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Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Steve SANDIFER
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

In 1955, boxcars. While covered hoppers existed in the 50s, they were used for cement, carbon black, and other heavy commodities that had to be kept dry. In the 60s when larger covered hoppers were permitted, grain hoppers were designed and put into use. But in 1955 boxcars were the norm for shipping grains.

 

I don’t know about peanuts, but in the 50s a machine called a corn sheller was used to remove kernels from the cobs. Combines do that today, but didn’t come into wide spread use until the late 50s and 60s. Until then corn pickers were the norm, and they picked eared corn. The farmer often stored eared corn in open air corn cribs. Or the farmer hired someone who had a sheller to come and shell the corn so it could be stored in a sealed bin, ie a Butler bin. I believe grain elevators also owned corn shellers and could shell the corn as it was brought in for storage or sale, for a processing fee.

 

Corn cobs had many uses. On the farm they might be used in the outhouse, to start a fire, or even for livestock bedding. They are absorbent and also abrasive.  Commercial uses include cosmetic industry. Light sand blasting, animal feed. Furfural and xylose are two chemicals derived from corncobs.

 

Any of the Walthers buildings will work for corn. And perhaps for peanuts. The Feed mill was typically a place that would receive whole grains and additives, then grind the grain with the additives to make feed sold to local livestock raisers. A feed mill would also sell salt and mineral blocks and other animal feeding needs.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:40 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?

Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?

Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?

Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?

I am considering an elevator and mill using the Walthers Prairie Star Elevator and Prairie Star Mill for receiving and processing and the Walthers Prairie Co-Op elevator for originating shipments:

Receiving Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-flour-mill-elevator-prairie-star-elevator-6-3-4-x-6-x-10-quot-empty

Processing Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-prairie-star-milling-kit-8-3-4-x-12-3-4-x-9-3-4-quot-empty

Shipping Elevator:  https://www.waltherscom/prairie-co-op-elevator-kit-5-1-8-x-7-1-4-x-12-quot-13-x-18-4-x-30-4cm?ref=1

Also would the Walthers Sunshine Feed Mill as a destination for dried corn kernels:

Feed Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/sunrise-feed-mill-kit-4-x-15-1-8-x-7-3-4-quot-10-x-37-8-x-19-3cm

Any feedback and input will be appreciated.

Allen Cain


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Tom Madden
 

Thanks, Steve. As I said, it was our honeymoon and everything was rosy. And Ektachromey. 


Tom Madden


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Steve SANDIFER
 

With a little color correction. Tanks Tom.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car Pbotos

 

Here ya go, Bill. Taken at Grand Canyon on our honeymoon, September 1961. The Santa Fe reefer bible says it was formerly a Bx-3, renumbered from the 115xxx series of ice reefers in 1959..

Tom Madden


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Steve SANDIFER
 

Corn cobs were used as animal feed.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of earlyrail
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry
From: Allen Cain
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 15:40:28 PST
<<i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

<<How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?

1955 would be box cars for 99% of grains moved.

 

<<Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?

Corn would be shelled either on the farm of in some case at the elevator.

Would not be shipped by rail on the cob.

 

<<Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?

I do not know this one.

 

<<Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?

There are used today for ground corn cobs.  I do not kow of any from the 50's (except rear end usage:)

Howard Garner

 


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Mont Switzer
 

At the elevator in the small town I grew up in (Indiana 1950's-60's) they shelled corn for farmers.  The corn cobs were gravity fed into a cob burner.  I used to watch the whole operation from the school where I was supposed to be paying attention to other things.  

Mont Switzer

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry
From: Allen Cain
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 15:40:28 PST
<<i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

<<How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?
1955 would be box cars for 99% of grains moved.

<<Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?
Corn would be shelled either on the farm of in some case at the elevator.
Would not be shipped by rail on the cob.

<<Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?
I do not know this one.

