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Re: Rio Grande PS1

Dave Bayless
 


With the discussion about the Rio Grande PS-1's, this brings up another question I have had. These cars came from USRE and many were rebuilt with non PS-1 parts. I no that I have seen a picture of the Rio grande PS1 with diagonal panel roof only I can't find the resource that I saw that picture in. Does anyone know which car numbers received diagonal panel roofs? And if so we're those cars from the New Haven being 10 ft 0 in IH or from another railroad like Lehigh valley being 10 ft 6 in IH. The combination of the PS1 and diagonal panel roof would make an interesting car. Thanks in advance, Dave SilverStreak Bayless
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------ Original message------
From: Tim O'Connor
Date: Sat, Feb 20, 2021 8:55 AM
Cc:
Subject:Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1


I've never heard that before but can someone confirm this about the AHM PS-1... ??

Where did the Walthers PS-1 come from? (I think Accurail acquired that tooling.)


On 2/19/2021 8:06 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Ben and Tim,

IIRC the old AHM body with the separate ladders and a 7' door was 10' IH. I think this car was reissued by Model Power or somebody with the ladders and grabs cast in place. There was an article in the hobby press years ago about upgrading this car, I think to AC&Y (in brilliant yellow paint!). Sadly, it is not in my files.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 6:51 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O' Connor wrote:
"But I think the Kurtz Kraft body was 10-6."

It is...but because it's a flat kit, it's easier to take 6 inches off the height.


Ben Hom


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Tim O'Connor
 


I've never heard that before but can someone confirm this about the AHM PS-1... ??

Where did the Walthers PS-1 come from? (I think Accurail acquired that tooling.)


On 2/19/2021 8:06 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Ben and Tim,

IIRC the old AHM body with the separate ladders and a 7' door was 10' IH. I think this car was reissued by Model Power or somebody with the ladders and grabs cast in place. There was an article in the hobby press years ago about upgrading this car, I think to AC&Y (in brilliant yellow paint!). Sadly, it is not in my files.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 6:51 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O' Connor wrote:
"But I think the Kurtz Kraft body was 10-6."

It is...but because it's a flat kit, it's easier to take 6 inches off the height.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


70 ton loads of coal or limestone on 4 percent grades. Yeah, the Rio Grande thought they
might need some extra braking power! :-P

Remember back in those days box cars rarely weighed more than 50 tons loaded (grain
and lumber being the major exceptions). Hoppers and gondolas could weigh twice as much
when loaded.


On 2/19/2021 9:25 PM, gary laakso wrote:

This was the type of truck used by the DRGW on some gondolas that W&R imported in brass. 

 

Gary Laakso



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Mont Switzer
 

Brian and all,

I'm getting a pretty good scolding on this one so I won’t repeat any more transporter humor. I'll stick to the endless posts all of which are full of useful facts.

Mont

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:30 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Mont, In 50 years someone is going to find your message and think you’re speaking fact. Lol.

We have a hard enough time convincing folks N&W hoppers went over Sherman Hill. Now this. Oi!

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Brian Carlson
 

Mont, In 50 years someone is going to find your message and think you’re speaking fact. Lol.

We have a hard enough time convincing folks N&W hoppers went over Sherman Hill. Now this. Oi!

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Tony Thompson
 

Oh, I wish you hadn’t done this, Mont. I am so tired of the associated foolishness that the humor is long gone.
Tony Thompson 


On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:54 AM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:



However, after loading the helium cars became lighter and therefore less need for the clasp brakes. 

 

One professional railroader told me they had a helium car on the PRR that was overloaded and it actually started to float above the rails.  They had to open a valve to bleed some of the helium off to get it back down on the rails.

 

Or was it on the SP?

 

Mont

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Ford
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

 

Dennis,

Helium tank cars are another example.  They tip the scales at 100 tons, empty.  Not only did the early cars have clasp brake rigging, they had two complete air brakes systems - one for each truck.

That's a lot of braking effort for a net payload of 3000 pounds of Helium.  All the weight came from the 30 welded steel tanks that held the gas. 

$.02,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX


Re: Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Mont Switzer
 

However, after loading the helium cars became lighter and therefore less need for the clasp brakes. 

 

One professional railroader told me they had a helium car on the PRR that was overloaded and it actually started to float above the rails.  They had to open a valve to bleed some of the helium off to get it back down on the rails.

 

Or was it on the SP?

