Re: [NonDoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
It does!
Good to see you still participating. Great issue of TKM!
Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of naptownprr
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 3:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NonDoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
Thanks, Elden. I guess I'm being too obvious.
Jim Hunter
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I suggest that "foobie" may have some relation to "boobie."
Jim Hunter
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Guys;
I can attest to the fact that “foobie” was a term in use in SoCal while I was living there, midlate 80’s at earliest, early 90’s at latest, to refer to a certain part of female anatomy
enhanced or altered, thereby, not real, but fake.
I suspect, not fact, that it originated in surfer & skateboard cultures, since that is where I first heard its frequent usage.
It has been taken up by others, but I heard it many times in bars, surf hangouts, restaurants, etc., in that timeframe.
It is good use of that term in our hobby!
Elden Gatwood
I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
Dave
I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie"  but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century.
:P
Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey 
From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?
What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.
Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)
Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)
Foobie 3: An semiinaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)
Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 HiCube, F box decorated for xxx)
Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)
Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)
Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.
Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.
Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.
Dave Hussey
On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:
I always assumed it was a Richard Hendricksonism. It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s
email list.
....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Old painting and stencil drawings in my collection indicate that the ACL began painting flat cars black in about 1927. At least the oldest drawing I have with black paint specified was revised in 1927 to change to black. Before that they were painted dark green as shown in the revision notes on several drawings. Interestingly enough trucks on flat cars were painted with black "asphaltum" which may have been the material which was later referred to as car cement. More research is needed on this. So, I think John Golden is correct that gons and flats were "always black" at least after 1927. It is possible that all open top cars were painted black beginning in 1927 or there about.
The stencil color on all black open top cars is shown as white.
Ed Mims


Request help for a 1928 Equipment Register
From Ted Cullota's series of books, "Focus on the Freight Car vol ten other freight car types" has some great photos of various tank cars pictured from the 1930s. One of particular interest to me is the Rio Grande Oil Co., R.G.O.X. 234. The 10000 gallon tank car is a type 17 GATC design.
I would like to know if any of these cars date back to 1928 and if so, what numbers were assigned?
Thanks for any help for this project.
Andy Carlson Ojai CA


O Fenton Wells
As an old submariner, with diesel exhaust and hydraulic oil still in my system I can attest to that, the we used it on the 'boats' was a little less gentlemanly, I'm afraid. Just say'in Fenton
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:10 AM Marty McGuirk < mjmcguirk@...> wrote: FUBAR is indeed a Navy expression dating to at least WWII and is still in use today. Heard it in a meeting yesterday in fact ... And the Navy context, and I believe Richard’s use of the derivative foobie, has nothing to do with boobies.
Marty McGuirk On Feb 23, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
And as you said, Tony, didn't our late resident linguist say 'foobie" was derived from "FUBAR?" That seems pretty authoritative to me.
Because FUBAR is an acronym... and it would have worked just as well as a noun. Stands to reason that since the F and U are important to the message being conveyed, that they would be retained in the new form; FUBEE, or FUBIE, with some descriptive words chosen so the result was still an acronym. Since such is not the case, I'm of the opinion that the origin is a contraction of "fake boobies", since fake is the demeaning idea Sir Richard wanted to convey. It doesn't make any difference if "foobie" never entered the general language; someone would only have to hear it once to latch on to it. Foobie certainly has the sound of the drivel TV writers have been pushing on use for the last sixty or so years. As Smokey Stover would say, "Where there's foo there's fire!" Dennis Storzek


FUBAR is indeed a Navy expression dating to at least WWII and is still in use today. Heard it in a meeting yesterday in fact ... And the Navy context, and I believe Richard’s use of the derivative foobie, has nothing to do with boobies.
Marty McGuirk
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On Feb 23, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
And as you said, Tony, didn't our late resident linguist say 'foobie" was derived from "FUBAR?" That seems pretty authoritative to me.
Because FUBAR is an acronym... and it would have worked just as well as a noun. Stands to reason that since the F and U are important to the message being conveyed, that they would be retained in the new form; FUBEE, or FUBIE, with some descriptive words chosen so the result was still an acronym. Since such is not the case, I'm of the opinion that the origin is a contraction of "fake boobies", since fake is the demeaning idea Sir Richard wanted to convey. It doesn't make any difference if "foobie" never entered the general language; someone would only have to hear it once to latch on to it. Foobie certainly has the sound of the drivel TV writers have been pushing on use for the last sixty or so years. As Smokey Stover would say, "Where there's foo there's fire!" Dennis Storzek


Thanks for the explanation, makes me appreciate the benefits of living in a temperate climate.
