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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
ed_mines
Around 1981 I worked in a factory where we got it in bags and large cardboard boxes lined with plastic film. It had very light density.
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Des Plaines SOO caboose
Clark Propst
I have a friend in need of a Centralia Hobbies SOO Line wood caboose model. Does anyone have a model they are willing to part with?
Thanks, Clark Propst
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HO Models for sale
Continuing to consolidate, rationalize, and I decided to backdate slightly (Not as far as Ray Breyer wants me too) so I have some freight cars for sale. List is mostly plastic with some resin. contact me off-list at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com if you'd like the list.
Brian J Carlson Cheektowaga NY
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RCW update
Eric Hansmann
An update on Resin Car Works order processing has been posted on our blog. Don’t miss the upcoming kit teasers.
http://blog.resincarworks.com/rcw-vacation/ Eric Hansmann RCW web guy
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Re: carbon black product
Ray Hutchison
Carbon black (subtypes are acetylene black, channel black, furnace black, lamp black andthermal black) is a material produced by the incomplete combustion of heavy petroleum products such as FCC tar, coal tar, or ethylene cracking tar. Carbon black is a form of paracrystalline carbonthat has a high surface-area-to-volume ratio, albeit lower than that of activated carbon. It is dissimilar to soot in its much higher surface-area-to-volume ratio and significantly lower (negligible and non-bioavailable) polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) content. However, carbon black is widely used as a model compound for diesel soot for diesel oxidation experiments.[2][better source needed] Carbon black is mainly used as a reinforcing filler in tires and other rubber products. In plastics, paints, and inks, carbon black is used as a color pigment.[3] The current International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) evaluation is that, "Carbon black is possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B)".[4] Short-term exposure to high concentrations of carbon black dust may produce discomfort to the upper respiratory tract, through mechanical irritation.
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Re: Congratulations to Clark
Jared Harper
. . .and a Santa Fe box car at that.8>)
Jared Harper
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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944
The two tank cars are very close in size - 11053 gallons vs 11313 gallons. I don't know why one has 6 segments and the other 7, but the difference in gallons may not be related to the length of the tanks. A very small difference in diameter could do that.
On 2/5/2021 11:10 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
I think the Atlas car is different because it has a six-course tank instead of a seven-course tank as in the photo of DUPX 3257. Also, the tank looks longer than the Atlas tank. The Atlas car also has a welded underframe as opposed to a riveted underframe. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944
nyc3001 .
I think the Atlas car is different because it has a six-course tank instead of a seven-course tank as in the photo of DUPX 3257. Also, the tank looks longer than the Atlas tank. The Atlas car also has a welded underframe as opposed to a riveted underframe.
3257 reminds me a little bit of the OMI 3028 ACF tank though the Overland model's prototype is about 10 years older and has no dome platform. -Phil
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
Carbon black was produced in large quantities in TX-OK-NM area served by the ATSF from natural gas feedstock. Distances for commodities is almost meaningless - it's just about the delivered cost. :-)
On 2/5/2021 6:58 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944
Nearly the same size and type of cars (#254 and #3257) - SHPX had a huge number (many hundreds) of these cars Note the built date on the prototype (#3257) is 1948. The Atlas car seems like a reasonable facsimile of the real one, and the model number is valid and evidently so is the paint & lettering.
On 2/5/2021 6:05 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
 ICC105A300W ACF-1948 DupontDeNemours.jpg)
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Re: Pullman Standard Door comparisons
Makes you wonder huh? I mean Kadee is usually -so- meticulous in their tooling but they have made their exaggerated PS-1 doors over and over again. Sad. :-\
On 2/5/2021 2:52 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Box Car Pbotos
Scott
Bill, it was in the resin building group.
Scott McDonald
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
mopacfirst
There was a big Cabot plant just west of Pampa, Texas, served by Santa Fe. Probably other carbon black plants nearby, since there was plenty of gas.
One other plant that used natural gas as a feedstock was a big Celanese plant, also just west of Pampa but on the opposite side of the main line from Cabot. One of its main products was acetic acid. Although this plant was started in 1952 on natural gas, in the late 70s it added a coal-fired power plant which took unit coal trains inbound. That had the benefit of freeing more natural gas for feedstock. There was quite a bit of traffic in Celanese tank cars to and from this plant and the other Celanese plants in the Houston area (Bayport and Clear Lake) served by SP, and in south Texas, at Bishop, served by the MoPac. Ron Merrick
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Rick,
Thanks Rick for the info. Wow, delivered to New Jersey in ATSF boxcars
- I wonder where the cars were loaded? If loaded on the ATSF, that seems
like a long distance to haul carbon black...
Claus Schlund
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
rdietrichson
Claus, Rick Dietrichson ----------------------------------------- From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)"To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Cc: Sent: Friday February 5 2021 5:43:46PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior... Thanks Garth!
Claus Schlund
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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944
Dave Parker
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)They have, but it looks like an imperfect match: http://archive.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho11ktankers/0913/20002647_TQ.jpg -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Thanks Garth!
Claus Schlund
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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Claus, Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
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Re: Tool Improvement
UMM-USA also offers the ST-150mm bender that incorporates most of the improvements you suggest … a spring-loaded jaw and knurled knobs. It also features a number of different-width and odd shaped bending jaws on the opposite face of the reversible main bending jaw.
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Re: FS - Last Four Resin Kits in my HO scale kits box
Thank you, all kits have found new homes.
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