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Re: T&P 41000-41199

mopacfirst
 

Confirming my assumptions.  Thanks.

Ron Merrick


Re: T&P 41000-41199

Allan Smith
 

T&P 41024 photo shows a Longitudinal mounted reservoir.


Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 04:03:05 PM PST, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:




On Feb 13, 2021, at 5:13 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I think it's on Crawford Hill in Nebraska.

Scott Chatfield


Re: T&P 41000-41199

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 13, 2021, at 5:13 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick
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Ron,
A photo of new T&P 41018, built 10-51 by the Mount Vernon Division of Pressed Steel Car Co., shows the brake reservoir mounted longitudinally. The 3/4BR view is available from J. Michael Gruber of Mainline Photos.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ed,

The C&H car does not carry full dimensional data, or does it have enough to meet some minimum standard for interchange in the 1936 time frame? Despite having incomplete information, it is marked with two "return to" interchange points. Strange.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:14 PM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


> On Feb 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?<HC_H 960-1 _1_.jpg>

Bob,
To answer your question, it’s hard to say without doing an ORER search for HM’s having 1995 cu. ft. (115 more than the standard 1880 cu. ft. USRA design). The photo shows what may have been an experimental repair using welding practices that went to a railroad called Cheswich & Harmor per the following three photo links. This particular car is C&HRR 60 with repairs on 2-5-36 by Greenville Steel Car Co.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-NpWTVw7/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-PmnC5Vw/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-DqWm3xD/buy

From 1933 to 1944, Greenville performed the work in 17 separate repair orders totaling 69 hopper cars of USRA vintage for the Cheswick & Harmor RR. I’m unfamiliar with this railroad, which does not appear in the 1930s-1940s ORER and thus apparent that the cars were not interchanged. Without having any additional photos of repaired cars other than C&HRR 60, it’s an unknown to what extent that Greenville’s repairs followed the same welding methods. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









Re: Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

Dave Parker
 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 01:46 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
The tank is intriguing in that it superficially looks similar to the Tangent GA 6k tank, but it has four horizontal courses instead of three and has somewhat squatter domes if my eye isn't fooling me.
It's an ACF build from 1920.  The stencil is fuzzy, but it's there.  Classic ACF frame as well.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


T&P 41000-41199

mopacfirst
 

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick


USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

David
 

D&H 4651 is a sample car of very similar construction, but I do not know of any other examples.
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-D/i-TjBGHWW/A
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-D/i-3xjBXrd/A

Cheswick & Harmar (note the spelling) was a mine-to-power plant railroad about 15 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. It was a common carrier, although its ownership by the Duquesne Light Co. may be why it's not in the ORER.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

nyc3001 .
 

Interesting photo Bob. It's an AC&F prototype. Looks like it could be 6k gallons.

The tank is intriguing in that it superficially looks similar to the Tangent GA 6k tank, but it has four horizontal courses instead of three and has somewhat squatter domes if my eye isn't fooling me.

-Phil


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tom Madden
 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:06 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I think it’s on the Denver front range in Colorado.

 

My first thought was Palmer Lake, but I'm not a Q devotee.

Tom Madden

 

 


Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

Ed Hawkins
 

On Feb 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?<HC_H 960-1 _1_.jpg>
Bob,
To answer your question, it’s hard to say without doing an ORER search for HM’s having 1995 cu. ft. (115 more than the standard 1880 cu. ft. USRA design). The photo shows what may have been an experimental repair using welding practices that went to a railroad called Cheswich & Harmor per the following three photo links. This particular car is C&HRR 60 with repairs on 2-5-36 by Greenville Steel Car Co.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-NpWTVw7/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-PmnC5Vw/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-DqWm3xD/buy

From 1933 to 1944, Greenville performed the work in 17 separate repair orders totaling 69 hopper cars of USRA vintage for the Cheswick & Harmor RR. I’m unfamiliar with this railroad, which does not appear in the 1930s-1940s ORER and thus apparent that the cars were not interchanged. Without having any additional photos of repaired cars other than C&HRR 60, it’s an unknown to what extent that Greenville’s repairs followed the same welding methods. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Nelson Moyer
 

I think it’s on the Denver front range in Colorado.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

 


I think that's a famous publicity shot - from Wyoming or Nebraska perhaps.
I know I've seen it before.

 


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tim O'Connor
 


I think that's a famous publicity shot - from Wyoming or Nebraska perhaps.
I know I've seen it before.


On 2/13/2021 1:18 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20090000-20099999/20093874.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Although not as detailed as we would like, there are a lot of interesting period freight cars in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20090000-20099999/20093874.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Although not as detailed as we would like, there are a lot of interesting period freight cars in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20090000-20099999/20092635.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

Bob Weston
 

What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?


Northern Pacific Steel Refrigerator Car 91253

Lester Breuer
 

I have completed the build of Northern Pacific (NP) steel Refrigerator car 91253 produced by InterMountain Railway Company exclusively for the Armarillo Railroad Museum.  If you are interested in the build of this plastic kit of NP refrigerator 91253 including changes and addition of parts not in the kit as running board and trucks.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:


http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/


Lester Breuer


Re: model needed

John Hile
 

There are a few on eBay right now.  Including and undec.

John Hile


Re: Wilson reefers.

Rufus Cone
 

I should have noticed that the caption is in error.  Ice hatches are clearly visible.

On 2/12/2021 10:42 PM, Rufus Cone wrote:

Came across this online while searching for a steam locomotive photo:

Ron V. Nixon Collection Image Record - rvn21078
http://www.morphotoarchive.org/rvndb/rvn_date_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21078

"WCLX Wilson private line Mechanical Refrigerator cars in Missoula, MT."
June 14, 1957       Location: Missoula, MT       Photographer: Ron V. Nixon
Railroad: Northern Pacific Railway       

3 cars are shown.  The original is probably a 616 (2.5x4.5) negative, so should have good detail.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?
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-- 
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT
-- 
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: Wilson reefers.

Rufus Cone
 

Came across this online while searching for a steam locomotive photo:

Ron V. Nixon Collection Image Record - rvn21078
http://www.morphotoarchive.org/rvndb/rvn_date_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21078

"WCLX Wilson private line Mechanical Refrigerator cars in Missoula, MT."
June 14, 1957       Location: Missoula, MT       Photographer: Ron V. Nixon
Railroad: Northern Pacific Railway       

3 cars are shown.  The original is probably a 616 (2.5x4.5) negative, so should have good detail.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?
_,_._,_
-- 
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT

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