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 01:50, lsittler < lsittler@...> wrote:
Okay I guess from my experience in the Law Department we dealt with the
issue of load dividers and the potential for injury that those dividers created.
I should have checked the ORER before writing my comments.
From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
Les Sittler wrote:
My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE.
Almost. The ORER says that RBL stands for "Refrigerator Bunkerless Loading
devices." (Not all loaders had dividers.)


Re: Seeking Logos For Bulk Oil Tanks
Bill Pardie wrote:
Is there a decal set that features the logos (Gulf, Flying A, etc.) for the ends of the tanks at a bulk oil distributor?
Bill, Microscale has a bunch of sets for various gasoline companies, and if you want smaller logos, use the N scale sets.


Seeking Logos For Bulk Oil Tanks
Is there a decal set that features the logos (Gulf, Flying A, etc.) for the ends of the tanks at a bulk oil distributor?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Bill.Pardie


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers


Douglas Harding
Came through perfect on my screen. I was able to read it easily and also copy and dump into a spreadsheet. Appreciate you posting. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse Sorry – it looked much better on my screen than here. What’s in that reefer? The following is from a conductor’s record on the Santa Fe between Dodge City and Newton Kansas, 1923 Train  Order  ID  Car#  Type  Car Detail  Contents  Final Destination  Ex 1861 82823  52  IC  59540  R  42' 5900159994  Bans  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1857 90123  28  (SF)RD  10748  R  RRS 40'  Caby  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  33  PFE  50752  R  40' R3013 5000152775  Caby  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1869 82023  49  PFE  10509  R  40' R306 1012213219  Caby  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  21  PFE  14055  R  40' R30111328015919  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  20  URT  82155  R  40' 8200082999  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  35  (SF)RD  6510  R  RRO 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  44  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  61  (SF)RD  7634  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  40  (SF)RD  8655  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  55  (SF)RD  8938  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  52  (SF)RD  9339  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  63  (SF)RD  9498  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  51  (SF)RD  11501  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  50  (SF)RD  11763  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  53  (SF)RD  13014  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  39  (SF)RD  13973  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  31  (SF)RD  17384  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  42  (SF)RD  17398  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  54  (SF)RD  17501  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  41  (SF)RD  19089  R  RRY 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  16  (SF)RD  17045  R  RRX 41'  Cants  191 Nemo, IL  Ex 1873 82923  57  (SF)RD  6563  R  RRO 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  37  (SF)RD  8359  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  35  (SF)RD  9152  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  66  (SF)RD  10430  R  RRS 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  32  (SF)RD  11665  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  36  (SF)RD  11696  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  65  (SF)RD  13012  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  58  (SF)RD  13166  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  56  (SF)RD  13627  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  67  (SF)RD  14097  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  62  (SF)RD  15768  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  33  (SF)RD  15932  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  38  (SF)RD  16941  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  34  (SF)RD  17729  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  64  (SF)RD  18983  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  49  (SF)RD  19194  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  30  (SF)RD  19195  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1869 82023  46  (SF)RD  12006  R  RRT 41'  Cants  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  59  (SF)RD  2355  R  RRN 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  43  (SF)RD  7532  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  48  (SF)RD  8837  R  RRR 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  60  (SF)RD  9780  R  RRS 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 81423  22  (SF)RD  6356  R  RRO 40'  Co. Mtl  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1857 90123  64  (SF)RD  14580  R  RRW 41'  Eggs  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 83023  59  (SF)RD  15135  R  RRW 41'  Gch 113a  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1861 82823  53  (SF)RD  11837  R  RRT 41'  Grapes  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  52  (SF)RD  8002  R  RRQ 41'  Lettuce  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  63  FW&D  20003  R  40' 2000120100  Lettuce  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  10  (SF)RD  17726  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  11  (SF)RD  18468  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1861 82823  35  (SF)RD  8831  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  19  (SF)RD  10047  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  4  (SF)RD  10760  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  33  (SF)RD  12859  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  41  (SF)RD  17974  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  29  (SF)RD  18241  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  5  (SF)RD  9279  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1353 Isleta, NM  #84 5171923  4  (SF)RD  4480  R  RRG 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #84 51923  3  (SF)RD  6503  R  RRO 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #83 51823  2  (SF)RD  8306  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  #83 5161923  2  (SF)RD  9441  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  2  (SF)RD  8251  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  40  (SF)RD  8845  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  30  (SF)RD  18242  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  26  (SF)RD  18251  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  