<<Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?
There are used today for ground corn cobs.  I do not kow of any from the 50's (except rear end usage:)
Howard Garner


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Douglas Harding
 

In 1955, boxcars. While covered hoppers existed in the 50s, they were used for cement, carbon black, and other heavy commodities that had to be kept dry. In the 60s when larger covered hoppers were permitted, grain hoppers were designed and put into use. But in 1955 boxcars were the norm for shipping grains.

 

I don’t know about peanuts, but in the 50s a machine called a corn sheller was used to remove kernels from the cobs. Combines do that today, but didn’t come into wide spread use until the late 50s and 60s. Until then corn pickers were the norm, and they picked eared corn. The farmer often stored eared corn in open air corn cribs. Or the farmer hired someone who had a sheller to come and shell the corn so it could be stored in a sealed bin, ie a Butler bin. I believe grain elevators also owned corn shellers and could shell the corn as it was brought in for storage or sale, for a processing fee.

 

Corn cobs had many uses. On the farm they might be used in the outhouse, to start a fire, or even for livestock bedding. They are absorbent and also abrasive.  Commercial uses include cosmetic industry. Light sand blasting, animal feed. Furfural and xylose are two chemicals derived from corncobs.

 

Any of the Walthers buildings will work for corn. And perhaps for peanuts. The Feed mill was typically a place that would receive whole grains and additives, then grind the grain with the additives to make feed sold to local livestock raisers. A feed mill would also sell salt and mineral blocks and other animal feeding needs.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?

Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?

Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?

Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?

I am considering an elevator and mill using the Walthers Prairie Star Elevator and Prairie Star Mill for receiving and processing and the Walthers Prairie Co-Op elevator for originating shipments:

Receiving Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-flour-mill-elevator-prairie-star-elevator-6-3-4-x-6-x-10-quot-empty

Processing Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-prairie-star-milling-kit-8-3-4-x-12-3-4-x-9-3-4-quot-empty

Shipping Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/prairie-co-op-elevator-kit-5-1-8-x-7-1-4-x-12-quot-13-x-18-4-x-30-4cm?ref=1

Also would the Walthers Sunshine Feed Mill as a destination for dried corn kernels:

Feed Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/sunrise-feed-mill-kit-4-x-15-1-8-x-7-3-4-quot-10-x-37-8-x-19-3cm

Any feedback and input will be appreciated.

Allen Cain


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

earlyrail
 

Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry
From: Allen Cain
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 15:40:28 PST
<<i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

<<How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?
1955 would be box cars for 99% of grains moved.

<<Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?
Corn would be shelled either on the farm of in some case at the elevator.
Would not be shipped by rail on the cob.

<<Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?
I do not know this one.

<<Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?
There are used today for ground corn cobs.  I do not kow of any from the 50's (except rear end usage:)
Howard Garner


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Tom Madden
 

Here ya go, Bill. Taken at Grand Canyon on our honeymoon, September 1961. The Santa Fe reefer bible says it was formerly a Bx-3, renumbered from the 115xxx series of ice reefers in 1959..

Tom Madden


Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Bob Chaparro
 

Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

I have some flat stainless steel wire I need to paint black. This wire will be used to simulate banding straps used to secure loads.

Any suggestions as to how to paint the wire?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Box Car Pbotos

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


There was an excellent color photo posted yesterday of an in-service MKT yellow auto car.  I am hoping that someone might have a similar photo of a Santa Fe Bx-3 Ice refer ( gray car),  Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie


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Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Lester Breuer
 

Thank You Jerry and Matt.  Jerry another question. Were the cars available with more than one number?
Lester Breuer
 


Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Allen Cain
 

i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?

Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?

Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?

Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?

I am considering an elevator and mill using the Walthers Prairie Star Elevator and Prairie Star Mill for receiving and processing and the Walthers Prairie Co-Op elevator for originating shipments:

Receiving Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-flour-mill-elevator-prairie-star-elevator-6-3-4-x-6-x-10-quot-empty

Processing Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-prairie-star-milling-kit-8-3-4-x-12-3-4-x-9-3-4-quot-empty

Shipping Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/prairie-co-op-elevator-kit-5-1-8-x-7-1-4-x-12-quot-13-x-18-4-x-30-4cm?ref=1

Also would the Walthers Sunshine Feed Mill as a destination for dried corn kernels:

Feed Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/sunrise-feed-mill-kit-4-x-15-1-8-x-7-3-4-quot-10-x-37-8-x-19-3cm

Any feedback and input will be appreciated.

