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Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tim O'Connor
 


I joined the Facebook "Athearn blue box" group for the same reason - many inexperienced modelers
and lots of enthusiasm - I don't know (or care) about their ages but many of them seem young at heart. :-)
Good modelers are made, not born that way - pass on what we've learned - and remember it's fun.


On 2/8/2021 4:51 PM, CJ Riley via groups.io wrote:
I belong to the NMRA Facebook group and the posts age rife with questions from beginners, many obviously young because they want answers from the net and not from books or magazines. And they usually get proper and complete answers although there are often differences of opinion.  They also love to post photos of their latest bargains found on eBay or at train shows. While I am older than probably 95% of the hobby, it seems to be in good hands, just different approaches.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Brian Termunde
 

Bob;
It's nice to hear some good news among all the negative! Thanks for sharing both of this cheerful items as well as all of the other nuggets you are so generous in sharing. Especially the Barringer photos, it was wonderful to see the photos of the Grand Canyon (where I started my career in the hospitality industry 30 years ago) and at William, Ariz.! Thanks ever so much!


Take care, 


Brian


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

maynard stowe
 

I just stopped by at East Deerfield, Mass after getting my car washed. Not much going on; there was a young guy - late teens/ ear twenties - standing taking pictures for at least 20 minutes. It was 27 degrees out; I don't think the hobby is dead yet.
Maynard Stowe 


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Richard Townsend
 

I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

L - Lawrenceville, IL
J - Jacksonville, FL
P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with
 
EC
 
which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location
 
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P
 
Multiple times in the same set of stencils
 
Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.
 
Thanks a bunch.
 
Steve Hile


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

CJ Riley
 

I belong to the NMRA Facebook group and the posts age rife with questions from beginners, many obviously young because they want answers from the net and not from books or magazines. And they usually get proper and complete answers although there are often differences of opinion.  They also love to post photos of their latest bargains found on eBay or at train shows. While I am older than probably 95% of the hobby, it seems to be in good hands, just different approaches.




Re: Jon MIller - sad news

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

    I will certainly miss Jon and his trademark fedora. He often contributed to this list, as experienced members will remember. He was a fixture at Pacific Coast Region events and always an interesting person to talk modeling with. I enjoyed his stories and his respect for the hobby's pioneers. Another friend departed.

Tony Thompson




Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Old guys (like us, now) have been crying about the death of the hobby since I was a child.

Very true. In this context, I always mention the editorial in _Model Railroader_ in the early 1950s, a period when MR surveyed its members every year or two. They had noted that the average age in the previous few years had been increasing, and concluded that the hobby only had a few years to run -- unless we all started vigorously recruiting the young. Sound familiar?

Tony Thompson




Re: Jon MIller - sad news

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Tom, so sorry to hear.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:08 PM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

 

Another good one, gone too soon.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Jon MIller - sad news

 

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden


Jon MIller - sad news

Tom Madden
 

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ron


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:46 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Advice from somebody who can't see reds very well --

I have four Sunshine Frisco cars that will soon be ready to paint.  The Sunshine instructions (based on Floquil) suggest a color similar to oxide red.  I would probably use Scalecoat II oxide red or boxcar red #3.  But I'd be really happy to hear from somebody else with more experience or capability than I.  I do know I had seen a couple of the 32000 series cars still around, about 1970, and I think that oxide-ish color is what my photo showed.  Could have been fading, since this is a small sample size.  

Ron Merrick



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Hile wrote:

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations. . .
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P

  GATC had a repair plant at Colton, California, likely the "C". I have seen photos of GA tank cars with either C or COLN on them.

Tony Thompson




Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Adams wrote:

PFE was responsible for maintenance motors and fan belts in 1971-72. I worked the PFE payables desk during that period and processed many payments to outside vendors for rewinding burned out motors and replacement fan belts. By 1973 ice services were being wound down but top ice and fans were still specified on a lot of ice car loads. 

    Do you mean the onboard motors and drive belts in the PFE car? The question was about the motors that shippers kept in their facility to use with the original mechanical fans.