39  (SF)RD  7580  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  Ex 1846 92923  31  (SF)RD  18244  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  66  (SF)RD  17267  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  637 Newton, KS  Ex 1873 81423  48  (SF)RD  1840  R  RRN 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  35  (SF)RD  6759  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  36  (SF)RD  7123  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  34  (SF)RD  9613  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  46  (SF)RD  10258  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  47  (SF)RD  10458  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  44  (SF)RD  10881  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  38  (SF)RD  11233  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  50  (SF)RD  12705  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  51  (SF)RD  12729  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  49  (SF)RD  13821  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  45  (SF)RD  14432  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  63  (SF)RD  7963  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  64  (SF)RD  8754  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 83023  18  (SF)RD  9048  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  8  (SF)RD  11109  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  6  (SF)RD  12814  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  57  (SF)RD  13142  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  57  (SF)RD  17254  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  3  (SF)RD  17436  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  65  (SF)RD  17942  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  7  (SF)RD  19246  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  18  (SF)RD  14586  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  993 La Junta, CO  Ex 1846 92923  15  ART  16288  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  #84 52223  2  ART  16730  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  Ex 1861 82823  3  RAOX  122  R  Roberts & Oake, 36' Reefer, no meat rails, NATX  Meat  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1857 90123  9  FGEX  27251  R  40' 2600029999  Onions  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  27  (SF)RD  7892  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  17  (SF)RD  8170  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  29  NP  95758  R  40' 9490095999  Pares (Pears)  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  30  ART  22120  R  40' 2100022999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  39  NP  96588  R  40' 9650097999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  62  RI  67189  R  CRI&P 40' 6600067499  Peaches  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  49  (SF)RD  19408  R  RRY 41'  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  2  MRLX  8402  R  36' 600011149  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1208 Las Vegas, NM  Ex 1857 90123  31  IC  54763  R  42' 5400155000  Prunes  564, Emporia, KS  Ex 1857 90123  43  NYC  156205  R  Leased to Merchants Despatch  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  45  PFE  8913  R  40' R305 710110121  Prunes  3138 Independence, KS  Ex 1857 90123  18  PFE  15046  R  40' R30111328015919  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  36  PFE  16922  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  46  PFE  696  R  40' 16600  Prunes  4470 Anthony, KS  Ex 1857 90123  44  PFE  26317  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  56  (SF)RD  9405  R  RRR 41'  Salt  16049 Miami, TX  Ex 1873 82923  69  ART  10621  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1873 82923  45  ART  15697  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1857 90123  23  ART  16706  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1712 Ponca City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  68  ART  11368  R  40' 1100012999  Spuds  1776 Guthrie, OK  Ex 1857 90123  47  ART  10881  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  47  ART  13010  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1844 90323  18  ART  15171  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  3551 Great Bend, KS  #78 12271922  64  ART  10769  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  70  ART  16914  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  564 Emporia, KS  Ex 1873 82923  46  ART  13466  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  6655 Enid, OK  Ex 1873 82923  72  ART  10629  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  754 Kinsley, KS  Ex 1869 82023  54  FGEX  25601  R  40' 2550025999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1857 90123  19  FGEX  23419  R  40' 2300024999  Spuds  8450 Ardmore, OK  Ex 1869 82023  55  IC  59578  R  42' 5900159994  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1869 82023  48  PFE  2857  R  40' 16600  Spuds  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1873 82923  71  PFE  16423  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2194 Wellington, KSK  Ex 1857 90123  25  PFE  19381  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  37  PFE  5155  R  40' 16600  Spuds  3225 Bartlesville, OK  Ex 1869 82023  56  PFE  1663  R  40' 16600  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  24  PFE  15443  R  40' R30111328015919  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  34  PFE  16788  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  38  PFE  907  R  40' 16600  Spuds  8218 Temple, TX  Ex 1857 90123  32  URT  82742  R  40' 8200082999  Spuds  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  50  (SF)RD  7559  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  22  (SF)RD  8091  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  26  (SF)RD  11757  R  RRT 41'  Vgts  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1869 82023  53  (SF)RD  16754  R  RRX 41'  Vgts  5131 Shawnee, OK  Ex 1869 82023  47  (SF)RD  9334  R  RRR 41'  Vgts  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  51  (SF)RD  9918  R  RRS 40'  Vgts  9571 Beaumont, TX  Ex 1873 82923  25  (SF)RD  4955  R  RRH 40'  X (Mty)  639 Sand Creek, KS  Ex 1873 81823  27  (SF)RD  17668  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)  940 Lamar, CO  Ex 83023  57  (SF)RD  1983  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  56  (SF)RD  2251  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  11  (SF)RD  3636  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  51  (SF)RD  6619  R  RRO 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  59  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  45  (SF)RD  7106  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  52  (SF)RD  7328  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  