Allen Cain


Re: IM Reefer Production Year

James E Kubanick
 

Lester,

I purchased mine in 1994, according to my records. However mine carries the number 91148 but otherwise is lettered identical to yours.  Did ARRM have these run with more than one road number? If not, my car could actually be an InterMountain Car. I do not have a source in my records, for some reason.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 1:06:10 PM EST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


Working on a NP Steel Reefer 91325 produced by InterMountain exclusively for the Armarillo RR Museum.   I am wondering if anyone has the year in their notes these were available for purchase?  I contacted the museum and they guessed 20 years or so ago.  Hoping to get a year?
Thanks in advance for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer


Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Jerry Michels
 

Lester, the best shot I can take is 1998 or 1999.  We brought out the NP cars at the same time we brought out the PFE reefers.  

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: Sacramento Northern Boxcar 2346

Andy Laurent
 

Bob has a nice album of freight car pics here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/167338649@N03/albums/72157713114728251 

This is a gem with 2 NP and 1 GN stock car...from the steam era, but well after the period of this list:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/167338649@N03/49578385886/in/album-72157713114728251/

Andy L. 
Wisconsin


Re: CB&Q Double Door Outside Braced Boxcar

Rich C
 

Bob, That car was white lined on its way to the good old scrapper. Still looks in decent shape.


Re: Semi OT: Commercial Car Journal

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Mr Groff,

 

You might wish to contact the Pendon Museum (https://pendonmuseum.com).  While they model the English countryside, they might be able to point you to a source for horse-drawn wagons used in Scotland in your period of interest.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, California

 


Re: Semi OT: Commercial Car Journal

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Brian,

Nice van. Great colors.

I did the same sort of project when I worked for the UVA library (on my lunch hours). I scoured journals from a Virginia trucking association and the Southern States co-operative. Sadly, these were all both black-and-white, but I have a nice file of period-appropriate trucks for my 1953 interests. Will I ever get around to modeling them? Probably not.

Now I'm doing the same thing online and through books searching for British horse-drawn delivery vehicles circa 1930 for my Scottish O-scale narrow gauge railway. I have several old Adams/Revell/Glencoe O-scale wagon kits that will be a good parts source.

I have some photos of old junker and clunker trucks, most in color, and some dating from around 1950 and before. I'd be glad to share any of these photos that might be of use to you. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:12 AM Brian Rochon <berochon@...> wrote:

Garth,

Indeed.  That is the main reason that I am taking the time to go through 20 years worth of CCJ.  Although the number of images of steam-era freight cars is very limited, it is full of images of the trucks that loaded, unloaded and were carried on those cars.  For those of us who model prior to 1950, photo sources showing era-appropriate lettering and colors for trucks is hard to find.  The attached image of a Diamond T truck from the Feb 1945 issue of CCJ is one example.

 

HathiTrust has downloadable copies of CCJ from 1915 until the end of the period covered by this list (and beyond).

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

 

Friends,

 

That nifty slope-backed van in the upper right is lettered for Wilson's. Addition to a Wilson's meat packing plant scene.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Richard Townsend
 

11,313 gallons.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

It looks like a GA-built car. What was the gallonage?

-Phil


Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Matt Herson
 

Lester,

According to my records purchased my NP kit 8-13-00.

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

 

Working on a NP Steel Reefer 91325 produced by InterMountain exclusively for the Armarillo RR Museum.   I am wondering if anyone has the year in their notes these were available for purchase?  I contacted the museum and they guessed 20 years or so ago.  Hoping to get a year?
Thanks in advance for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer

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