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Re: Box Car Pbotos

Bill Keene
 

Somehow I seem to have missed seeing the post with this referenced MKT Sloan Yellow auto car. Can someone please provide a link? 

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


There was an excellent color photo posted yesterday of an in-service MKT yellow auto car.  I am hoping that someone might have a similar photo of a Santa Fe Bx-3 Ice refer ( gray car),  Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie


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Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Jerry Michels
 

At the beginning, we did not have a website.  Our sales were primarily advertising in magazines. I know the NP reefers were available in 1998 as kits and 1999 as assembled.  Keep in mind that my information is when we got the cars not a specific date they went on sale.  Thanks Paul for your information!  Jerry Michels


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 870647

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

PRR G22 in “as-built” pre-Circle Keystone P&L.

 

Nice!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 870647

 

Photo: PRR Gondola 870647

A photo from the Nevada Northern Railway website:

https://nnry.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/workspace/handleMediaPlayer?lunaMediaId=NNRY~3~3~182~1169

Built in 1917.

Description:

Advertisement for Pittsburg Steel Brake Shoes from the C.M. Lovsted & Co. of Seattle, Washington.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

John Sykes III
 
Edited

I said it was 50 years ago, so my memory is not the greatest.  But, now that I think about it, I believe the peanut harvest was a two-step process.  First the farmer would plow up the peanuts, which grow underground, and let them dry for a while in the sun.  Then they would come by with something akin to a combine and it would separate the peanuts from the plants and roots and fill a wagon full of the peanuts, leaving the rest on the ground as mulch for next year's crop.


Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29172

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29172

A photo from the Virginia Tech Universities Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2778

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Part of series 29000-29749. Cars were forty-two feet long.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Accurate SP Train Order Signal

Bill J.
 

An authenthic and accurate SP train order signal that can be made to operate!

 

Showcase Miniatures is ‘this close’ to doing one in HO scale.  Modelers, especially SP, need to show interest in this, to offer technical details and drawings, to tell how many they might need for their RRs.  Here’s their contact info:

 

Home (showcaseminiatures.net)  Strange looking URL, but to does work!

 

334.750.3276

 

 

d@...

 

Bill Jolitz


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

rdgbuff56
 

I got mine from Amazon and got free shipping.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 11:59:44 AM EST, Robert J Miller CFA <cajonpass1995@...> wrote:


I agree with you, Nelson. The banding I recall from my lumber yard experience was black and about ¾” wide. If you unwrap paper wrapped lumber bunks, you will find that banding inside holding things together. We also used it to bundle loose lumber being delivered to contractor job sites as those loads were slid off the back of a flatbed truck by tipping the front of the bed up and gently moving the truck forward to slowly slide the load off.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

I use black chart tape for strapping. The brand is Chartpak Graphic Tape, and it comes in 1/64 in., 1/32 in., 3/64 in., which are the sizes most useful in HO scale. Wider tape is available for larger scales. Because charts are produced in software now, it’s hard to find, and I ordered on of each of the above widths online. One roll of each is a lifetime supply unless you’re a commercial builder.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 6:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

Two questions here:

Where did you find/where can I purchase flat stainless steel wire?

When was this first used for securing wood and other loads?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI

 


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Robert J Miller CFA
 

I agree with you, Nelson. The banding I recall from my lumber yard experience was black and about ¾” wide. If you unwrap paper wrapped lumber bunks, you will find that banding inside holding things together. We also used it to bundle loose lumber being delivered to contractor job sites as those loads were slid off the back of a flatbed truck by tipping the front of the bed up and gently moving the truck forward to slowly slide the load off.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

I use black chart tape for strapping. The brand is Chartpak Graphic Tape, and it comes in 1/64 in., 1/32 in., 3/64 in., which are the sizes most useful in HO scale. Wider tape is available for larger scales. Because charts are produced in software now, it’s hard to find, and I ordered on of each of the above widths online. One roll of each is a lifetime supply unless you’re a commercial builder.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 6:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

Two questions here:

Where did you find/where can I purchase flat stainless steel wire?

