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Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Ron 

Thank you that is very useful.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 14 Feb 2021, at 16:38, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Not a photo, but here is the MP diagram sheet for this car.  Basically, a pretty standard drop-shaft handbrake, which probably means the shaft was square.  I don't have a good end photo here of any of these classes of MP steel flatcars, which were built pre-war and pretty similar amongst themselves.  The 8000-8099 were built in 1938.

I wrote an article on similar groups of cars for the MPHS Eagle, and got some good photos of them.  Sorry to say, I'm in the process of moving so my Eagle collection has already moved while I'm here boxing up the layout.  I'll say the hand brake arrangement has nothing special about it, if that's any help.

Ron Merrick
<MP 1900-51 FRT CAR DGMS 171.pdf>
Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

mopacfirst
 

Not a photo, but here is the MP diagram sheet for this car.  Basically, a pretty standard drop-shaft handbrake, which probably means the shaft was square.  I don't have a good end photo here of any of these classes of MP steel flatcars, which were built pre-war and pretty similar amongst themselves.  The 8000-8099 were built in 1938.

I wrote an article on similar groups of cars for the MPHS Eagle, and got some good photos of them.  Sorry to say, I'm in the process of moving so my Eagle collection has already moved while I'm here boxing up the layout.  I'll say the hand brake arrangement has nothing special about it, if that's any help.

Ron Merrick

PDF
MP 1900-51 FRT CAR DGMS 171.pdf

Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

Tim O'Connor
 


Definitely an early alumilite casting. Such castings were also done for hobby shops including
the RPI NEB&W green dot kits. And repackaging of items on Feebay (often the seller is unaware
of this) is not unknown. So it may be the F&C kit. Or maybe there was more than one kit. Or...


On 2/13/2021 11:40 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
I bought one kit off of eBay and opened it up. To my surprise, the sides have some different details from Bill's ARLX reefer and the completed reefer on Worthpoint. The door hardware is different, there are no bolts interspersed among the grabirons, and there aren't any raised areas of the fascia. The ends also lack bolt detail and seem to different end sill detail. It appears that the F&C "37' Wood Meat Reefer Kit" represents an entirely different prototype altogether. It seems likely that the particular ARLX prototype represented in this thread previously can be ruled out. But then, what is it?

I've uploaded photos of the sides and ends into the below album and can take more images if you want to see them. As far as I can tell, the roof is the same.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=260721

-Phil

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Guys

I have a Chad Boaz Mopac 45’ 8000-8099 flat car has anyone got a photo of the hand brake end please.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

Yes, bingo! I now recall that name associated with this photo!

It looks somewhat different today... (and definitely not better). Very easily found photos
with Google image search for "Crawford Hill CB&Q"


On 2/13/2021 7:20 PM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
I think it's on Crawford Hill in Nebraska.

Scott Chatfield


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tim O'Connor
 


Tom whenever I see a beautiful photo of a train on a curve I'm reminded of John Armstrong's
conviction that the "perfect curvature" for train watching was 5 degrees. He wasn't wrong! :-)
His layout featured a sweeping 5 degree curve - in O scale.


On 2/13/2021 4:18 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:06 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I think it’s on the Denver front range in Colorado.

 

My first thought was Palmer Lake, but I'm not a Q devotee.

Tom Madden

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

David
 

There were still tracks the last I was there in the late 1980s. I would assume they’re gone now, but one never knows

This is the 21st century, so of course there's a Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzhfDNsOwFA

David Thompson
Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

akerboomk
 

I shouldn’t wander astray of the group’s stated purpose, but I will anyhow (sorry)

 

Just to the west of Cheswick is the B&LE bridge over the Allegheny river (the one next to the Penna Turnpike bridge) – maybe 100-200’ above river level.  The C&H connected to the B&LE just north of the bridge.

It ran (downhill) to a switchback, then more downhill to the powerplant and the PRR interchange (slightly above river level).  You can kinda follow the ROW on Google Maps.

 

There were still tracks the last I was there in the late 1980s. I would assume they’re gone now, but one never knows.


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Ken Akerboom
Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

nyc3001 .
 

I bought one kit off of eBay and opened it up. To my surprise, the sides have some different details from Bill's ARLX reefer and the completed reefer on Worthpoint. The door hardware is different, there are no bolts interspersed among the grabirons, and there aren't any raised areas of the fascia. The ends also lack bolt detail and seem to different end sill detail. It appears that the F&C "37' Wood Meat Reefer Kit" represents an entirely different prototype altogether. It seems likely that the particular ARLX prototype represented in this thread previously can be ruled out. But then, what is it?

