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Re: Rio Grande PS1

mopacfirst
 

Not a PS1 expert either, but I believe this is a second-hand 10'-0" height car, possibly from New Haven.  And definitely acquired by Rio Grande after the end of this list.

Ron Merrick


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Scott & Group!

The date of the photo is 1973 and there is a USA map on the side, left of the door suggesting this is a leased car.  There is no entry under D&RGW in the Ed Hawkins list of newly built cars suggesting this car might be  beyond our time frame.  Rio Grande listing in the October 1958 ORER does not show this car.  That this car has a running board suggests that it 'got out there' before 1966 however.  Not sure this helps but it is what it is.

Regards from snowy Grove City, Penna. where it is still winter.   Mike Schleigh 


On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:29:36 AM EST, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:


I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Unloading 1936 Studebaker bodies from a boxcar?

 

There used to be a Studebaker plant on the Los Angeles Junction Ry in Vernon CA, not LA proper. Here's an image of autos (Studebakers ?) in a Santa Fe gondola Looks like they are loaded without front ends like in Doug's image.

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: L&N Woodrack -- 2

Eric Hansmann
 

That’s another fine looking model, Bob! Many railroads seem to have unique woodrack designs.

 

While you note using plaster cast loads, another modeler uses trimmings from his grape arbor for pulpwood loads. Just another possibility for modelers to consider.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

In icy, snowy, cold Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:31 AM
To: STMFC E-List <main@Realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] L&N Woodrack -- 2

 

L&N’s #20300-20349 series woodracks began life as 1920s low-side composite gondolas, rebuilt in 1940 into woodracks. F&C’s B&O P-11 flatcar is a near-perfect match for the carbody; as on the prototype, the bulkheads were soldered from used rail. Added detailing includes grabs, brake system, brakestaff, stake pockets, uncoupling levers, diagonal stay rods, and used rail as edge risers. The load is cast plaster.

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman

 

p.s. THANKS for the on- and off-line offers from several STMFC listers to harvest and send natural "logs" from their backyards. I'm already fixed with the plaster loads for the woodrack fleet -- not as nice as the natural material, but OK at three feet. One more example of what a great group this is. Again -- thanks!   

 


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Douglas Harding
 

The early Kadee PS1 dates from the early 50s. But Kadee came out with another late 40s body last year. There was a great clinic on the differences at Collinsville two years ago by someone this list. Hopefully he will chime in.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

 

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Scott;

 

I can’t open the link, but you know Kadee is working their way through the PS fleet, and is doing the early PS-1’s as we speak.  You could ask Sam at Kadee directly.  They have his e-mail on their site.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

 

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Rio Grande PS1

 

Yarmouth makes a resin kit of DRGW 40’ cars. Not sure if they’re what you’re looking for, though. 



Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Feb 18, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Unloading 1936 Studebaker bodies from a boxcar?

maynard stowe
 

So, the 1970's SP Verta Pak was not such a new idea.
Maynard Stowe


L&N Woodrack -- 2

Bob Chapman
 

L&N’s #20300-20349 series woodracks began life as 1920s low-side composite gondolas, rebuilt in 1940 into woodracks. F&C’s B&O P-11 flatcar is a near-perfect match for the carbody; as on the prototype, the bulkheads were soldered from used rail. Added detailing includes grabs, brake system, brakestaff, stake pockets, uncoupling levers, diagonal stay rods, and used rail as edge risers. The load is cast plaster.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 
p.s. THANKS for the on- and off-line offers from several STMFC listers to harvest and send natural "logs" from their backyards. I'm already fixed with the plaster loads for the woodrack fleet -- not as nice as the natural material, but OK at three feet. One more example of what a great group this is. Again -- thanks!   
 


Rio Grande PS1

Scott
 

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Wilson reefers.