30  (SF)RD  7622  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  9  (SF)RD  7932  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  54  (SF)RD  8498  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  58  (SF)RD  8530  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  14  (SF)RD  8537  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  46  (SF)RD  8712  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  40  (SF)RD  8777  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  12  (SF)RD  9547  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  28  (SF)RD  9690  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  18  (SF)RD  9717  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  30  (SF)RD  10227  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  11  (SF)RD  10742  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  17  (SF)RD  10873  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  55  (SF)RD  11430  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  31  (SF)RD  11981  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  36  (SF)RD  12065  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  15  (SF)RD  12433  R  RRU 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  27  (SF)RD  13178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  28  (SF)RD  13212  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  39  (SF)RD  13783  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  69  (SF)RD  13902  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  31  (SF)RD  13953  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  29  (SF)RD  14178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  25  (SF)RD  14351  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  29  (SF)RD  14481  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  10  (SF)RD  14704  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  3  (SF)RD  14866  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  42  (SF)RD  15468  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  53  (SF)RD  15524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  52  (SF)RD  15852  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  34  (SF)RD  16019  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  26  (SF)RD  16245  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  57  (SF)RD  16347  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  41  (SF)RD  16528  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  35  (SF)RD  16708  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  53  (SF)RD  17242  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  32  (SF)RD  17524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  33  (SF)RD  17554  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  32  (SF)RD  18979  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  23  (SF)RD  19064  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  24  (SF)RD  19065  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  24  ART  13169  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  22  ART  15238  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  25  ART  15693  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  20  ART  15991  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  10  ART  10481  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  25  ART  10749  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  6  ART  11104  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  61  ART  11126  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  44  ART  12073  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  76  ART  12217  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  3  ART  12637  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  19  ART  12640  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  73  ART  12796  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  4  ART  13998  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  49  ART  14038  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  62  ART  14107  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  50  ART  14291  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  5  ART  14482  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  24  ART  15311  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  55  ART  15761  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  47  ART  16605  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  17  ART  16785  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  4  ART  22153  R  40' 2100022999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  7  ART  24104  R  38' 2300024999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  43  ART  25247  R  36' 2500025399  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  56  ART  12129  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  54  C&S  50050  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1873 81423  62  C&S  50079  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  18  C&S  50143  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  37  C&S  50215  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  #78 12271922  59  IC  54971  R  42' 5400155000  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  60  IC  59232  R  42' 5900159994  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 9223  19  NRCX  3276  R  40' 30003499  X (Mty)  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  23  PFE  5204  R  40' 16600  X (Mty)  3647 McPherson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  25  SLRX  2744  R  St.Louis Refrig., Mfg. RR, 36' RB 220003598  X (Mty)  412 Henrietta, MO  Ex 1844 90323  56  SRL  7270  R  32' 700007699  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO 
J. Stephen Sandifer Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


In 1936 the Santa Fe rebuilt 13 cars from RR11 series into dry ice cars. 60006002 were modified with three compartments and three small side doors. These were modified again in 1949 to look like a traditional reefer but with two compartments accessible through the door on the side. These were assigned to Spencer Chemical dry ice service. They were rebuilt into other cars in 195354. 60036006 were modified into three compartments with three side doors. They were sold to Spencer Chemical in 1949 and became SCJX 300303. 60076012 were modified into four compartments with 4 side doors. They were rebuilt into RR50 cars in 1951. Sunshine kit 68.1 models the 6000, 68.2 models 60016005, and 68.3 models 60076012. Charlie Slater did the masters.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:20 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car Tom
Here are two more with gray sides and red ends  we may need to compile a timeline of ownership! :)
On 2/22/2021 7:04 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote: As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.
