


Re: Can someone id this model?

O Fenton Wells
 

I still think it is a Southern car.  
Just say'in
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 3:53 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Another possible series is ERIE 97400-97499..The attached photo isn’t included in that range.  Again, the diagram’s roof looks nothing like a rectangular panel roof.

 

Most ERIE end door cars were 50’.  When I saw Pierre’s “40 foot” I thought “I don’t think so, but . . .”

 

Further search in ERIE materials, from me, will have to wait ‘til tomorrow.  Busy tonight.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can someone id this model?

 

Erie? Just a wild guess.



On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:



This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

<edmjjcokfndlibdl.jpg>

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Can someone id this model?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Another possible series is ERIE 97400-97499..The attached photo isn’t included in that range.  Again, the diagram’s roof looks nothing like a rectangular panel roof.

 

Most ERIE end door cars were 50’.  When I saw Pierre’s “40 foot” I thought “I don’t think so, but . . .”

 

Further search in ERIE materials, from me, will have to wait ‘til tomorrow.  Busy tonight.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can someone id this model?

 

Erie? Just a wild guess.



On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:



This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

<edmjjcokfndlibdl.jpg>

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Can someone id this model?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, not a BAD guess, Rich, close but no cigar, so far anyway  I have a diagram of ERIE 97250-97399, a 40 tone double door box with end doors, but the roof drawing doesn’t look like a rectangular panel roof.  Of course, equipment diagram books are not to be taken completely seriously about things like roofs . . . The roof is not identified in what might be called the “agate type.”

 

I’ll have to see if I have a photo of this series, but I rather doubt it.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can someone id this model?

 

Erie? Just a wild guess.



On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:



This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

<edmjjcokfndlibdl.jpg>

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Can someone id this model?

Richard Townsend
 

Erie? Just a wild guess.


On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:



This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

<edmjjcokfndlibdl.jpg>

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Can someone id this model?

Pierre Oliver
 

This is Bill Clouser built model of a 40’ DD (12’ opening) auto boxcar with an end door. I can’t for the life of me find a prototype for this car. Any ideas? Raised panel roof, 7/7 ladders wooden running boards...

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Rail Model Journal Modeling PFE Reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I’m afraid that I do not have an answer to RJ’s question on a follow up article.  His post , however, does call attention to the treasure trove of articles that can be found in both the Rail Model Journal
amd Model Railroading magazines that were published about the same time.  Richard Hendrickson was a m major contributor to both magazines.  I ddid not count the number of articles in the magazine
In RJ’s post but it far exceeds anything that we have today.

In my downtime I will pull out a stack of these magazines along with Mainline Modeler.  It’s amazing how many articles I have forgotten that apply to my current projects.  It has been about fifteen years 
since Mainline Modeler ceased publication and nothing has come along to replace these three magazines.

Bill Pardie

On Jan 30, 2021, at 3:55 PM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Was Richard Hendrickson ever able to do the followup article on modeling rebuilt PFE Reefers in the Rail Model Journal?  Here is the initial article on the pre-rebuilt versions with a closing teaser saying that there would be another article, but no luck in finding it so far.
 http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1997_4/
(page 46)
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