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Re: Pacific Electric

Dave Nelson
 

Everything created on or before Dec 31, 1925 is in the public domain.

FWIW, Public Domain Day (the name is my idea) occurs on Jan 1 of every year and I’m pretty sure that all items copyright registered 95 (longest protection) +1 years ago all move to the public domain.  This being 2021 then  2021-95 = 1926 – 1 year = everything in 1925.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 2:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Electric

 


All copyrights expire eventually. Including photographs. There are a lot of factors - how old was the
photographer and (if) when did they die? Was the photo ever published? Where did you get the photo?
A nearly 80 year old photo of a freight car... not much chance of a lawsuit. Just sayin'. And to win, the
suit would have to demonstrate actual damage to the copyright holder (diminishment of residual economic
value of the photo or publication).


On 2/3/2021 6:54 PM, SHAY STARK wrote:

Garth,

I have a photo of PE10237 taken in Centerville Utah on Bamberger Railroad with a packing date of 11-41 and BLT 6-24 B-50-14, that has the brake staff rigging located on the outside of the car. Unfortunately I don't have permission to post the photo. I also remember an article in Main Line Modeler in the 1990's that had a few photos of the PE cars along with the SP variants. I seem to remember at least one photo showing the brake staff rigging. Maybe someone has that article and could provide more information.

Shay Stark


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

Dave Nelson
 

OH NO!

 

Jon and I would talk at great length whenever we bumped into each other.

 

Sad news indeed.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Jon MIller - sad news

 

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden


Re: SL-SF open-top car color

O Fenton Wells
 

I know little about the Frisco but the Southern did the same, flats, hoppers, gons were all black until the late 1950's (1958 ish) but it took a long time to repaint the fleet.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 9:07 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
While we're on the subject of Frisco, I have noticed that early offset-side twin hoppers and covered hoppers, when new, were black.  Later ones were that Frisco red.  The Frisco gons of the 'Greenville' style were black when new, and I think later ones were red.  I presume the standard changed for all at the same time.  Any idea when that was?  Was it likely that there could have been Frisco open-top cars in black up to the end of this list?

Ron Merrick



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Chris.  I'll go back and look at those again.  I appreciate your help.  I've got two to do so may vary each a bit.
Fenton

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:
Fenton
I just looked at the Joe Pennington RPC article you referenced and would call your attention to the difference in paint color between newly repainted 162234 (pg. 71) and a similar steel sheathed car 32203 (pg. 72) in roughly the same lighting conditions. Note the new paint patch where Flo Pak Lubricators have been applied and stenciled on the car side. Interesting to note the effect of several years of weathering revealed by the patch.  If you are still on the Scalecoat theme, I'm thinking Boxcar Red #2 is a good match for the new paint look but you can't go wrong over a wide range of oxidation and fading as it appears the SLSF paint both oxidized and faded relatively rapidly. . 
Chris R. 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

bigfourroad
 

Fenton
I just looked at the Joe Pennington RPC article you referenced and would call your attention to the difference in paint color between newly repainted 162234 (pg. 71) and a similar steel sheathed car 32203 (pg. 72) in roughly the same lighting conditions. Note the new paint patch where Flo Pak Lubricators have been applied and stenciled on the car side. Interesting to note the effect of several years of weathering revealed by the patch.  If you are still on the Scalecoat theme, I'm thinking Boxcar Red #2 is a good match for the new paint look but you can't go wrong over a wide range of oxidation and fading as it appears the SLSF paint both oxidized and faded relatively rapidly. . 
Chris R. 


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

 

I am saddened to hear of Jon's passing. I have always read his emails to the group members. Tom that tag line of his is something I will always remember. My prayers go out to Jon's family. He will be sorely missed.

R.I.P. Jon,
Rich Christie


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

Guy Wilber
 

I am very sorry to hear of Jon’s passing.  I met Jon and Richard Hendrickson on the same day in October of 1988 at The Santa Fe Modelers meeting at a private home in (I believe) Walnut Creek.  Jon had his Bx3 and Bx9 models for show.  They were as stunning as Jon was humble in describing his modeling efforts.  

I always enjoyed Jon’s input on the various lists we were members of as the internet brought us all a bit closer in later years.

Condolences to The Miller Family and Friends, may he Rest In Peace. 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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SL-SF open-top car color

mopacfirst
 

While we're on the subject of Frisco, I have noticed that early offset-side twin hoppers and covered hoppers, when new, were black.  Later ones were that Frisco red.  The Frisco gons of the 'Greenville' style were black when new, and I think later ones were red.  I presume the standard changed for all at the same time.  Any idea when that was?  Was it likely that there could have been Frisco open-top cars in black up to the end of this list?