For the car I photographed in 1961, it really looks to be gray. With red ends. Here's a cropped portion of the photo I took just prior to the other one, while the Baldwins were picking up the Erie covered hopper from the interchange track.
Tom Madden Attachments:
 Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Need about 15 HO brake reservoirs for project
Found 7 from recent builds. Additional ones from years past are still packed away in the basement. Will put in the mail tomorrow. If you ever end up with extra KC brakes, let me know as I can always use those.   RJ Dial Mendocino, CA


Re: [NonDoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar
Tony,
I suspect that the lease was like the current automobile leases  that the lessee was responsible for keeping the vehicle in good repair with all its parts, and for returning the leased vehicle at the end of the lease in good condition (normal wear and tear excepted) with all its parts, or else the lessee would have to pay damages or replace the missing parts. If the railroad bought the car from the lessor, there would be no deduction for missing hardware, as the lessee was responsible for those items during the lease.
Ken Montero
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On 02/23/2021 3:05 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Elden Gatwood wrote:
Destroyed or disposed of dedicated equipment was especially costly, while shovelout and/or steamcleaning less so. Loss of things like crossbars and belts, were very expensive, since you had to go back to Evans, for example, for replacements.
But many of the GAE cars were leased to the railroads. Did not the lessor own that loader equipment?


Sorry – it looked much better on my screen than here.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse What’s in that reefer? The following is from a conductor’s record on the Santa Fe between Dodge City and Newton Kansas, 1923 Train  Order  ID  Car#  Type  Car Detail  Contents  Final Destination  Ex 1861 82823  52  IC  59540  R  42' 5900159994  Bans  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1857 90123  28  (SF)RD  10748  R  RRS 40'  Caby  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  33  PFE  50752  R  40' R3013 5000152775  Caby  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1869 82023  49  PFE  10509  R  40' R306 1012213219  Caby  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  21  PFE  14055  R  40' R30111328015919  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  20  URT  82155  R  40' 8200082999  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  35  (SF)RD  6510  R  RRO 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  44  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  61  (SF)RD  7634  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  40  (SF)RD  8655  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  55  (SF)RD  8938  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  52  (SF)RD  9339  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  63  (SF)RD  9498  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  51  (SF)RD  11501  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  50  (SF)RD  11763  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  53  (SF)RD  13014  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  39  (SF)RD  13973  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  31  (SF)RD  17384  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  42  (SF)RD  17398  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  54  (SF)RD  17501  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  41  (SF)RD  19089  R  RRY 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  16  (SF)RD  17045  R  RRX 41'  Cants  191 Nemo, IL  Ex 1873 82923  57  (SF)RD  6563  R  RRO 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  37  (SF)RD  8359  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  35  (SF)RD  9152  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  66  (SF)RD  10430  R  RRS 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  32  (SF)RD  11665  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  36  (SF)RD  11696  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  65  (SF)RD  13012  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  58  (SF)RD  13166  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  56  (SF)RD  13627  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  67  (SF)RD  14097  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  62  (SF)RD  15768  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  33  (SF)RD  15932  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  38  (SF)RD  16941  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  34  (SF)RD  17729  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  64  (SF)RD  18983  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  49  (SF)RD  19194  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  30  (SF)RD  19195  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1869 82023  46  (SF)RD  12006  R  RRT 41'  Cants  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  59  (SF)RD  2355  R  RRN 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  43  (SF)RD  7532  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  48  (SF)RD  8837  R  RRR 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  60  (SF)RD  9780  R  RRS 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 81423  22  (SF)RD  6356  R  RRO 40'  Co. Mtl  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1857 90123  64  (SF)RD  14580  R  RRW 41'  Eggs  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 83023  59  (SF)RD  15135  R  RRW 41'  Gch 113a  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1861 82823  53  (SF)RD  11837  R  RRT 41'  Grapes  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  52  (SF)RD  8002  R  RRQ 41'  Lettuce  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  63  FW&D  20003  R  40' 2000120100  Lettuce  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  10  (SF)RD  17726  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  11  (SF)RD  18468  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1861 82823  35  (SF)RD  8831  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  19  (SF)RD  10047  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  4  (SF)RD  10760  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  33  (SF)RD  12859  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  41  (SF)RD  17974  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  29  (SF)RD  18241  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  5  (SF)RD  9279  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1353 Isleta, NM  #84 5171923  4  (SF)RD  4480  R  RRG 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #84 