 

Mont

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Ford
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

 

Dennis,

Helium tank cars are another example.  They tip the scales at 100 tons, empty.  Not only did the early cars have clasp brake rigging, they had two complete air brakes systems - one for each truck.

That's a lot of braking effort for a net payload of 3000 pounds of Helium.  All the weight came from the 30 welded steel tanks that held the gas. 

$.02,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX


Re: ACL paint scheme

Ed Mims
 

Larry, it is very likely that the gray cars you saw in your early years were painted with car cement and had weathered. Car cement turn to a flat shade of dark gray fairly quickly.

Ed Mims


Re: HD Truck Tweak?

Corey Bonsall
 

Hi Jeff,

I had seen the helium cars before, but never really noticed the trucks were outside clasp.  I've actually got two different versions of the outside clasp trucks; the CBC / B&LE that have the "turned down" hanger ends, and what I'm calling the Vulcan clasp type that I use for my D&RGW 70 ton offset cars ( and Kennecott Utah Copper ore cars...)  I think the latter would be pretty close for at least one of the plain bearing classes in that handy PDF in the other thread.


Vs.


I haven't played much with adding a lot of finer detail to the trucks, as I'm at the limit of the printer resin in this HO scale size, and the resin isn't as strong or forgiving as acetal.  The journals on these truckframes are already somewhat large as I needed that size to keep enough material around the axle point cone, so they definitely come across as chunky.

Corey Bonsall


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Dave Nelson
 

In one of Kip Harrington’s stories he wrote of ancient east coast HM hoppers being sold “out west” where they showed up hauling coal over Soldier Summit.  These were B&LE cars built before WWI.  They had clasp brakes on them.

 

That suggests clasp brakes were a standard feture on B&LE hoppers, at least in the first half of the 20th century.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Richard Townsend
 

I understand there were some offset side two bay B&LE hoppers that had these trucks, too. At least there was an article, I think in MRG, that showed how to model such.


heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

gary laakso
 

This was the type of truck used by the DRGW on some gondolas that W&R imported in brass. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

spsalso
 

Thank you, Ben.

One of my favorite models from the olden days.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ben and Tim,

IIRC the old AHM body with the separate ladders and a 7' door was 10' IH. I think this car was reissued by Model Power or somebody with the ladders and grabs cast in place. There was an article in the hobby press years ago about upgrading this car, I think to AC&Y (in brilliant yellow paint!). Sadly, it is not in my files.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 6:51 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O' Connor wrote:
"But I think the Kurtz Kraft body was 10-6."

It is...but because it's a flat kit, it's easier to take 6 inches off the height.


Ben Hom






Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"I got it into my head the the B&LE car was the prototype for the Ulrich triple.  Comparing photos, I see that it is not.
Does anyone happen to know what the prototype was for this model?"

Look again - B&LE had more than one type of triple hopper.

See also Richard Hendrickson's article in the March 1984 issue of Prototype Modeler.


Ben Hom


Re: Heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers-Why?

Jeff Ford
 

Dennis,

Helium tank cars are another example.  They tip the scales at 100 tons, empty.  Not only did the early cars have clasp brake rigging, they had two complete air brakes systems - one for each truck.

That's a lot of braking effort for a net payload of 3000 pounds of Helium.  All the weight came from the 30 welded steel tanks that held the gas. 

$.02,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX


HD Truck Tweak?

Jeff Ford
 

Corey,

Nice work on those trucks.  I wonder how much additional work would be involved in tweaking them to replicate the trucks used under the helium cars. Attached is Jay Miller's handout that has views of the various trucks used in the helium fleet.  The biggest difference I can see is the size of the journal boxes.  The He cars rode on 6.5 x 12 journals and the boxes are visibly large.  A second difference for the early cars is the Andrews bracket as the journal boxes were demountable. 

I'd be curious to know what your thoughts are having been down that road. 

Thanks,
Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O' Connor wrote:
"But I think the Kurtz Kraft body was 10-6."

It is...but because it's a flat kit, it's easier to take 6 inches off the height.


Ben Hom


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

spsalso
 

I got it into my head the the B&LE car was the prototype for the Ulrich triple.  Comparing photos, I see that it is not.

Does anyone happen to know what the prototype was for this model?


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Keith Retterer
 

Here is the builder's photo of the B&LE hopper with those massive trucks.  Also a close-up of the truck.
Keith.

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