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Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

earlyrail
 

There is a link

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Howard Garner



Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Townsend
 

Well, there's a difference between ATSF and SFRD. That could explain the differing abbreviations.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Most of the books I have are from Kansas.  Interesting
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
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Steve out west everyone I knew of used AT for Santa Fe on switch lists and most paperwork.
Charlie Slater
 
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Conductors on the ATSF usually use “A” for ATSF and “RD” for SFRD.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
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Richard,

Can we assume that "RD" in the three character initial column is short for SFRD?

Dennis Storzek


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Steve SANDIFER
 

Most of the books I have are from Kansas.  Interesting

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of charles slater
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Steve out west everyone I knew of used AT for Santa Fe on switch lists and most paperwork.

Charlie Slater

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve SANDIFER <stevesandifer@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

 

Conductors on the ATSF usually use “A” for ATSF and “RD” for SFRD.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

 

Richard,

Can we assume that "RD" in the three character initial column is short for SFRD?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: National Car Co. Flat Car 1466 With Milk Tank Container

Dennis Storzek
 

These are both technically passenger cars, same as express reefers are. Note the photo of the second car shows the end, which has a buffer and steam and signal lines, and marker brackets on the corner handrail post. Can't tell exactly what the brake system is, but it's more complex than AB.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29172

James Brewer
 

These cars were built from N&W Class BL and BLa boxcars; NWHS Archives containes:

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/listdocs/select.php?index=rs&id=90

Jim Brewer


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Mont Switzer
 

Jack,

Good point. I don't know how many pairs of blue jeans I've torn up crossing barbed wire fences in my younger days, but never took note of which side the wire was stapled to the posts.

Inbound traffic for the elevators on my layout include fence posts and galvanized fencing wire.

Mont
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Jack Burgess [jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:08 PM
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Brian...

I made my own barbed wire but whatever you do, be sure to install it
correctly. I did an article on my fence and a reader pointed out that I had
the wire on the wrong side of the posts. It always goes on the side with the
animals...I didn't make that mistake again!

Jack Burgess

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

At St. Louis or Cocoa in years past I seem to recall a vendor that had HO
scale barbed wire and possibly even a tool to string it. Does anyone recall
the vendor I am talking about? I think it was one of the 3D rapid
prototyping vendors.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Jack Burgess
 

Brian...

I made my own barbed wire but whatever you do, be sure to install it
correctly. I did an article on my fence and a reader pointed out that I had
the wire on the wrong side of the posts. It always goes on the side with the
animals...I didn't make that mistake again!

Jack Burgess

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Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

At St. Louis or Cocoa in years past I seem to recall a vendor that had HO
scale barbed wire and possibly even a tool to string it. Does anyone recall
the vendor I am talking about? I think it was one of the 3D rapid
prototyping vendors.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

charles slater
 

Steve out west everyone I knew of used AT for Santa Fe on switch lists and most paperwork.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines
 

Conductors on the ATSF usually use “A” for ATSF and “RD” for SFRD.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

 

Richard,

Can we assume that "RD" in the three character initial column is short for SFRD?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Pierre Oliver
 

Dimensional Modeling Concepts
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I bought one of their devices, and LOVE it. Makes a difficult job easy.
I'll be talking about it in my clinic next Hindsight

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 2/02/21 5:44 p.m., Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
At St. Louis or Cocoa in years past I seem to recall a vendor that had HO scale barbed wire and possibly even a tool to string it. Does anyone recall the vendor I am talking about? I think it was one of the 3D rapid prototyping vendors.

Brian J. Carlson




Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Steve SANDIFER
 

Conductors on the ATSF usually use “A” for ATSF and “RD” for SFRD.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

 

Richard,

Can we assume that "RD" in the three character initial column is short for SFRD?

Dennis Storzek


Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Brian Carlson
 

At St. Louis or Cocoa in years past I seem to recall a vendor that had HO scale barbed wire and possibly even a tool to string it. Does anyone recall the vendor I am talking about? I think it was one of the 3D rapid prototyping vendors.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Remiarz
 

Thanks Richard.

 

Rich Remiarz

 

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From: Richard Wilkens
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:14 PM
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Had a request for St. Cloud, MN, here they are.

Richard Wilkens

 


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Douglas Harding
 

Thank you Richard.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wilkens
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I had a request for the M&StL interchanges and here they are.

Richard Wilkens


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Wilkens
 

Had a request for St. Cloud, MN, here they are.

Richard Wilkens


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Wilkens
 

I had a request for the M&StL interchanges and here they are.

Richard Wilkens


Photo: National Car Co. Flat Car 1466 With Milk Tank Container

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: National Car Co. Flat Car 1466 With Milk Tank Container

A photo from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-N-Q/i-QN4SFCC/A

This photo can be enlarged. Use the down arrow to the left to download the photo.

Renken's milk container.

