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Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Nelson Moyer
 

The loading prohibitions on the stencil under discussion are one of several stencils used by the CB&Q. Kit decals may or may not include these stencils, but they can easily be fund in a decal set offered by Jerry Hamsmith. Jerry’s set includes ‘Return Empty to …’ and For … Loading Only’ stencils, plus several other special instructions. Jerry also offers chalk mark and CB&Q reweigh station decal sets.

 

Nelson Moyer


Nice car by Eric Hansmann in new TKM

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

Nice job on the PRR X23!  Very convincing weathering!

 

Thanks for contributing!

 

Elden Gatwood


Foobie

Ray Hutchison
 

Excerpt from: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2010-March/097205.html

My other vice besides language is model railroading.  In the service of this vice, I subscribe to the e-mail list of the Rock Island Technical Society.  There I have come across a word I had never heard before and did not find in any of the likely dictionaries I consulted.   The word is "foobie," and what it means for those who used it on the RI list is an inauthentic model.  A manufacturer produces a "foobie" by, e.g., making an accurate model of an engine used by the Pennsylvania Railroad and simply painting the same model in Rock Island livery, even though the Rock Island prototype differed in significant ways from the version used by the PR.  It's a common practice (though many manufacturers are now making an effort to be truer to prototype), so there are a lot of foobies out there, but I had never heard the word before last week.  Here are two quotes from messages to the RI list:   The first came in a discussion of a "fantasy" model of an engine soon to be released "just for fun" by a manufacturer (Athearn) in the livery of the RI and several other "fallen flags," even though that engine didn't exist yet when the respective prototype railroads either shut down or were absorbed by other roads.  Some modelers like an occasional "what if" model like this, but others wouldn't have one on their layout, including the author of this sarcastic comment:  "Just put some Intermountain RI cars behind it and you've got a complete foobie train."  The thread went on to discuss the many flaws in the authenticity of the models produced by Intermountain.   Later on in the discussion of Intermountain, somebody wrote:  "The PS2CD 4750's in the blue Did have the wrong car series....If you decide to change the number series with decals, they would be ok for the USRE built clones (I think they have the USRE symbol on the right side of the car), and all their reruns I think still use this car number series from the grey ptd car series. That's a 'fixable foobie', I guess. But you'd think they would have got it by now."   I queried the list about where and when people had first encountered the word and where it might have come from, to which someone answered: "RR guys have co-opted this term, but it is part of the urban dictionary....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  He said he thought he had first encountered it in the model railroad context "a few months ago."    The entry in the Urban Dictionary (
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foobie) that's the most plausible source of the model railroad use is: "Foobie, a compound word made up of fake, and boobies. To describe not only those wondrous silicon orbs that seem to abound everywhere these days, but any variety of artificially enhanced hooters. "'Duuude...check out those boobies.' "'Yeah...total foobies.'"   I don't know anything about the Urban Dictionary, so I don't know whether it's any kind of evidence for actual usage as opposed to self-conscious nonce creations, but clearly the word is in actual use at least by a few model railroaders, among whom it has caught on because it fills a lexical gap that was a concept in search of a word.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add:  I read a group of letters between PRR and a customer where PRR billed the customer for clean-out of a gondola where PRR got back loaded with trash and most damaging, oil drums full of waste oil that had toppled, drenching the entire floor in filthy oil.  It was a wooden floored gon, so the oil penetrated the flooring, and dropped all over the yard where it was discovered.  PRR had to drill holes in the sides and floor to drain it, then used solvent to remove the oil and clean the car up.

 

I think the reason they treated the car the way they did, rather than charging the customer for a new floor, was that PRR was always so short of gons.

 

I recreated that car in HO, to entertain my friends and operators, who I expected to bad order when it came on-layout.  The drip marks down the side are prominent.

 

Everyone needs some bad order cars.

 

And we wonder why rail yards are so contaminated!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

 

Guys;

 

There are literally tons of correspondence on violations of instructions & stenciling I have read, where RRs like PRR, P&LE and P&WV wrote to their counterparts or customers, sometimes sending them a bill for clean-up or replacement of dedicated equipment.  It was a very common occurrence.

 

Destroyed or disposed of dedicated equipment was especially costly, while shovel-out and/or steam-cleaning less so.  Loss of things like cross-bars and belts, were very expensive, since you had to go back to Evans, for example, for replacements.

 

Don’t get me started on damage to cars!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 3:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

 

Bob,

Another form of an answer to your question about penalties is this:  We had a Manager of Clerks, R. H. Blackburn, who would likely be the person to have a conversation with you if you screwed up and assigned a really good boxcar to be loaded with gook.  I experienced R. H.'s displeasure one or two times, and it was not something I knowingly would set myself up for.  He would chew you up one side and own the other, turn you inside out and start over.  Not a fun experience.  (To be fair to R.H. he was even-handed, and did a lot of good things for me during my employment.)

OTOH, I suppose some agent in a remote town could assign the car for gook loading and contaminate it, and then pay no penalty, but there were other managers in the field who looked over their shoulders, so they could be caught. 

I'm sure others can chime in with other opinions and experiences.

Todd Sullivan


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

There are literally tons of correspondence on violations of instructions & stenciling I have read, where RRs like PRR, P&LE and P&WV wrote to their counterparts or customers, sometimes sending them a bill for clean-up or replacement of dedicated equipment.  It was a very common occurrence.

 

Destroyed or disposed of dedicated equipment was especially costly, while shovel-out and/or steam-cleaning less so.  Loss of things like cross-bars and belts, were very expensive, since you had to go back to Evans, for example, for replacements.