I've uploaded photos of the sides and ends into the below album and can take more images if you want to see them. As far as I can tell, the roof is the same.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=260721

-Phil
Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

leakinmywaders
 

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/15878835/cheswick-and-harmar-railroad/

Looks like there was a mine on the line. Interesting little road. 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT
Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

James E Kubanick
 

The C&H is (was) a Pittsburgh area road. It is a short line that connected a power plant (Duquesne Light) near Cheswick with the Bessemer & Lake Erie at Harmerville. I don't know if it still exists, but its purpose was to haul coal between those two points. When I lived in Pittsburgh,I recall  the road was called the Harmerville & Cheswick. I never saw any cars lettered for the road, but, apparently, they did roster some  at one time. These would have been interchanged with the B&LE as there were no mines located on the line. Or, possibly, they were limited to some kind of in-plant service.
 
I haven't been up that way in years, so I don't know what is left.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 6:47:54 PM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Ed,

The C&H car does not carry full dimensional data, or does it have enough to meet some minimum standard for interchange in the 1936 time frame? Despite having incomplete information, it is marked with two "return to" interchange points. Strange.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:14 PM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


> On Feb 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?<HC_H 960-1 _1_.jpg>

Bob,
To answer your question, it’s hard to say without doing an ORER search for HM’s having 1995 cu. ft. (115 more than the standard 1880 cu. ft. USRA design). The photo shows what may have been an experimental repair using welding practices that went to a railroad called Cheswich & Harmor per the following three photo links. This particular car is C&HRR 60 with repairs on 2-5-36 by Greenville Steel Car Co.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-NpWTVw7/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-PmnC5Vw/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-DqWm3xD/buy

From 1933 to 1944, Greenville performed the work in 17 separate repair orders totaling 69 hopper cars of USRA vintage for the Cheswick & Harmor RR. I’m unfamiliar with this railroad, which does not appear in the 1930s-1940s ORER and thus apparent that the cars were not interchanged. Without having any additional photos of repaired cars other than C&HRR 60, it’s an unknown to what extent that Greenville’s repairs followed the same welding methods. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: T&P 41000-41199

mopacfirst
 

Confirming my assumptions.  Thanks.

Ron Merrick
Re: T&P 41000-41199

Allan Smith
 

T&P 41024 photo shows a Longitudinal mounted reservoir.


Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 04:03:05 PM PST, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:




On Feb 13, 2021, at 5:13 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I think it's on Crawford Hill in Nebraska.

Scott Chatfield
Re: T&P 41000-41199

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 13, 2021, at 5:13 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick
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Ron,
A photo of new T&P 41018, built 10-51 by the Mount Vernon Division of Pressed Steel Car Co., shows the brake reservoir mounted longitudinally. The 3/4BR view is available from J. Michael Gruber of Mainline Photos.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ed,

The C&H car does not carry full dimensional data, or does it have enough to meet some minimum standard for interchange in the 1936 time frame? Despite having incomplete information, it is marked with two "return to" interchange points. Strange.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:14 PM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


> On Feb 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?<HC_H 960-1 _1_.jpg>

Bob,
To answer your question, it’s hard to say without doing an ORER search for HM’s having 1995 cu. ft. (115 more than the standard 1880 cu. ft. USRA design). The photo shows what may have been an experimental repair using welding practices that went to a railroad called Cheswich & Harmor per the following three photo links. This particular car is C&HRR 60 with repairs on 2-5-36 by Greenville Steel Car Co.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-NpWTVw7/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-PmnC5Vw/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-DqWm3xD/buy

From 1933 to 1944, Greenville performed the work in 17 separate repair orders totaling 69 hopper cars of USRA vintage for the Cheswick & Harmor RR. I’m unfamiliar with this railroad, which does not appear in the 1930s-1940s ORER and thus apparent that the cars were not interchanged. Without having any additional photos of repaired cars other than C&HRR 60, it’s an unknown to what extent that Greenville’s repairs followed the same welding methods. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

Dave Parker
 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 01:46 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
The tank is intriguing in that it superficially looks similar to the Tangent GA 6k tank, but it has four horizontal courses instead of three and has somewhat squatter domes if my eye isn't fooling me.
It's an ACF build from 1920.  The stencil is fuzzy, but it's there.  Classic ACF frame as well.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
T&P 41000-41199

mopacfirst
 

Quick question on these cars, built by Mt. Vernon 1951 --

Was the brake reservoir mounted longitudinal or transverse?  It's not clearly obvious from the photos I have here.  I suspect longitudinal, because the mount for the transverse air reservoir on the 40000-41999 series cars is pretty obvious.

Ron Merrick
USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

David
 

D&H 4651 is a sample car of very similar construction, but I do not know of any other examples.
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-D/i-TjBGHWW/A
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-D/i-3xjBXrd/A

Cheswick & Harmar (note the spelling) was a mine-to-power plant railroad about 15 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. It was a common carrier, although its ownership by the Duquesne Light Co. may be why it's not in the ORER.

David Thompson
Re: Photo: NATX Three Compartment Tank Car 7069

nyc3001 .
 

Interesting photo Bob. It's an AC&F prototype. Looks like it could be 6k gallons.

The tank is intriguing in that it superficially looks similar to the Tangent GA 6k tank, but it has four horizontal courses instead of three and has somewhat squatter domes if my eye isn't fooling me.

-Phil
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