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Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I have a Soo Line question: I’ve accumulated a IM 10’6” box car, Chad Boas square corner ends and Klasing hand brakes. I was thinking of doing a Soo car. Would like to know if there was black on the cars (ends-roofs)? And a good source for decals."

What's your target era?  Tilted square herald or billboard "SOO LINE"?


Ben Hom


Re: Wilson reefers.

Allen Cain
 

Wilson had 1453 cars listed in the October 1955 ORER in the 8101-9605 series.  All are 36 ft long and RSM types.

Allen Cain


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Paul Krueger
 

The write up on these cars in the Soo Line historical society freight car book says the ends and herald backgrounds on all steel P-S boxcars from 1936-1942 were painted black as built.

Paul
Seattle, WA


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shapeways Klasing hand brakes

naptownprr
 

I like your response, Tim.


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At least tree Klasings on each spruce.


On 2/10/2021 12:48 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
I’ll buy a couple. How many on a spruce?


On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I bought some Klasing hand brakes from Shapeways. I got ten life times supply! If anyone would like a few for a modest price, please contact me off list.
cepropst@q.com


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Re: Shapeways Klasing hand brakes

Tim O'Connor
 


At least tree Klasings on each spruce.


On 2/10/2021 12:48 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
I’ll buy a couple. How many on a spruce?


On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I bought some Klasing hand brakes from Shapeways. I got ten life times supply! If anyone would like a few for a modest price, please contact me off list.
cepropst@q.com


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rail Model Journal Modeling PFE Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


CHRIS !! When did you re-appear ? :-D

As far as I know, RJ, there was NO follow up article.

But that one article had a lot of useful information in it. :-)




On 1/31/2021 1:06 PM, Chris Barkan wrote:
RJ Dial,

I don't know the answer to your question, but attached is an index of RMJ 1950s freight car articles in case you have not seen it.  It includes a number of articles by Hendrickson.

Chris Barkan

On Jan 30, 2021, at 7:55 PM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Was Richard Hendrickson ever able to do the followup article on modeling rebuilt PFE Reefers in the Rail Model Journal?  Here is the initial article on the pre-rebuilt versions with a closing teaser saying that there would be another article, but no luck in finding it so far.
 http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1997_4/
(page 46)
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Tim O'Connor
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Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

When the Soo Line Historical Society decorated the Athearn blue box kit to represent those
box cars (correct, except for 7-rung instead of 8-rung ladders) they painted the ends BLACK
but the roof is box car red like the sides.

What decals for you looking for - original or repaints? CDS made a 1955 repaint set (#75)


On 2/11/2021 10:00 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

Great looking models Bill!

 

I have a Soo Line question: I’ve accumulated a IM 10’6” box car, Chad Boas square corner ends and Klasing hand brakes. I was thinking of doing a Soo car. Would like to know if there was black on the cars (ends-roofs)? And a good source for decals.

Clark Propst



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

william darnaby
 

Clark, James and others, I will have to defer to the Soo experts out there for any reliable paint information.  I only trusted and used what Des Plaines Hobbies provided on the models.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

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Great looking models Bill!

 

I have a Soo Line question: I’ve accumulated a IM 10’6” box car, Chad Boas square corner ends and Klasing hand brakes. I was thinking of doing a Soo car. Would like to know if there was black on the cars (ends-roofs)? And a good source for decals.

Clark Propst

 

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Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks for clarifying, Drew and John. I was not sure if the ends of the bolster were integral to the sides or not. What is striking about the ARLX and Wilson cars is that they both have a series of molded bolts interspersed among the grabirons. That and the identical-looking door hardware and roof seemed to indicate to me that the major components of the kit were the same. I had not considered that the length could be slightly different.

-Phil


Re: Wilson reefers.

nyc3001 .
 

Steve,

The Sunshine kit seems accurate for this number series. I am not sure how close the F&C kit is as there are different details along the bottoms of the sides and different door hardware. I can't tell if the door dimensions are different.

-Phil


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

william darnaby
 

Thanks!  But I didn’t do much except add the correct details and weather them.  Des Plaines did the paint jobs on the correct square corner bodies.  The large SOO paint had a reweigh date of 5-55 so I left that alone but I had to do reweigh patches on the original scheme to bring it in line with my railroad date and gave the car a heavier weathering.

 

Bill

 

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Bill 

 

Two very nice models.

 

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 



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Re: Wilson reefers.

