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Re: Need about 15 HO brake reservoirs for project

Scott H. Haycock
 

Hi Chuck,
 
I found these on Shapeways. They're ABD sets but the cylinders may work, and the price is right! 
 
https://tinyurl.com/2uls9nyc

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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On 02/21/2021 1:41 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
 
 
Group,

I want to start a project to convert about 15 reefer cars from K brakes to AB brakes and need brake reservoirs.  I don't want to steal just the reservoirs from Tichy or other sets and have enough triple valves and brake cylinders to complete the project, so I just need the reservoirs. Anyone have some ideas?  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Need about 15 HO brake reservoirs for project

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

I want to start a project to convert about 15 reefer cars from K brakes to AB brakes and need brake reservoirs.  I don't want to steal just the reservoirs from Tichy or other sets and have enough triple valves and brake cylinders to complete the project, so I just need the reservoirs. Anyone have some ideas?  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Another dry ice car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 11:36 AM, mel perry wrote:
out of curiousity  whose reporting marks?
thanks
I read it as NX 8884. NX was National Car Co., a subsidiary of Fruit Growers Express.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Another dry ice car

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

According to the on line list of railroad reporting marks, NX = Mathieson Dry Ice.

 And NX, of course, is one of the reporting marks of National Car Co., an FGE subsidiary. They leased cars to lots of people, obviously including Mathieson.

Tony Thompson




Re: Another dry ice car

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 12:36 PM, mel perry wrote:
out of curiousity  whose reporting marks?
thanks
;-)
According to the on line list of railroad reporting marks, NX = Mathieson Dry Ice.

Tom Madden
 

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Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 21, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

I notice that the trucks are not the same on the twins and triples. The trucks on the twins have a five position spring arrangement, same as modern 70 ton trucks, and likely a 5'-8" wheelbase, while the 90 ton triples have trucks showing three springs in a line like modern 100 ton trucks, The wheelbase is likely 5'-10" like modern trucks.

Dennis,
According to B&LE diagrams for the 90-ton cars built in 1931 (HT4) through 1941 (HT17, HT19, HT21, HT22), the trucks all had a 5’-8” wheel base as did the HT16 & HT18 cars with 70-ton trucks built in 1936-1937.

Info about the springs are also denoted on these diagrams as follows.

HT4: 9 double coils, ARA Type D per group. Journals 6 1/2 x 12, diagram specifies 33” wheels.
HT16, HT18: 24 Class 158, 24 Class 159. Journals 6 x 11, diagram is silent on the wheel diameter.
HT17, HT19, HT21, HT22: 32 Class 158, 24 Class 159. Journals 6 1/2 x 12, diagram is silent on the wheel diameter.

I’m unsure if this matters, but the two B&LE diagrams for the above HT16 thru HT22 cars have 2’-4 3/8” from the rail to bottom of center sill. Whereas the HT4 cars have 2’-5 1/2” for this same dimension, or 1 1/8” higher from the rail to the bottom of the center sill than the later cars. 

The diagrams do not specify actual dimensions for the center sills but do define the weight per foot. 
- HT4 center sills 40.3#
- Other above classes 36.21#

Drawings in the various Car Builders’ Cyclopedias as I previously mentioned provide some insight about the HT cars built from 1936 and later. Given that ACF built orders of HT4, HT16, and HT18 cars, the National Museum of Transportation has 17 to 21 drawings for each of the lot three numbers (not counting drawings of small parts). However, there are no truck drawings as they are considered a specialty. It’s probable that the Pullman Library would have some drawings for cars built by Standard Steel & Pullman-Standard. 