51923  3  (SF)RD  6503  R  RRO 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #83 51823  2  (SF)RD  8306  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  #83 5161923  2  (SF)RD  9441  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  2  (SF)RD  8251  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  40  (SF)RD  8845  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  30  (SF)RD  18242  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  26  (SF)RD  18251  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  39  (SF)RD  7580  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  Ex 1846 92923  31  (SF)RD  18244  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  66  (SF)RD  17267  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  637 Newton, KS  Ex 1873 81423  48  (SF)RD  1840  R  RRN 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  35  (SF)RD  6759  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  36  (SF)RD  7123  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  34  (SF)RD  9613  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  46  (SF)RD  10258  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  47  (SF)RD  10458  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  44  (SF)RD  10881  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  38  (SF)RD  11233  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  50  (SF)RD  12705  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  51  (SF)RD  12729  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  49  (SF)RD  13821  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  45  (SF)RD  14432  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  63  (SF)RD  7963  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  64  (SF)RD  8754  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 83023  18  (SF)RD  9048  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  8  (SF)RD  11109  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  6  (SF)RD  12814  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  57  (SF)RD  13142  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  57  (SF)RD  17254  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  3  (SF)RD  17436  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  65  (SF)RD  17942  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  7  (SF)RD  19246  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  18  (SF)RD  14586  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  993 La Junta, CO  Ex 1846 92923  15  ART  16288  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  #84 52223  2  ART  16730  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  Ex 1861 82823  3  RAOX  122  R  Roberts & Oake, 36' Reefer, no meat rails, NATX  Meat  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1857 90123  9  FGEX  27251  R  40' 2600029999  Onions  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  27  (SF)RD  7892  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  17  (SF)RD  8170  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  29  NP  95758  R  40' 9490095999  Pares (Pears)  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  30  ART  22120  R  40' 2100022999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  39  NP  96588  R  40' 9650097999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  62  RI  67189  R  CRI&P 40' 6600067499  Peaches  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  49  (SF)RD  19408  R  RRY 41'  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  2  MRLX  8402  R  36' 600011149  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1208 Las Vegas, NM  Ex 1857 90123  31  IC  54763  R  42' 5400155000  Prunes  564, Emporia, KS  Ex 1857 90123  43  NYC  156205  R  Leased to Merchants Despatch  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  45  PFE  8913  R  40' R305 710110121  Prunes  3138 Independence, KS  Ex 1857 90123  18  PFE  15046  R  40' R30111328015919  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  36  PFE  16922  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  46  PFE  696  R  40' 16600  Prunes  4470 Anthony, KS  Ex 1857 90123  44  PFE  26317  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  56  (SF)RD  9405  R  RRR 41'  Salt  16049 Miami, TX  Ex 1873 82923  69  ART  10621  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1873 82923  45  ART  15697  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1857 90123  23  ART  16706  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1712 Ponca City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  68  ART  11368  R  40' 1100012999  Spuds  1776 Guthrie, OK  Ex 1857 90123  47  ART  10881  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  47  ART  13010  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1844 90323  18  ART  15171  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  3551 Great Bend, KS  #78 12271922  64  ART  10769  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  70  ART  16914  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  564 Emporia, KS  Ex 1873 82923  46  ART  13466  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  6655 Enid, OK  Ex 1873 82923  72  ART  10629  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  754 Kinsley, KS  Ex 1869 82023  54  FGEX  25601  R  40' 2550025999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1857 90123  19  FGEX  23419  R  40' 2300024999  Spuds  8450 Ardmore, OK  Ex 1869 82023  55  IC  59578  R  42' 5900159994  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1869 82023  48  PFE  2857  R  40' 16600  Spuds  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1873 82923  71  PFE  16423  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2194 Wellington, KSK  Ex 1857 90123  25  PFE  19381  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  37  PFE  5155  R  40' 16600  Spuds  3225 Bartlesville, OK  Ex 1869 82023  56  PFE  1663  R  40' 16600  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  24  PFE  15443  R  40' R30111328015919  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  34  PFE  16788  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  38  PFE  907  R  40' 16600  Spuds  8218 Temple, TX  Ex 1857 90123  32  URT  82742  R  40' 8200082999  Spuds  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  50  (SF)RD  7559  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  22  (SF)RD  8091  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  26  (SF)RD  11757  R  RRT 41'  Vgts  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1869 82023  53  (SF)RD  16754  R  RRX 41'  Vgts  5131 Shawnee, OK  Ex 1869 82023  47  (SF)RD  9334  R  RRR 41'  Vgts  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  51  (SF)RD  9918  R  RRS 40'  Vgts  9571 Beaumont, TX  