 

Don’t get me started on damage to cars!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 3:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

 

Bob,

Another form of an answer to your question about penalties is this:  We had a Manager of Clerks, R. H. Blackburn, who would likely be the person to have a conversation with you if you screwed up and assigned a really good boxcar to be loaded with gook.  I experienced R. H.'s displeasure one or two times, and it was not something I knowingly would set myself up for.  He would chew you up one side and own the other, turn you inside out and start over.  Not a fun experience.  (To be fair to R.H. he was even-handed, and did a lot of good things for me during my employment.)

OTOH, I suppose some agent in a remote town could assign the car for gook loading and contaminate it, and then pay no penalty, but there were other managers in the field who looked over their shoulders, so they could be caught. 

I'm sure others can chime in with other opinions and experiences.

Todd Sullivan


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice car, Chuck!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Here is a Westerfield Mathieson Dry Ice Reefer model.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Dick wrote:

some time ago I uploaded a Return m'tys via list to the files.
It barely makes this lists timeline however it shows that the railroad mgmt. provided some guidance and I would think in concert with that, could be used as a basis for discipline as Todd lists. 

SP regularly issued "Equipment Instructions" to divisions, stating how various empties would be handled. I constructed a composite version suited to the era and locale of my layout. then I wrote a blog post about that topic, and included in it a link to a copy of my document on Google Docs. If interested, it's here:


Tony Thompson




Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

np328
 

    Bob, 
some time ago I uploaded a Return m'tys via list to the files.
It barely makes this lists timeline however it shows that the railroad mgmt. provided some guidance and I would think in concert with that, could be used as a basis for discipline as Todd lists. 

And of the post by Ken, I believe he is correct also.   I recall reading a letter to the AAR(?) found in my studied railroad's General Managers files in that when a relatively young boxcar went off line, it went through five different railroads before it came home and was found with - oil stains on the floor and lining in addition to scoring marks from 55 gallon drums, rendered the car unfit in any manner to haul high value commodities that that a car of that value - and the AAR was asked to investigate shipping waybills of the other roads and force the offender to cover the costs of deeply sanding the floor and replacing some liner boards.                                                                                                         Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN                                                                     


Re: Another dry ice car

 

Or weathered silver?

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:04 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

For the car I photographed in 1961, it really looks to be gray. With red ends. Here's a cropped portion of the photo I took just prior to the other one, while the Baldwins were picking up the Erie covered hopper from the interchange track.

Tom Madden

 


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 03:50 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
"...they have a horizontal seam running the length of the side, like many all steel meat reefers."
Not so sure this is a spotting feature of meat reefers. ART had RS reefers with the horizontal rivet seam and I've seen a lot of steel sheathed meat reefers lacking the seam. Perhaps this is a builder's spotting feature?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Steve Hile,
    Yes, I saw the horizontal riveted seam, had planned that with a strip of Evergreen and Archer rivets but I didn't realize the length was longer, that's kind of a deal breaker now. Thanks for the info, guess I'll just stick with the wood Wilson's.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Another dry ice car

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

For the car I photographed in 1961, it really looks to be gray. With red ends. Here's a cropped portion of the photo I took just prior to the other one, while the Baldwins were picking up the Erie covered hopper from the interchange track.

Tom Madden

 


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

mel perry
 

bud:
didn't john do a version with the seam?
the rest would be a standby foobie
;-)
mel


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 2:54 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Doug,
    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bud,

 

There are a couple of challenges with these steel Wilson reefers, as compared to PFE R-40-23.  One, they have a horizontal seam running the length of the side, like many all steel meat reefers.

 

Two, they are 44’11” outside length, so 10% longer than a 40 foot reefer.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

 

Doug,

    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!

     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Another dry ice car

Chuck Cover
 

Here is a Westerfield Mathieson Dry Ice Reefer model.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Another dry ice car

 

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

 

Here are color photos of other DICX cars, and they’re white.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2021 at 12:24 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Wotta Door! On CINX 5050.

 

Any clues on the colors of D.I.C.X. 190 ?  And is that a Mathieson car?  Unusual to have the reporting letters and the number on the same line between the lines above and below.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Here’s some from my collection.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Doug,
    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Chris,
    I'm not 100% certain what Corey is doing for the journals on the HO trucks, whether the conical shape is molded into the sideframes or Tichy Delrin inserts are used. Either way the axle length needed to be determined for proper bolster length in the design phase. Keeping my fingers crossed these will come to fruition for us in S.
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Craig Wilson
 

GBW 40' PS-1 boxcars (700-899) in their original PS paint had similar lettering in the same location just to the left of the door:

"THIS CAR MUST NOT BE
LOADED WITH ANY
COMMODITY THAT WILL
RENDER IT UNFIT FOR
FLOUR OR PAPER LOADING"
(GBW 897, BLT 11-58, NOR 6.58)

Craig Wilson


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob,

Not an answer to your question, but in the 1970s I remember seeing WP 50' boxcars in Sacramento Northern's West Sacramento Yard that were stenciled as restricted to scrap battery loading. Lead is nasty stuff.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:47 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

This photo of CB&Q Boxcar 25776 was posted on the CB&Q Group by Hol Wagner.

What caught my eye was the stencil spelling out what commodities should not be loaded in this car:

DO NOT LOAD WITH LIME SODA ASH

BULK CEMENT CARBON BLACK HIDES

OIL TAR AND CREOSOTE PRODUCTS OR

ANY COMMODITY THAT WILL RENDER

IT UNFIT FOR FLOUR OR GRAIN LOADING

I wonder how often these loading restrictions were violated and what penalties were applied as a result?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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