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Re: Jan. 1942, Jan. 1947, Jan. 1950 ORER Data Request

Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

January 1947
8101 - 9299,  1008 active cars (If Wilson Mgt. kept their register listing up to date better than I did when I managed the rail fleet for Phillips Petroleum Co.)
Fyi, there ate WCLX cars scattered all over Central Oklahoma.
Tom Birkett, Bartlesville, OK



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From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
Date: 2/14/21 12:44 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Jan. 1942, Jan. 1947, Jan. 1950 ORER Data Request

STMFC members,
For a mini-project I’m working on, will appreciate your help with supplying the ORER quantity for 3 specific dates that pertain to a continuously-increasing series of 36’ Wilson Car Lines (WCLX) reefers having 8101 as the lowest car number.

January 1942, series 8101-9299:
January 1947, series 8101-9299:
January 1950, series 8101-9600:

I thank you in advance for your time & kind assistance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Jan. 1942, Jan. 1947, Jan. 1950 ORER Data Request

James Brewer
 

Ed,

According to my Westerfield CD ORER July 1950 there were 1296 cars in the number series; I don't have anything earlier than this reference.

Jim Brewer

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 1:44 PM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
STMFC members,
For a mini-project I’m working on, will appreciate your help with supplying the ORER quantity for 3 specific dates that pertain to a continuously-increasing series of 36’ Wilson Car Lines (WCLX) reefers having 8101 as the lowest car number.

January 1942, series 8101-9299:
January 1947, series 8101-9299:
January 1950, series 8101-9600:

I thank you in advance for your time & kind assistance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Jan. 1942, Jan. 1947, Jan. 1950 ORER Data Request

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC members,
For a mini-project I’m working on, will appreciate your help with supplying the ORER quantity for 3 specific dates that pertain to a continuously-increasing series of 36’ Wilson Car Lines (WCLX) reefers having 8101 as the lowest car number.

January 1942, series 8101-9299:
January 1947, series 8101-9299:
January 1950, series 8101-9600:

I thank you in advance for your time & kind assistance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Perishable Protective Tariff No. 11 (1940)

Bob Chaparro
 

Perishable Protective Tariff No. 11 (1940)

For those of you with a lot of reading time on your hands, here is a link to the National Perishable Freight Committee's  Perishable Protective Tariff No. 11:

https://archive.org/details/CAT10939686/page/n3/mode/2up

This is a document of charges and rules and regulations governing the handling of perishable freight, at, from and to points in the United States and Canada.

Use the Search Icon on the left margin to find specific items.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

And there, in honor of Bill Welch, is a square shaft for the brake wheel!  RIP, Bill.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 11:19 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mopac 45’ flat car

 

 



On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

 

I have a Chad Boaz Mopac 45’ 8000-8099 flat car has anyone got a photo of the hand brake end please.

 

Paul,

I have just one photo from the MP 8000-8099 series of 45’ flat cars (MP 8036 L-side), but it doesn’t provide a good view of the hand brake. All of MoPac’s flat cars built from 1936 to 1938 at their DeSoto, Mo. car shops, as well as two series built by the Bethlehem Steel Co. in 1942 all used the same hand brake - Universal Multi-Power Drop-Shaft (MP diagram denotes as drop staff). 

 

MP 8600-8995, 41’-3”, built 1936 

MP 9000-9199, 41’-3”, built 1937

MP 8000-8199, 45’, built 1938

MP 8100-8199, 50’, built 1942

StLB&M 8350-8399, 50’, built 1942

 

What I do have to offer is a decent view of the B end of MP 9014, taken ca. late-1956. The photo of the car was taken by the railroad at St. Louis to demonstrate one of MP’s ‘Truck-Rail Service” containers loaded on a flat car. It’s cropped to show the B end and scanned at 600 dpi. It’s noted the hand brake shaft & uncoupling rod have been somewhat deformed after roughly 20 years of use. 

 

Hoping this provides the necessary information for your model. 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Ed 

That’s very useful thank very much 

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 14 Feb 2021, at 17:19, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

I have a Chad Boaz Mopac 45’ 8000-8099 flat car has anyone got a photo of the hand brake end please.

Paul,
I have just one photo from the MP 8000-8099 series of 45’ flat cars (MP 8036 L-side), but it doesn’t provide a good view of the hand brake. All of MoPac’s flat cars built from 1936 to 1938 at their DeSoto, Mo. car shops, as well as two series built by the Bethlehem Steel Co. in 1942 all used the same hand brake - Universal Multi-Power Drop-Shaft (MP diagram denotes as drop staff). 