Douglas Harding
 

I have scans of the following wood Wilson reefers:

WCL 2288 damaged in PA dated 1919, photos of both sides

WCL 2366 nice billboard

WCLX 5173 closeup of roof ice hatches

WCLX 5510 getting ice at ice deck

WCLX 8171 dated 1943

WCLX 8724 at ice deck

WCLX 8724 crop of above image with dimension markings

WCLX 8884

WCLX 9038

WCLX 9258

WCLX 9272 at Maybrook yard

WCLX 9419 at Color at Maybrook yard from Bob’s photos

WCLX 9506 with doors open

WCLX 9536

A close up of the door area of a Wilson car

String of wood Wilson reefers in S Omaha c 1939

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hile via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

Here is a list of wood Wlson car pics from a few sources:

WCL      4218    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    builder photo
WCL      4828    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's    truss rod
WCL      7554    RMJ Aug 1996            1933
WCL      7554    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's
WCLX    8643    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted may 1952
WCLX    8688    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted june 1950
WCLX    8884    RMJ Aug 1996            Kansas City, 1950
WCLX    8966    Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p117    Reading Rutherford Yard, 3/14/48
WCLX    9258    RMJ Aug 1996            San Fran, 1954
WCLX    9350    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    Cedar Rapids, 1961
WCLX    9458    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    after 12-50?
WCLX    9487    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1958
WCLX    9489    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    May 1961, color
WCLX    9556    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    May-60


John Hile


Re: Wilson reefers.

John Hile
 

Mea culpa!  Thanks Steve.  October 1996 RMJ.

John Hile


Re: ACL paint scheme

Ed Mims
 

The ACL rule was that all open top revenue cars were to be black. It did not matter if the coating was paint or car cement. This policy continued with the formation of SCL and beyond. The only exception that I recall was cushion underframe box cars (sliding sill or end-of-car) were painted black. The use of car cement ended in the early 1960s from what I recall. As far as I know the last use of it was on wood chip hoppers. If you see a photo of a wood chip hopper with the stencil paint "bleeding" and running down the car side, that car was coated with car cement. Car cement's only redeeming attribute was that it was cheep. The ACL was too--I worked there (and loved it).

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Unloading 1936 Studebaker bodies from a boxcar?

Bill Parks
 

Doug -

If I remember my Studebaker history correctly, you are correct, they would be unloading the bodies at the LA plant.  The bodies were built in South Bend Indiana, then shipped by rail to LA for final assembly.


--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Unloading 1936 Studebaker bodies from a boxcar?

Doug Auburg
 

This picture is labeled 1936 Studebaker Los Angeles assembly plant (which it may be) but it looks to me as if they are unloading the bodies from a box car so I thought I’d share it.

 

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/1936-studebaker-assembly-plant-photo-83908?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=02-17-21&utm_content=02-17-21-175592&fi=175592#post175592

 

Doug Auburg

 


Re: GN wood sheathed boxcar

Jared Harper
 

Beautiful model.

Jared Harper


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Bob Chapman
 

Clark --
 
Interesting idea! Next time....
 
BobChapman
 
 
At first glance I thought the ends were from a P2K stock car…But that would be way too easy ; ) )


Photo: Santa Fe Automobile Boxcar Class Fe-N (Circa 1930s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Automobile Boxcar Class Fe-N (Circa 1930s)

A photo from the Arizona Memory Project:

https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/digital/collection/ahfrein/id/147/rec/112

Revisiting a previous post (05/22/09   #81648) with a bit more information.

Not a great photo but it can be enlarged. Use arrows and then scroll. Suggest photo editing software to improve the image if you save it.

Description:  

"A Kinner American Eagle being unloaded  from a boxcar at the Phoenix railroad docks.  Shipping by train was just as economical as flying and offered less exposure to the aircraft.  The wings and props were crated and the fuselage covered and wheels blocked."

This is a forty-foot, forty-ton steel underframe car built 7-13 by AC&F. The plate steel end doors on this class had alignment problems due to the flexibility of their wood framed superstructures.

There were just over 1,000 Fe-N cars in the class. Very few survived into the 1940s.

I found a reference to the Kinner American Eagle airplane dating back to 1929 and several from the early 1930s. Another source said the model designation didn't appear until late 1927. Photo:

amereagle_429.jpg (432×196) (aerofiles.com)

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GN wood sheathed boxcar

gtws00
 

Nicely Done! Great looking car.
George Toman
Willow Springs, IL


Re: ACL paint scheme

Matthew Hurst
 

Thank you for the response Ed. 

That is a great help. 

Regards 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799


On Feb 16, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



On Feb 16, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Matthew Hurst <handbt33@...> wrote:

Would anyone know what color the ACL painted their 40’ flatcars in the mid 1940’s?

Thanks in advance 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799

Matthew,
Throughout the 1940s-1950s, ACL’s flat cars & other open-type cars were typically black with white stencils. Some cars received black paint as the final finish coat while others received black car cement as the final coat.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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