For anyone interested I can assemble a list of available ACF drawings - just let me know OFF-LIST. 
Regards,
Ed  Hawkins



Re: Dry Ice Cars (was Re: [RealSTMFC] [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

That is a neat history Rich Yoder came up with. Saltville, Virginia, was the home yard for at least some of these cars (says so in at least one photo) at the end of a N&W branch. Mathieson Alkali / Mathieson Chemical had a large extraction operation in Saltville which produced chlorine and caustic soda. I suspect carbon dioxide was a by-product of the refining process which was compressed and shipped as dry ice. They also made hydrazine rocket fuel for the Apollo project here. A whole lot of methylmercury and other nasty stuff was also produced, some of it contaminating the ground and more flowing into the Holston River. Eventually the area became a superfund site. I visited Saltville in the early 1990s, and although there was still some industrial activity, the branchline was out of business with the track still intact. It had briefly, and unsuccessfully, operated as the Saltville Railroad. There was some derelict equipment scattered about. There were also two "stuffed" Mathieson steam locomotives on a concrete pad in the city park, one a very early ex-N&W 2-8-0. AFAIK, the steam locomotives are still there (see https://www.steamlocomotive.info/state.cfm?state=Virginia ), but the branch track does not appear on current Google maps.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 12:14 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
To follow on to Dan Mitchell's summary, here's a quick history of the Mathieson cars from Rich Yoder:


Ben Hom


Re: Another dry ice car

mel perry
 

out of curiousity  whose reporting marks?
thanks
;-)


On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 11:04 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
November 1961 on the CNJ at Lake Junction, NJ. Matheson 8884, a fairly modern plug door dry ice car, follows Erie and LV covered hoppers behind Baldwins 72 and (I think) 74 northbound after picking up the Erie car from the DL&W (officially EL by then) interchange track.

Can't believe it's been over 60 years.....

Tom Madden

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Re: "steamerafreightcars.com" domain gone?

Rob Adams
 

Fellow Steam Freight Car modelers and historians;

    Please rest assured that the steamerafreightcars.com site hasn't perished. 

    The site was down due to a problem resulting from a hosting migration.  My hosting service apparently didn't update the DNS properly when moving things to a new server and as a result the steamerafreightcars.com URL no longer pointed to an active platform.  The problem has been corrected and the site should be working normally.

    Intending to prevent service issues, I have the domain name and hosting set to renew automatically each year, but in this case human error interfered with the service.  All of my hobby sites were impacted by the same problem.  Unfortunately I've been monopolized for the past several months assisting an elderly parent after a health crisis and didn't catch the web hosting problem immediately.  I'm pleased to know that at least some of you still use this resource and regret any inconvenience or concern caused by the outage.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams

Wellman, IA


On 2/18/21 10:25 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Well said, Tim. I follow the same principles.
Tony Thompson 


On Feb 18, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I make a small contribution ($3) to the INTERNET ARCHIVE each month, because they preserve
much of what has been lost already!!Yay for the Wayback Machine!! :-)

I support Wikipedia for the same reason - someone has to do it, and I'd hate to lose that resource! :-D


On 2/18/2021 6:41 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
It looks like a complete version of steamerafreightcars.com from 11-30-20 (as well as earlier copies) is available on the Wayback Machine.  I didn't look in every nook, but it seemed complete to me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

  


Another dry ice car

Tom Madden
 

November 1961 on the CNJ at Lake Junction, NJ. Matheson 8884, a fairly modern plug door dry ice car, follows Erie and LV covered hoppers behind Baldwins 72 and (I think) 74 northbound after picking up the Erie car from the DL&W (officially EL by then) interchange track.

Can't believe it's been over 60 years.....

Tom Madden


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 05:22 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
Photo of repaired 75325 1-53 p. 227, 1953 CBC (also in 1957, 1961).
Links to GSC photos of 60476 5-49, 66624 7-50, 50645 9-55.
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-B/i-LgMSBfp/A
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-B/i-RKmpP4m/A
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-B/i-DMZ24NC/A
You'll notice twin hopper 50645 is stenciled for seventy tons; very unusual for a steam era twin hopper, because 70 tons of coal won't fit in a twin. However, the B&LE was a conveyor belt that took coal north to the lakes and brought iron ore back south, so it makes sense. after all, fifty tons of iron ore is just two little piles in the hopper pockets. The road was obviously ordering cars that could haul a greater load back south.

I notice that the trucks are not the same on the twins and triples. The trucks on the twins have a five position spring arrangement, same as modern 70 ton trucks, and likely a 5'-8" wheelbase, while the 90 ton triples have trucks showing three springs in a line like modern 100 ton trucks, The wheelbase is likely 5'-10" like modern trucks.

