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Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Dennis Storzek
 

I was giving some thought to these trucks, wondering why high capacity cars (85 and 90 tons capacity) of the pre-war period all seemed to use clasp brakes while our modern 100 and 125 ton cars don't, and then it dawned on me... composition brake shoes, which, near as I can tell, were developed in the mid fifties. Prior to that the common brake shoe was cast iron, and there must have been a limit to how much braking force could be developed with eight standard shoes per car, and 70 ton cars must have been pretty much it. Clasp brakes, with two shoes per wheel, double the amount of brake shoe contact are and also equalize the forces on the journal bearings, which probably had a good effect on journal bearing life. Anybody aware of a trade press article on the subject?

Dennis Storzek


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Todd Sullivan
 

You might want to check Corey Bonsall's products on eBay.  He sells the D&RGW/UCR heavy duty gondola trucks which appear pretty similar.

Todd Sullivan


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Corey Bonsall
 

Hi Bud,

I haven't been able to find drawings of those specific trucks, but like Tim mentioned, they were also used on the Carbon County Railway 3 bay hoppers here in Utah.  I had found some drawings of the Vulcan 70 ton outside clasp trucks to use on my Rio Grande projects, and taking those with some photos, managed to draft up and print some HO scale outside clasps that I think do justice to the CBC / B&LE trucks.

I haven't had any listed on Ebay for a while, as they didn't seem to be moving very well, but I have recently done a printing campaign of them again, and am working to get them clipped out and boxed up.  Sized to use Exactrail or Intermountain wheelsets (axle length of 1.004"-ish)    $5 / pair of truckframes + shipping; I think my email should show up on this reply, if interested.




Corey Bonsall


Re: N&W B1a and B1b

Steve Summers
 

I’d like a B-1b.  Contact me off line at summers1218@... please.


On Feb 18, 2021, at 8:50 PM, Chad Boas via groups.io <chadboas@...> wrote:


So after a bad paint job, then trying to strip them and warping the sides. I scraped the first ones, made new castings and starting over.
The cars are available. For $30 you get the sides, ends, floor, roof and decals.
Chad Boas

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Re: Rio Grande PS1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Tim,

As I said, Jim Eager's book shows photos of  both a 10' and a 10' 6" IH car from the leased D&RGW series. It was apparently a mixed bag.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 5:55 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have images of SIX of the 50150 to 50499 cars and all them are 10-0 IH and have 7 foot doors.

Exactly one railroad bought 10-0 IH PS-1 box cars with 7 foot doors -  the New Haven. And they
bought 1500 of them!

Some appear to have gone to ACY, some CNW, and some continued on under PC and then CR.
All of the New Haven PS-1's were built before 1950, so the roofs would be the early PS-1 style.

The ORER lists the entire series as 10-6 with 7 foot doors. So don't trust everything in the ORER ! :-D



On 2/18/2021 1:59 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Mike and Scott,

Correct. D&RGW 50150-50499 were leased from USRE in 1966. They were a mixed bag of rebuilt cars, some with a rare 10' IH from the New Haven, and others 10' 6" IH. There are photos of both types and an explanation in Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996). Jim says the Grande ended up buying the lot, and some were in MW service for years. I've heard someplace that this lot included some non-PS1s as well, but I can't confirm that.

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


N&W B1a and B1b

Chad Boas
 

So after a bad paint job, then trying to strip them and warping the sides. I scraped the first ones, made new castings and starting over.
The cars are available. For $30 you get the sides, ends, floor, roof and decals.
Chad Boas


Re: Rio Grande PS1

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Tim O wrote:

> Exactly one railroad bought 10-0 IH PS-1 box cars with 7 foot doors -  the New Haven. And they bought 1500 of them!

Did somebody say 7 foot door?  Isn't that what the old Kurtz Kraft, later Connonball Car Shops, flat kit PS-1 had?   Hmmm....


Scott Chatfield


Re: "steamerafreightcars.com" domain gone?

Tim O'Connor
 


I make a small contribution ($3) to the INTERNET ARCHIVE each month, because they preserve
much of what has been lost already!!Yay for the Wayback Machine!! :-)

I support Wikipedia for the same reason - someone has to do it, and I'd hate to lose that resource! :-D


On 2/18/2021 6:41 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
It looks like a complete version of steamerafreightcars.com from 11-30-20 (as well as earlier copies) is available on the Wayback Machine.  I didn't look in every nook, but it seemed complete to me.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: "steamerafreightcars.com" domain gone?

Dave Parker
 

It looks like a complete version of steamerafreightcars.com from 11-30-20 (as well as earlier copies) is available on the Wayback Machine.  I didn't look in every nook, but it seemed complete to me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Richard Townsend
 

So it does. My bad. Or McKean's.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2021 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1


Unfortunately the 6 foot door disqualifies this model.