MP 8600-8995, 41’-3”, built 1936 
MP 9000-9199, 41’-3”, built 1937
MP 8000-8199, 45’, built 1938
MP 8100-8199, 50’, built 1942
StLB&M 8350-8399, 50’, built 1942

What I do have to offer is a decent view of the B end of MP 9014, taken ca. late-1956. The photo of the car was taken by the railroad at St. Louis to demonstrate one of MP’s ‘Truck-Rail Service” containers loaded on a flat car. It’s cropped to show the B end and scanned at 600 dpi. It’s noted the hand brake shaft & uncoupling rod have been somewhat deformed after roughly 20 years of use. 

Hoping this provides the necessary information for your model. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

<MP 9014 Universal Multi-Power Drop-Shaft hand brake.jpg>





Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

Bob Weston
 
Edited

Thanks to all who answered my question I found the Info on the C&H interesting. I'm curious as to how Greenville rebuilt these USRA hoppers. I'm wondering if they simply removed the side sheets from the interior of the cars and welded new ones to the outside of the side ribs.. Thanks!
Bob Weston


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

I have a Chad Boaz Mopac 45’ 8000-8099 flat car has anyone got a photo of the hand brake end please.

Paul,
I have just one photo from the MP 8000-8099 series of 45’ flat cars (MP 8036 L-side), but it doesn’t provide a good view of the hand brake. All of MoPac’s flat cars built from 1936 to 1938 at their DeSoto, Mo. car shops, as well as two series built by the Bethlehem Steel Co. in 1942 all used the same hand brake - Universal Multi-Power Drop-Shaft (MP diagram denotes as drop staff). 

MP 8600-8995, 41’-3”, built 1936 
MP 9000-9199, 41’-3”, built 1937
MP 8000-8199, 45’, built 1938
MP 8100-8199, 50’, built 1942
StLB&M 8350-8399, 50’, built 1942

What I do have to offer is a decent view of the B end of MP 9014, taken ca. late-1956. The photo of the car was taken by the railroad at St. Louis to demonstrate one of MP’s ‘Truck-Rail Service” containers loaded on a flat car. It’s cropped to show the B end and scanned at 600 dpi. It’s noted the hand brake shaft & uncoupling rod have been somewhat deformed after roughly 20 years of use. 

Hoping this provides the necessary information for your model. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins






Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

mopacfirst
 

Off-topic, but illustrative of the point.

I bought, off that same infamous site, a Sunshine stock car kit, probably one where the picture only showed the box end.  Most of the time, that's good enough for me.  What I got was the box with the instructions and a spare door (Sunshine often provided three and sometimes four of some parts).  I contacted the seller, who said the kit was his dad's and it appeared that the car had been built, he apologized profusely and refunded me.  I agree that, if you don't open the box and look, sometimes it can be hard to tell on a Sunshine kit if it's all there, since they were originally tightly wrapped and the box doesn't rattle much and the castings don't weigh that much.

Just like the steam locomotive models on eBay which are posed with the tender behind the engine all right, just backwards....

Ron Merrick


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Ron 

Thank you that is very useful.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 14 Feb 2021, at 16:38, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Not a photo, but here is the MP diagram sheet for this car.  Basically, a pretty standard drop-shaft handbrake, which probably means the shaft was square.  I don't have a good end photo here of any of these classes of MP steel flatcars, which were built pre-war and pretty similar amongst themselves.  The 8000-8099 were built in 1938.

I wrote an article on similar groups of cars for the MPHS Eagle, and got some good photos of them.  Sorry to say, I'm in the process of moving so my Eagle collection has already moved while I'm here boxing up the layout.  I'll say the hand brake arrangement has nothing special about it, if that's any help.

Ron Merrick
<MP 1900-51 FRT CAR DGMS 171.pdf>


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

mopacfirst
 

Not a photo, but here is the MP diagram sheet for this car.  Basically, a pretty standard drop-shaft handbrake, which probably means the shaft was square.  I don't have a good end photo here of any of these classes of MP steel flatcars, which were built pre-war and pretty similar amongst themselves.  The 8000-8099 were built in 1938.

I wrote an article on similar groups of cars for the MPHS Eagle, and got some good photos of them.  Sorry to say, I'm in the process of moving so my Eagle collection has already moved while I'm here boxing up the layout.  I'll say the hand brake arrangement has nothing special about it, if that's any help.

Ron Merrick


Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

Tim O'Connor
 


Definitely an early alumilite casting. Such castings were also done for hobby shops including
the RPI NEB&W green dot kits. And repackaging of items on Feebay (often the seller is unaware
of this) is not unknown. So it may be the F&C kit. Or maybe there was more than one kit. Or...


On 2/13/2021 11:40 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
I bought one kit off of eBay and opened it up. To my surprise, the sides have some different details from Bill's ARLX reefer and the completed reefer on Worthpoint. The door hardware is different, there are no bolts interspersed among the grabirons, and there aren't any raised areas of the fascia. The ends also lack bolt detail and seem to different end sill detail. It appears that the F&C "37' Wood Meat Reefer Kit" represents an entirely different prototype altogether. It seems likely that the particular ARLX prototype represented in this thread previously can be ruled out. But then, what is it?