Ron Merrick


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

Aley, Jeff A
 

So sorry to hear this.  I usually saw Jon at (and at dinner after) various railroad meets here in Northern California.  He was always interesting, friendly, and knowledgeable.  And like Tony, I remember that he always wore a big hat!

 

RIP Jon,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Jon MIller - sad news

 

Tom Madden wrote:



Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

 

    I will certainly miss Jon and his trademark fedora. He often contributed to this list, as experienced members will remember. He was a fixture at Pacific Coast Region events and always an interesting person to talk modeling with. I enjoyed his stories and his respect for the hobby's pioneers. Another friend departed.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, that’s interesting. I already have that mixed up. I have to change the MDC inverse 3/3/3 end to a regular 3/3/3 end. 


On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:54 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



The Sunshine Frisco Howe Truss boxcars were featured in the RPC Volume 2 and the Joe Pennington formula for paint was a 50/50 mix of Floquil boxcar red and Southern freight car brown. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

Sent from my iP



On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

gary laakso
 

The Sunshine Frisco Howe Truss boxcars were featured in the RPC Volume 2 and the Joe Pennington formula for paint was a 50/50 mix of Floquil boxcar red and Southern freight car brown. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

Sent from my iP



On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

fire5506
 

I'm sure I'm like a lot on here. I started with trains when a child became a teenager, still interested in trains but had also started getting interested in the opposite sex so that started taking more of my time. I did join a club (West Island MRR club on Long Island) I moved to Florida when I was 21 and model railroading went to the back burner as I got married plus work got in the way. Later on many years later I was able to bring MRR more to the front. I went through times I could not afford to purchase anything for a hobby, but in later years I had a little more available for luxuries such as model trains. Now that I am retired, model railroading is more on the front burner. I'm sure I wasn't on the radar of most of the older people that were saying MRR was dying, but here I am now. I still have to watch how much I spend on models, but am sure a lot more active in it.

Richard Webster


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

Sent from my iP

On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks, with Tony’s C for Colton, we have, at least, a reasonable idea for those other letters.

 

Steve

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

 

I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

 

L - Lawrenceville, IL

J - Jacksonville, FL

P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with

 

EC

 

which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location

 

But I also see

 

L

J

C

P

 

Multiple times in the same set of stencils

 

Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.

 

Thanks a bunch.

 

Steve Hile


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

bigfourroad
 

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Tim O'Connor
 


EC appears on many GATX tank cars. SHN (Sharon) is another.



On 2/8/2021 5:06 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

L - Lawrenceville, IL
J - Jacksonville, FL
P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with
 
EC
 
which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location
 
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P
 
Multiple times in the same set of stencils
 
Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.
 
Thanks a bunch.
 
Steve Hile


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tim O'Connor
 


I joined the Facebook "Athearn blue box" group for the same reason - many inexperienced modelers
and lots of enthusiasm - I don't know (or care) about their ages but many of them seem young at heart. :-)
Good modelers are made, not born that way - pass on what we've learned - and remember it's fun.


On 2/8/2021 4:51 PM, CJ Riley via groups.io wrote:
I belong to the NMRA Facebook group and the posts age rife with questions from beginners, many obviously young because they want answers from the net and not from books or magazines. And they usually get proper and complete answers although there are often differences of opinion.  They also love to post photos of their latest bargains found on eBay or at train shows. While I am older than probably 95% of the hobby, it seems to be in good hands, just different approaches.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Brian Termunde
 

Bob;
It's nice to hear some good news among all the negative! Thanks for sharing both of this cheerful items as well as all of the other nuggets you are so generous in sharing. Especially the Barringer photos, it was wonderful to see the photos of the Grand Canyon (where I started my career in the hospitality industry 30 years ago) and at William, Ariz.! Thanks ever so much!


Take care, 


Brian


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

maynard stowe
 

I just stopped by at East Deerfield, Mass after getting my car washed. Not much going on; there was a young guy - late teens/ ear twenties - standing taking pictures for at least 20 minutes. It was 27 degrees out; I don't think the hobby is dead yet.
Maynard Stowe 


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Richard Townsend
 

I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

L - Lawrenceville, IL
J - Jacksonville, FL
P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with
 
EC
 
which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location
 
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P
 
Multiple times in the same set of stencils
 
Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.
 
Thanks a bunch.
 
Steve Hile

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