Tony Thompson




Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Ken Adams
 

PFE was responsible for maintenance motors and fan belts in 1971-72. I worked the PFE payables desk during that period and processed many payments to outside vendors for rewinding burned out motors and replacement fan belts. By 1973 ice services were being wound down but top ice and fans were still specified on a lot of ice car loads. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


GATC reweight station symbols

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with

 

EC

 

which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location

 

But I also see

 

L

J

C

P

 

Multiple times in the same set of stencils

 

Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.

 

Thanks a bunch.

 

Steve Hile


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

mopacfirst
 

Advice from somebody who can't see reds very well --

I have four Sunshine Frisco cars that will soon be ready to paint.  The Sunshine instructions (based on Floquil) suggest a color similar to oxide red.  I would probably use Scalecoat II oxide red or boxcar red #3.  But I'd be really happy to hear from somebody else with more experience or capability than I.  I do know I had seen a couple of the 32000 series cars still around, about 1970, and I think that oxide-ish color is what my photo showed.  Could have been fading, since this is a small sample size.  

Ron Merrick


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Steve SANDIFER
 

Our club here in Houston is helping sponsor a model railroad club at a local middle school. The kids are building modules and learning how to do things. We include them on our layout tour and support their annual train show.  

 

At our train show, you can purchase all the blue box and equivalent cars with Kadees that you want for $5. With the deaths of owners of large railroads, the local market is saturated with quality equipment and the only way to sell it is to sell it cheap. So if you don’t require the latest greatest, there is a very large supply of affordable equipment available.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98. Not everyone starts out with super detailed RTR $50 cars. In fact almost no one does. As a married grad student, I started with a Bachmann train set, followed by a bunch of Tyco train set cars and Athearn kits. Today I still purchase Accurail kits. Why? Because they are cheap and durable, which is great for building a fleet for operations.

 

I have people younger than me asking for advice on how to get started with track, engines, cars, etc. No they don’t have lots of money, but with judicious purchasing at swap meets and hobby shops that deal with used items anyone can get a good start. With some guidance from someone “who has been there” and who knows what is good and what is not, a new person can stretch those dollars. And let us not forget the large number of “estates” that are starting to show up on the market. One hobby shop I frequent has been purchasing estates and has used track, engines and cars at prices that a beginner can afford. Later that hobby shop will sell new items to that same repeat customer.

 

It is up to each of us experienced modelers to share our expertise and mentor those who are interested. When was the last time you showed someone how to assemble an Athearn or Accurail boxcar? The grab irons and brake detail can wait for later, after you have showed them how to drill holes in plastic and wood.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.

 

Dave Nelson

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16456?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,railMaster,20,2,0,80172809

And a story about Walthers:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16443?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,walthers,20,2,0,80172809

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: End stiles

Clark Propst
 

Dave nice Dave! Way to fiddly for me.

Clark Propst

 

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Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Mark Rossiter
 

Dave, I respectfully disagree with your position.  Our local model railroad club has at least a half-dozen members under the age of 20 and they are very enthusiastic about the hobby.  Most are active railfans as well.  The big difference as I see it is they are more interested in operations (running trains) than they are in building models.  Yes, some add super details to their equipment, but for the most part they buy RTR.  Somehow they seem to be able to afford the latest in sound-equipped DCC locomotives and highly detailed freight cars.  One young member is starting to amass a sizeable collection of brass steam locomotives.  He is not a rich kid, so I suspect he prefers saving his money for models over X-box games and $300 sneakers.

 

This is all anecdotal, of course, but I don’t see the hobby as dying, just changing. 

 

Mark Rossiter   

 

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Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Brian Carlson
 

Around 1988, I saved my allowance and did chores for a couple of months in order to afford an atlas RS 11 at $45. Even then I was modeling the steam era.  Today that same locomotive would be $100 accounting for inflation. If you shop around you can get decent locomotives for that price or less. Heck even Bachmann with DCC can be had around that price  We tend to forget inflation when looking back.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 02:30 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98.
Well, we try. The real problem, as I see it, is the disappearance of $40 locomotives to pull those cars.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.

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