I've uploaded photos of the sides and ends into the below album and can take more images if you want to see them. As far as I can tell, the roof is the same.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=260721

-Phil

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Guys

I have a Chad Boaz Mopac 45’ 8000-8099 flat car has anyone got a photo of the hand brake end please.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

Yes, bingo! I now recall that name associated with this photo!

It looks somewhat different today... (and definitely not better). Very easily found photos
with Google image search for "Crawford Hill CB&Q"


On 2/13/2021 7:20 PM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
I think it's on Crawford Hill in Nebraska.

Scott Chatfield


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Burlington FTs With Freight Train (Circa Late 1940s)

Tim O'Connor
 


Tom whenever I see a beautiful photo of a train on a curve I'm reminded of John Armstrong's
conviction that the "perfect curvature" for train watching was 5 degrees. He wasn't wrong! :-)
His layout featured a sweeping 5 degree curve - in O scale.


On 2/13/2021 4:18 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:06 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I think it’s on the Denver front range in Colorado.

 

My first thought was Palmer Lake, but I'm not a Q devotee.

Tom Madden

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

David
 

There were still tracks the last I was there in the late 1980s. I would assume they’re gone now, but one never knows

This is the 21st century, so of course there's a Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzhfDNsOwFA

David Thompson


Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

akerboomk
 

I shouldn’t wander astray of the group’s stated purpose, but I will anyhow (sorry)

 

Just to the west of Cheswick is the B&LE bridge over the Allegheny river (the one next to the Penna Turnpike bridge) – maybe 100-200’ above river level.  The C&H connected to the B&LE just north of the bridge.

It ran (downhill) to a switchback, then more downhill to the powerplant and the PRR interchange (slightly above river level).  You can kinda follow the ROW on Google Maps.

 

There were still tracks the last I was there in the late 1980s. I would assume they’re gone now, but one never knows.


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

nyc3001 .
 

I bought one kit off of eBay and opened it up. To my surprise, the sides have some different details from Bill's ARLX reefer and the completed reefer on Worthpoint. The door hardware is different, there are no bolts interspersed among the grabirons, and there aren't any raised areas of the fascia. The ends also lack bolt detail and seem to different end sill detail. It appears that the F&C "37' Wood Meat Reefer Kit" represents an entirely different prototype altogether. It seems likely that the particular ARLX prototype represented in this thread previously can be ruled out. But then, what is it?

I've uploaded photos of the sides and ends into the below album and can take more images if you want to see them. As far as I can tell, the roof is the same.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=260721

-Phil


Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

leakinmywaders
 

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/15878835/cheswick-and-harmar-railroad/

Looks like there was a mine on the line. Interesting little road. 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: USRA Rebuilt Twin Hoppers with welded bodies

James E Kubanick
 

The C&H is (was) a Pittsburgh area road. It is a short line that connected a power plant (Duquesne Light) near Cheswick with the Bessemer & Lake Erie at Harmerville. I don't know if it still exists, but its purpose was to haul coal between those two points. When I lived in Pittsburgh,I recall  the road was called the Harmerville & Cheswick. I never saw any cars lettered for the road, but, apparently, they did roster some  at one time. These would have been interchanged with the B&LE as there were no mines located on the line. Or, possibly, they were limited to some kind of in-plant service.
 
I haven't been up that way in years, so I don't know what is left.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 6:47:54 PM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Ed,

The C&H car does not carry full dimensional data, or does it have enough to meet some minimum standard for interchange in the 1936 time frame? Despite having incomplete information, it is marked with two "return to" interchange points. Strange.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:14 PM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


> On Feb 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> What railroads used these rebuilt hoppers?<HC_H 960-1 _1_.jpg>

Bob,
To answer your question, it’s hard to say without doing an ORER search for HM’s having 1995 cu. ft. (115 more than the standard 1880 cu. ft. USRA design). The photo shows what may have been an experimental repair using welding practices that went to a railroad called Cheswich & Harmor per the following three photo links. This particular car is C&HRR 60 with repairs on 2-5-36 by Greenville Steel Car Co.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-NpWTVw7/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-PmnC5Vw/buy

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-DqWm3xD/buy

From 1933 to 1944, Greenville performed the work in 17 separate repair orders totaling 69 hopper cars of USRA vintage for the Cheswick & Harmor RR. I’m unfamiliar with this railroad, which does not appear in the 1930s-1940s ORER and thus apparent that the cars were not interchanged. Without having any additional photos of repaired cars other than C&HRR 60, it’s an unknown to what extent that Greenville’s repairs followed the same welding methods. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins








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