When was this first used for securing wood and other loads?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI

 


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Nelson Moyer
 

I use black chart tape for strapping. The brand is Chartpak Graphic Tape, and it comes in 1/64 in., 1/32 in., 3/64 in., which are the sizes most useful in HO scale. Wider tape is available for larger scales. Because charts are produced in software now, it’s hard to find, and I ordered on of each of the above widths online. One roll of each is a lifetime supply unless you’re a commercial builder.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 6:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

Two questions here:

Where did you find/where can I purchase flat stainless steel wire?

When was this first used for securing wood and other loads?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI

 


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

John Sykes III
 

Stainless steel is called "stainless" for a reason!  It doesn't hold paint well.  If you give it some "tooth" by rubbing with Scotchbrite first it helps.  The additional problem with wire is that it is flexible, so any paint that's dried will flake off.  Regular model paints won't work.  For painting commercial stainless steel there are special paints that remain flexible but even they don't work very well.  90% of the surviving DeLoreans that were painted are now bare.  They look funky because of the treatment of the stainless to give it some tooth to hold paint.  That's why most DeLoreans were delivered in polished stainless steel.


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

John Sykes III
 

I lived outside of Enterprise, AL for a while in the early 1970's.  Although not the 1955 timeframe we are talking about here, this is what I remember.  There were peanut fields all around us.  Enterprise is the location of the Boll Weevil monument, celebrating when the cotton industry was destroyed by the pest and the local farmers switched to peanuts for their main crop.  Nearby Dothan is the home of the Peanut Festival each (normal) year.

The farmers would harvest the peanuts in the fall into tractor-pulled wagons, which were towed directly from the fields to the local farmers' peanut co-op, where they were shelled, dried and stored in bulk until they were transported to a processing plant in bottom-dump tractor trailers.  The shells were used for animal bedding, garden mulch or were burned to dry the peanuts.  I can't remember for sure, but think that most of the peanuts went to a peanut butter processor in Dothan (Skippy's or Peter Pan, I can't remember which, but a big one).  From there, they would travel to grocery chain warehouses all over the country in insulated boxcars or dry van tractor trailers.  Note that 99% of the processing was done locally in the co-ops and the peanut butter plant within 30 miles or so of Dothan.

Roasted peanuts in the shell or boiled peanuts were sold by the farmers kids in roadside stands all over the place.  That's what I remember from 50 years ago.


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks Bruce. I enjoy eating roasted peanuts, but know very little about the process of getting them to my table.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

Doug,

 

Raw, unshelled peanuts are best stored in cool, dry place. They keep longer in the refrigerator and even longer in the freezer than at room temperature. 

 

How do I know that? I googled "storage of raw peanuts" 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 10:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

 

Interesting, one photo shows sacks of peanuts being stacked inside a reefer. http://photogrammar.yale.edu/photos/service/pnp/fsa/8b23000/8b23300/8b23385v.jpg Did they need to be refrigerated until they had been roasted or boiled?

 

 

 


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Robert J Miller CFA
 

From my experience working in a lumber yard many years ago the steel banding used to secure is steel just not stainless steel. Stainless is much more expensive than standard steel and we just bundled the stuff up and put it in the dumpster.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

Two questions here:

Where did you find/where can I purchase flat stainless steel wire?

When was this first used for securing wood and other loads?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI


Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Paul Krueger
 

The Amarillo RR Museum website was updated on August 7, 2000 and promotes the NP 1949 reefer as their newest car.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001018121110/http://amarillorailmuseum.com/

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Bruce Smith
 

Doug,

Raw, unshelled peanuts are best stored in cool, dry place. They keep longer in the refrigerator and even longer in the freezer than at room temperature. 

How do I know that? I googled "storage of raw peanuts" 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 10:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry
 

Interesting, one photo shows sacks of peanuts being stacked inside a reefer. http://photogrammar.yale.edu/photos/service/pnp/fsa/8b23000/8b23300/8b23385v.jpg Did they need to be refrigerated until they had been roasted or boiled?

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Ray Hutchison
 

Two questions here:

Where did you find/where can I purchase flat stainless steel wire?