Ray Hutchison
 

From court document "The People vs. Wilson Car Lines, Inc":

On April 1, 1932, defendant company owned 1742 railroad cars valued at a fair cash value of $968,853; on the same date in 1933, it owned 1697 cars valued at $1,021,238; in 1934, it owned 1,627 cars valued at $1,055,689. 

https://casetext.com/case/the-people-v-wilson-car-lines-inc



Re: Wilson reefers.

mopacfirst
 

The only ones I have photos of are late ones.  A Needham Packing car, restenciled WCLX 2042, and a 50' plug door RS, WCLX 5141, lettered Wilson Car Lines but with no logo.  Both May 1973, on the Rock Island.

Ron Merrick


Re: Wilson reefers.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Let me add that as of July 1950 ORER, Wilson rostered 1481 cars, but 1295 of them are on one line with common dimensions.  The number range is 8101 to 9600.  This must be the signature car for WCLX and, hopefully, the model matches it.  (I think I have one of those early F&C kits, somewhere….)

 

They list a single car in the range 4301 -4399 and the notes state that car is owned by Mather.

 

32 cars in the series 9801 -9839; 8 cars in the series 9851 – 9868 and 9 cars in the series 9879 – 9919 all belong to North American Car, according to the notes.

 

The only other block of cars of note was 7501 – 7615 listed as 105 cars.  The adjacent block, 7616 – 7630 (15 cars) have common dimensions, except slightly larger ice tanks (165 versus 153 cubic feet.)

 

Steve Hile

 

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?

No, but I took a very shallow dive.  Wilson had what I would call a medium-size reefer fleet, something on the order of 2000 cars it seems.  Data in my 1919 ORER is very sketchy.  From 1925 to 1940 (inclusive), my ORERs lack any car count data that would help identify the important cars series.  From 1945 (at least) forward there are car counts, but I am too wary of trying to backtrack the various series into the heart of the steam era.  I tried that with Swift, and it was/is an exercise in frustration.
 
YMMV, but that's as far as I was willing to go (or dive) with Wilson absent better ORER data.
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Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Clark Propst
 

Great looking models Bill!

 

I have a Soo Line question: I’ve accumulated a IM 10’6” box car, Chad Boas square corner ends and Klasing hand brakes. I was thinking of doing a Soo car. Would like to know if there was black on the cars (ends-roofs)? And a good source for decals.

Clark Propst

 

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Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

John Stanford
 

I'll add that the F&C Wilson kits were likely different from the former RPI Armour ones as they were both available at the same time with the Wilson cars shown being 37' vs 38' for the Armour kits.  The only note on those is they represent the 'standard meat reefer'.

-John Stanford 


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

James Brewer
 

Good looking models Bill, especially the weathering.

Jim Brewer


Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

John Stanford
 

From the old NEB&W Freight car book its referenced that the truss rod version was based on plans of ARLX 12906 from the Aug 1987 MR.  The decals for kits F010 and F009 were based on WC Whittaker photo of ARLX 11414  from 11/1938, and F011 (star herald) from a Bill Sharp photo ARLX 11948 from 1957.


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 

Two very nice models.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Feb 2021, at 23:07, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:



 

RPCyc 35 which is the tell all about ’37 boxcars motivated me to sort though my stash of IMWX and RC kits.  I found two of the offerings by Des Plaines Hobbies purchased years ago which are mostly correct as is, such as the square corner ends, except for the roof which, according to the RPCyc, should be the Pullman flat-panel riveted variety.  Fortunately, our colleague Chad Boas has these roof available to fit these cars.  Attached are my efforts with these roofs.  I also installed the correct Universal hand brake details and used Kadee bracket grabs to complete the kit upgrades.

 

Bill Darnaby

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Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

Drew M.
 

Hi Phil,
   I have several meat reefer kits done by F&C - for their own line as well as Green Dot for the RPI club. The RPI kits feature two variants: a steel underframe and a truss rod and steel center sill underframe. The car sides have cast on attaching points for steel underframe cross bearer components to attach to and which are removed for the truss rod underframe. 

Drew Marshall in snowy South Philadelphia, PA


On Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 07:15:51 PM EST, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:


Bill,

Nice photo.
It looks exactly the same as the kit at the Worthpoint link, but it looks slightly different from the Sunshine Armour 11000 series kit.

I recall an ad about these kits saying that NEB&W apparently made another version of this kit with a different underframe.

-Phil

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