On 2/18/2021 2:36 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Here's a McKean version of the taller cars (no warranty of accuracy express or implied):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MCKEAN-HO-RIO-GRANDE-D-RGW-50263-40-PS-1-BOX-CAR-Kit-NOS-LIMITED-EDITION/383956893219?hash=item59659d3e23:g:x2MAAOSwdNpgHCzS

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2021 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

In the July 1966 ORER, this cars is part of series 50150-50499, 350 cars with a note to indicate that they are leased, but carry D&RGW reporting marks.
 
So, probably not original Rio Grande cars.
 
Steve Hile

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


"steamerafreightcars.com" domain gone?

irv_thomae
 

In the past few months, I've frequently looked to the "steamerafreightcars" website for comprehensive prototype data.  Today, I was surprised and concerned to a notice that the domain name is available for anyone to buy.    This usually happens, especially with volunteer organizations, when everyone assumes that someone else has paid the annual fee for renewing the registration of a domain name.
   Although I realize it's not directly connected to this group, some of the same highly respected people have contributed to both, so I hope someone here knows what has happened.    Can the extremely useful material that was available on that website be rescued and made available somewhere else?:
   Thanks,
   Irv


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


If you have any success making the trucks or having trucks cast in resin (e.g. F&C) please let us know. :-)

I believe D&RGW also used trucks of this type on their 70 ton GS gondolas, for which there is a 3D kit.

I think Carbon County was another US Steel road.


On 2/18/2021 3:10 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
Hello,
    Am looking for info and/or drawings for these outside brake hanger trucks as used on the B&LE hoppers. Any help is appreciated.Want to get them 3D printed.
      Bud Rindfleisch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Tim O'Connor
 


I'm fairly sure that's a "Colonel McCoid" photo of PRR 65356 from San Diego, from Bob's collection.


On 2/18/2021 5:43 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:55:58 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?

I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

william darnaby
 

My Yarmouth N&W B5 boxcar came with these trucks and I am impressed with how well these resin trucks roll with IM wheel sets.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

 

Bob,

 

These trucks are PRR class 2D-F24, Buckeye All Service Cushion trucks. F&C made these in resin as an add-on for their X37B kit. They were only used on about 100 X37B and some X38 cars on the PRR. Given that they are a Buckeye design, I would think that they might show up elsewhere.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




Re: Rio Grande PS1

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunately the 6 foot door disqualifies this model.


On 2/18/2021 2:36 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Here's a McKean version of the taller cars (no warranty of accuracy express or implied):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MCKEAN-HO-RIO-GRANDE-D-RGW-50263-40-PS-1-BOX-CAR-Kit-NOS-LIMITED-EDITION/383956893219?hash=item59659d3e23:g:x2MAAOSwdNpgHCzS

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2021 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

In the July 1966 ORER, this cars is part of series 50150-50499, 350 cars with a note to indicate that they are leased, but carry D&RGW reporting marks.
 
So, probably not original Rio Grande cars.
 
Steve Hile

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Tim O'Connor
 


I have images of SIX of the 50150 to 50499 cars and all them are 10-0 IH and have 7 foot doors.

Exactly one railroad bought 10-0 IH PS-1 box cars with 7 foot doors -  the New Haven. And they
bought 1500 of them!

Some appear to have gone to ACY, some CNW, and some continued on under PC and then CR.
All of the New Haven PS-1's were built before 1950, so the roofs would be the early PS-1 style.

The ORER lists the entire series as 10-6 with 7 foot doors. So don't trust everything in the ORER ! :-D



On 2/18/2021 1:59 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Mike and Scott,

Correct. D&RGW 50150-50499 were leased from USRE in 1966. They were a mixed bag of rebuilt cars, some with a rare 10' IH from the New Haven, and others 10' 6" IH. There are photos of both types and an explanation in Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996). Jim says the Grande ended up buying the lot, and some were in MW service for years. I've heard someplace that this lot included some non-PS1s as well, but I can't confirm that.

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

These trucks are PRR class 2D-F24, Buckeye All Service Cushion trucks. F&C made these in resin as an add-on for their X37B kit. They were only used on about 100 X37B and some X38 cars on the PRR. Given that they are a Buckeye design, I would think that they might show up elsewhere.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 18, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?
Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?
I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
<PRR_65356_Trucks_Ray_Breyer_Collection.jpg>


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Allan Smith
 

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:55:58 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?

I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Allan Smith
 


They look very muck like the trucks under the Helium Tank Cars. Just Google Helium Tank Cars and search Tony Thompsons articles and the articles under Amarillo Rail Museum. These trucks are under the MDC Heavy Duty Ore Cars, but with roller bearings.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 12:10:53 PM PST, Bud Rindfleisch <blackdiamondrr@...> wrote:


Hello,
    Am looking for info and/or drawings for these outside brake hanger trucks as used on the B&LE hoppers. Any help is appreciated.Want to get them 3D printed.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
"Yarmouth makes a resin kit of DRGW 40’ cars. Not sure if they’re what you’re looking for, though." 

Not if you're looking for a PS-1...which this model is NOT.


Ben Hom

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