Notice the trucks. Unlike sister car 1435, these are Allied Full Cushion trucks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: National Car Co. Flat Car 1435 With Milk Tank Container

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: National Car Co. Flat Car 1435 With Milk Tank Container

A photo from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-N-Q/i-LHG3Fmg/A

This photo can be enlarged. Use the down arrow to the left to download the photo.

Abbotts milk containers.

Notice the trucks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Dennis Storzek
 

Richard,

Can we assume that "RD" in the three character initial column is short for SFRD?

Dennis Storzek


1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Wilkens
 

This past weekend the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive (PNRA) at Burien, WA processed a donation of a study made by the Great Northern. This study covered perishable carload traffic in 1954 for cars either forwarded to or received from railroads on the eastern lines of the GN from Minot, ND eastward. The study reviewed the costs of these interchanges which in some cases the GN thought should have been partially paid for by the connecting railroads. In the study are forms showing the specific cars, commodities, origins, destinations, costs for icing, heaters, inspections, and more. The heaviest interchange traffic occurred at Minneapolis.

In 1954 not all connecting stations had perishable cars connecting with other railroads and the list below lists the stations where interchanges took place during the year. I have posted a pdf file of a letter that was attached to the study and also scans of the cars interchanged from the GN to the Soo Line and cars received from the Soo Line to the GN. If you are interested in specific stations noted below we can provide scans.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY COMPANY

ANALYSIS OF PERISHABLE CARLOADS RECEIVED IN INTERCHANGE FROM CONNECTING LINES AT ALL JUNCTION POINTS ON EASTERN DISTRICT FOR DELIVERY TO GREAT NORTHERN INDUSTRIES DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR 1954

ANALYSIS OF PERISHABLE CARLOADS DELIVERED IN INTERCHANGE TO CONNECTING LINES AT THE SAME POINTS DURING THE SAME PERIOD FOR INDUSTRIES LOCATED ON THEIR TRACKS

The following are the locations where perishable cars were either delivered to other railroads, received from other railroads or both for GN stations from Minot, ND eastward:

Aberdeen, SD – GN to Milwaukee Road

Bemidji, MN – GN to NP

Duluth, MN – GN to CStPM&O

Devils Lake, ND – Soo Line to GN

Fargo, ND – NP to GN

Fargo, ND – GN to NP

Fargo, ND – GN to Milwaukee Road

Fergus Falls, MN – NP to GN

Grafton, ND – GN to NP

Grand Forks, ND – NP to GN

Huron, SD – GN to C&NW

Marshall, MN – C&NW to GN

Marshall, MN – GN to C&NW

Moorhead, MN – NP to GN

Minneapolis, MN – NP to GN

Minneapolis, MN – CRI&P to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to CRI&P

Minneapolis, MN – Milwaukee Road to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to Milwaukee Road

Minneapolis, MN – CStPM&O to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to CStPM&O

Minneapolis, MN – Soo Line to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to Soo Line

Minneapolis, MN – M&StL to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to M&StL

Minneapolis, MN – CGW to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to CGW

Minneapolis, MN – MN&S to GN

Minneapolis, MN – GN to MN&S

Minneapolis, MN – Minnesota Western to GN

Minot, ND – Soo Line to GN

Minot, ND – GN to Soo Line

Pipestone, MN – GN to CRI&P

St. Cloud, MN – NP to GN

St. Paul, MN – NP to GN

St. Paul, MN – GN to NP

St. Paul, MN – CRI&P to GN

St. Paul, MN – GN to CRI&P

St. Paul, MN – Milwaukee Road to GN

St. Paul, MN – GN to Milwaukee Road

St. Paul, MN – CStPM&O to GN

St. Paul, MN – GN to CStPM&O

St. Paul, MN – GN to Soo Line

St. Paul, MN – M&StL to GN

Sioux Falls, SD – Milwaukee Road to GN

Sioux Falls, SD – GN to Milwaukee Road

Sioux Falls, SD – Illinois Central to GN

Sioux Falls, SD – CRI&P to GN

Sioux Falls, SD – GN to CRI&P

Sioux Falls, SD – CStPM&O to GN

Sioux Falls, SD – GN to CStPM&O

Sioux City, IA – Milwaukee Road to GN

Sioux City, IA – CStPM&O to GN

Sioux City, IA – C&NW to GN

Sioux City, IA – Illinois Central to GN

Thief River Falls, MN – Soo Line to GN

Thief River Falls, MN – GN to Soo Line

Wadena, MN – GN to NP

Wahpeton, ND – NP to GN

Watertown, SD – GN to C&NW


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Bill Keene
 

Somehow I seem to have missed seeing the post with this referenced MKT Sloan Yellow auto car. Can someone please provide a link? 

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


There was an excellent color photo posted yesterday of an in-service MKT yellow auto car.  I am hoping that someone might have a similar photo of a Santa Fe Bx-3 Ice refer ( gray car),  Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie


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