When was this first used for securing wood and other loads?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Allen,

Back in the early 1980s when I first came to Virginia I made some jaunts to Suffolk, one of Virginia's main peanut processing centers. The buildings I remember were mostly large early 20th century brick structures. I've attached some photos of the Norfolk, Franklin & Danville (N&W) equipment there which shows some of what I think are peanut plants in the background. I just did a search for "Peanut Suffolk Virginia images" and came up with a number of photos of the processing plants there (as well as a whole lot of extraneous garbage images). I also looked at Google maps for Suffolk. I found Birdsong Peanuts is still in business in what might be a 1950s-era plant, though this is not like the nifty brick buildings in my photos. Planters is there, but it is a sprawling modern tilt-up factory. The Lummis building, which might have been a peanut processor, is also still there, but now shuttered. It seems to be the only large brick building left. You might want to check the Sanborn maps to see how this area, or other peanut processing centers, looked years ago.

In your 1955 era, peanuts would likely have been shipped raw and in bulk using boxcars from rural collection centers, smaller versions of the Birdsong factory. A few I've seen were large corrugated steel buildings with silos. Peanuts would have been dried at places like Suffolk while still in the shell. Then some would have been packed for sale in with their shells, while others were further processed to remove the shells and inner skins, then roasted before being packaged/bagged for wholesale or retail sale.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 6:40 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
i am working on an industry involving milled corn and/or processed peanuts in 1955 in the South.  Could use some help on the concept.

How would peanuts and corn be transported to elevators and mills for processing?  Box cars or covered hoppers?

Where would the corn kernels be separated from the cob and the corn kernels dried?

Where would the peanuts be separated from the shells?

Would there be a by-product use for the cobs and/or peanut shells and if so, how would they be transported?

I am considering an elevator and mill using the Walthers Prairie Star Elevator and Prairie Star Mill for receiving and processing and the Walthers Prairie Co-Op elevator for originating shipments:

Receiving Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-flour-mill-elevator-prairie-star-elevator-6-3-4-x-6-x-10-quot-empty

Processing Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/cornerstone-series-r-prairie-star-milling-kit-8-3-4-x-12-3-4-x-9-3-4-quot-empty

Shipping Elevator:  https://www.walthers.com/prairie-co-op-elevator-kit-5-1-8-x-7-1-4-x-12-quot-13-x-18-4-x-30-4cm?ref=1

Also would the Walthers Sunshine Feed Mill as a destination for dried corn kernels:

Feed Mill:  https://www.walthers.com/sunrise-feed-mill-kit-4-x-15-1-8-x-7-3-4-quot-10-x-37-8-x-19-3cm

Any feedback and input will be appreciated.

Allen Cain


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

np328
 

Of the boxcar / covered hopper question, of the 1955 era, I will side with Doug on boxcars.
All AFE's for my researched railroad prior to, I will say the 1960s, had the justifications for covered hopper purchases tied into specific industries and so closed loop travels.   
           Other may differ for their railroad.                                                                                                                                                                   Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Robert kirkham
 

I can’t speak from experience with stainless, but on the Youtube “Nightshift” channel, I saw a recommendation for Mr. Metal Primer.    I bought a bottle but haven’t done much with it yet.

Rob Kirkham


On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?
I have some flat stainless steel wire I need to paint black. This wire will be used to simulate banding straps used to secure loads.
Any suggestions as to how to paint the wire?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: IM Steel NP Reefer Production Year

Jerry Michels
 

Lester, you have the info so this is kind of a repeat. Yes we always work with the manufacturer to get multiple numbers.  Usually it is six, but has gone as high as 12.  One reason we do little to no Athearn is that they will only do one number on 600 cars.  We can't handle thousands of cars.  We did a run of Athearn airslide covered hoppers, but got them without numbers and had decals made so the buyer could appuy their own.  They sold slowly.  Way back we contracted with Kadee to do their PS-2 covered hopper for the SP with red lettering.  At that time, Kadee only allowed two numbers per run.  Shortly afterwards they did a run of the same cars for an historical society (who, I can't remember) with I think four or six numbers.  I can't confirm, but we may have been their fits non-dealer customer.  I remember some conversations kind of pointed that way.  It has been a fun  experience, and Lester got me off the dime to do our custom car history.  It still needs some updating.  Most models are sold out. What's left are on our website.

Jerry Michels

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