Dennis Storzek


In The Pipeline: A New HO Scale Santa Fe Prototype Model

Bob Chaparro
 

In The Pipeline: A New HO Scale Santa Fe Prototype Model

Sometime next month a major manufacture will announce a new, plastic R-T-R HO scale model of a Santa Fe freight car from the early and second-generation diesel eras.

This will be an accurate, highly detailed model developed from official engineering drawings and photographs. With small effort this car can be kit-bashed into other Santa Fe prototypes.

For me personally it represents a five-year quest to bring this car into the market. Along the way I was joined by a small group of very knowledgeable modelers and researchers who contributed greatly to this project.

Expect an announcement from the manufacturer around March 15.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

Douglas Harding
 

Nice photo of a Mather 50’ stockcar. Built by “marrying” two 40’ cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

 

Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

Courtesy of Adam C. Matthews on Facebook. He comments:

"Where's the beef? It's riding the Nickel Plate! Shipping up to six trains of livestock per day, and faster than any other carrier, earned the Nickel Plate Road the nickname “The Meat Express Line.” These shipments were also more profitable than any other commodity the road carried. From the day track laying was completed and operations began, the Nickel Plate Road received an allotment from the Chicago Stock Yard Company of 10% of all livestock traveling east, and this is why the Nickel Plate Road rostered large numbers of stock cars from the start of service.

Pictured is NKP 50-foot single-decked wooden stock car 41001 at Bellevue, OH on August 28, 1966. In two years all livestock business would be a thing of the past."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

Courtesy of Adam C. Matthews on Facebook. He comments:

"Where's the beef? It's riding the Nickel Plate! Shipping up to six trains of livestock per day, and faster than any other carrier, earned the Nickel Plate Road the nickname “The Meat Express Line.” These shipments were also more profitable than any other commodity the road carried. From the day track laying was completed and operations began, the Nickel Plate Road received an allotment from the Chicago Stock Yard Company of 10% of all livestock traveling east, and this is why the Nickel Plate Road rostered large numbers of stock cars from the start of service.

Pictured is NKP 50-foot single-decked wooden stock car 41001 at Bellevue, OH on August 28, 1966. In two years all livestock business would be a thing of the past."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Dry Ice Cars (was Re: [RealSTMFC] [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47)

Benjamin Hom
 

To follow on to Dan Mitchell's summary, here's a quick history of the Mathieson cars from Rich Yoder:


Ben Hom


Re: [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Yes, it is a typical dry-ice car. There were many minor variations. Common owner names were “Mathieson”, "Pure Carbonic", and “Liquid Carbonic” companies.

Some just looked much like normal refrigerator cars, and a number of HO models of conventional reefers have been painted in “dry Ice” livery. Ambroid-Northeastern and Westerfield offered PRR R7 wooden reefers in the silver “Mathieson" paint scheme. Red Ball had a classic wood and cardboard straight-side Sant Fe dry-ice car, and  Varney (1947) had wood and cardboard straight-sided kit.

However many seem to have had the sloped (angled) upper side panels as seen in the photo being discussed. In HO there was a nice stamped aluminum-foil kit from Laconia-Binkley (1950’s) with the tapered sides as shown in the photo. Precision Scale. and Rail-Head also offered brass HO models.

Dan Mitchell
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On Feb 21, 2021, at 9:51 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I don’t have the photo handy, but if memory serves, it’s a dry ice car. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Feb 21, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


Sorry if I missed it, but what is that light colored car left center?
 
Thanks,
Clark
 
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Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Chris Rooney,
    As a fellow S scaler, I am doing a rework of the Am Flyer triple hopper into B&LE which is why I was pushing for these trucks to be made in S. Interesting to note the 36" wheels!
    Bill Morris sells the decals for these cars now.
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Ed Hawkins,
    Wow, thanks ever so much for all this info. Was interesting to see the heavy duty trucks also under the two bay hoppers!
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47

 

I don’t have the photo handy, but if memory serves, it’s a dry ice car. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Feb 21, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:



Sorry if I missed it, but what is that light colored car left center?

 

Thanks,

Clark

 

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Re: [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47

Clark Propst
 

Sorry if I missed it, but what is that light colored car left center?

 

Thanks,

Clark

 

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