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Re: carbon black product

Ray Hutchison
 

Carbon black (subtypes are acetylene blackchannel blackfurnace blacklamp black andthermal black) is a material produced by the incomplete combustion of heavy petroleum products such as FCC tar, coal tar, or ethylene cracking tar. Carbon black is a form of paracrystalline carbonthat has a high surface-area-to-volume ratio, albeit lower than that of activated carbon. It is dissimilar to soot in its much higher surface-area-to-volume ratio and significantly lower (negligible and non-bioavailable) polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) content. However, carbon black is widely used as a model compound for diesel soot for diesel oxidation experiments.[2][better source needed] Carbon black is mainly used as a reinforcing filler in tires and other rubber products. In plastics, paints, and inks, carbon black is used as a color pigment.[3]

The current International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) evaluation is that, "Carbon black is possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B)".[4] Short-term exposure to high concentrations of carbon black dust may produce discomfort to the upper respiratory tract, through mechanical irritation.


Re: Congratulations to Clark

Jared Harper
 

. .  .and a Santa Fe box car at that.8>)

Jared Harper


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Tim O'Connor
 


The two tank cars are very close in size - 11053 gallons vs 11313 gallons. I don't know why
one has 6 segments and the other 7, but the difference in gallons may not be related to the length
of the tanks. A very small difference in diameter could do that.




On 2/5/2021 11:10 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
I think the Atlas car is different because it has a six-course tank instead of a seven-course tank as in the photo of DUPX 3257. Also, the tank looks longer than the Atlas tank. The Atlas car also has a welded underframe as opposed to a riveted underframe.

3257 reminds me a little bit of the OMI 3028 ACF tank though the Overland model's prototype is about 10 years older and has no dome platform.

-Phil



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

nyc3001 .
 

I think the Atlas car is different because it has a six-course tank instead of a seven-course tank as in the photo of DUPX 3257. Also, the tank looks longer than the Atlas tank. The Atlas car also has a welded underframe as opposed to a riveted underframe.

3257 reminds me a little bit of the OMI 3028 ACF tank though the Overland model's prototype is about 10 years older and has no dome platform.

-Phil


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Tim O'Connor
 


Carbon black was produced in large quantities in TX-OK-NM area served by the ATSF
from natural gas feedstock. Distances for commodities is almost meaningless - it's just about
the delivered cost. :-)


On 2/5/2021 6:58 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi Rick,
 
Thanks Rick for the info. Wow, delivered to New Jersey in ATSF boxcars - I wonder where the cars were loaded? If loaded on the ATSF, that seems like a long distance to haul carbon black...
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Tim O'Connor
 


Nearly the same size and type of cars (#254 and #3257) - SHPX had a huge number
(many hundreds) of these cars

Note the built date on the prototype (#3257) is 1948. The Atlas car seems like a
reasonable facsimile of the real one, and the model number is valid and evidently so
is the paint & lettering.


On 2/5/2021 6:05 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)
They have, but it looks like an imperfect match:

http://archive.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho11ktankers/0913/20002647_TQ.jpg
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman Standard Door comparisons

Tim O'Connor
 


Makes you wonder huh? I mean Kadee is usually -so- meticulous in their tooling but they
have made their exaggerated PS-1 doors over and over again. Sad.

:-\

On 2/5/2021 2:52 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
2 Pullman standard doors in HO and one prototype photo.



Kadee door from about 10 years ago   Prototype PS-1 door                           Kurtz Kraft door (early 60s)

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:57:11 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Scott
 

Bill, it was in the resin building group.

Scott McDonald 


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

mopacfirst
 

There was a big Cabot plant just west of Pampa, Texas, served by Santa Fe.  Probably other carbon black plants nearby, since there was plenty of gas. 

One other plant that used natural gas as a feedstock was a big Celanese plant, also just west of Pampa but on the opposite side of the main line from Cabot.  One of its main products was acetic acid.  Although this plant was started in 1952 on natural gas, in the late 70s it added a coal-fired power plant which took unit coal trains inbound.  That had the benefit of freeing more natural gas for feedstock.

There was quite a bit of traffic in Celanese tank cars to and from this plant and the other Celanese plants in the Houston area (Bayport and Clear Lake) served by SP, and in south Texas, at Bishop, served by the MoPac.

Ron Merrick


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Rick,
 
Thanks Rick for the info. Wow, delivered to New Jersey in ATSF boxcars - I wonder where the cars were loaded? If loaded on the ATSF, that seems like a long distance to haul carbon black...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson

-----------------------------------------

From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Friday February 5 2021 5:43:46PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Hansmann
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

rdietrichson
 

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson

-----------------------------------------

From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Friday February 5 2021 5:43:46PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Hansmann
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Dave Parker
 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)
They have, but it looks like an imperfect match:

http://archive.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho11ktankers/0913/20002647_TQ.jpg
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Tool Improvement

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

UMM-USA also offers the ST-150mm bender that incorporates most of the improvements you suggest … a spring-loaded jaw and knurled knobs. It also features a number of different-width and odd shaped bending jaws on the opposite face of the reversible main bending jaw.

Dan Mitchell
=========

On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

A tool purchased to help improve our freight car modeling works well; however, someone makes an improvement to it to make it work even better or easier to use.  The UMM-USA bender used to bend photo etched ladder stiles is one such tool I purchased.  If you are interested in seeing an easy to make improvement to the UMM-USA bender to make it easier to use, photos and writeup are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



Re: FS - Last Four Resin Kits in my HO scale kits box

Ross Dando
 

Thank you, all kits have found new homes.


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

Allen Cain
 

As a teen in the early 1970's to earn money for college, I worked in the Kelly Springfield tire plant in Fayetteville, NC.  My job was running a Banbury which is where the various types of rubber are compounded and mixed with carbon black.  On occasion, there would be a blow back from the loading hopper spewing a cloud of carbon black back onto the operator, me.  Mixed with sweat, it coated your body with a greasy black coating.  The only way to get it off of your skin was to shower using dishwashing detergent and even that left some, particularly around your eyes (PPE was unheard of even then).

The company sponsored an open house for employees' families one day.  My mother and father walked right up to me and did not recognize me thinking that I was a Black American (forgive me if this is not the PC term these days, back then the correct term was Afro American and I am not trying to start anything).  And FYI, I am Caucasian.

Probably still have some in my lungs!

Allen Cain


Re: Congratulations to Clark

Jeffrey White
 

The post office finally got around to delivering my copy today.  I look forward to reading the article tonight.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 2/5/2021 10:11 AM, Clark Propst wrote:
Thanks, I sent them a few more photos than printed. This one is my favorite, probably wasn't used because it featured a box car instead of an engine?
Clark Propst


Pullman Standard Door comparisons

Andy Carlson
 

2 Pullman standard doors in HO and one prototype photo.

Inline image

Kadee door from about 10 years ago   Prototype PS-1 door                           Kurtz Kraft door (early 60s)

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:57:11 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: The Doors

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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