Ex 1873 82923  25  (SF)RD  4955  R  RRH 40'  X (Mty)  639 Sand Creek, KS  Ex 1873 81823  27  (SF)RD  17668  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)  940 Lamar, CO  Ex 83023  57  (SF)RD  1983  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  56  (SF)RD  2251  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  11  (SF)RD  3636  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  51  (SF)RD  6619  R  RRO 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  59  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  45  (SF)RD  7106  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  52  (SF)RD  7328  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  30  (SF)RD  7622  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  9  (SF)RD  7932  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  54  (SF)RD  8498  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  58  (SF)RD  8530  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  14  (SF)RD  8537  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  46  (SF)RD  8712  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  40  (SF)RD  8777  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  12  (SF)RD  9547  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  28  (SF)RD  9690  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  18  (SF)RD  9717  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  30  (SF)RD  10227  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  11  (SF)RD  10742  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  17  (SF)RD  10873  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  55  (SF)RD  11430  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  31  (SF)RD  11981  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  36  (SF)RD  12065  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  15  (SF)RD  12433  R  RRU 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  27  (SF)RD  13178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  28  (SF)RD  13212  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  39  (SF)RD  13783  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  69  (SF)RD  13902  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  31  (SF)RD  13953  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  29  (SF)RD  14178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  25  (SF)RD  14351  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  29  (SF)RD  14481  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  10  (SF)RD  14704  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  3  (SF)RD  14866  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  42  (SF)RD  15468  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  53  (SF)RD  15524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  52  (SF)RD  15852  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  34  (SF)RD  16019  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  26  (SF)RD  16245  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  57  (SF)RD  16347  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  41  (SF)RD  16528  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  35  (SF)RD  16708  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  53  (SF)RD  17242  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  32  (SF)RD  17524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  33  (SF)RD  17554  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  32  (SF)RD  18979  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  23  (SF)RD  19064  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  24  (SF)RD  19065  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  24  ART  13169  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  22  ART  15238  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  25  ART  15693  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  20  ART  15991  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  10  ART  10481  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  25  ART  10749  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  6  ART  11104  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  61  ART  11126  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  44  ART  12073  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  76  ART  12217  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  3  ART  12637  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  19  ART  12640  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  73  ART  12796  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  4  ART  13998  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  49  ART  14038  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  62  ART  14107  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  50  ART  14291  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  5  ART  14482  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  24  ART  15311  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  55  ART  15761  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  47  ART  16605  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  17  ART  16785  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  4  ART  22153  R  40' 2100022999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  7  ART  24104  R  38' 2300024999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  43  ART  25247  R  36' 2500025399  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  56  ART  12129  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  54  C&S  50050  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1873 81423  62  C&S  50079  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  18  C&S  50143  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  37  C&S  50215  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  #78 12271922  59  IC  54971  R  42' 5400155000  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  60  IC  59232  R  42' 5900159994  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 9223  19  NRCX  3276  R  40' 30003499  X (Mty)  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  23  PFE  5204  R  40' 16600  X (Mty)  3647 McPherson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  25  SLRX  2744  R  St.Louis Refrig., Mfg. RR, 36' RB 220003598  X (Mty)  412 Henrietta, MO  Ex 1844 90323  56  SRL  7270  R  32' 700007699  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO 
J. Stephen Sandifer Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


Okay I guess from my experience in the Law Department we dealt with the
issue of load dividers and the potential for injury that those dividers created.
I should have checked the ORER before writing my comments.
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From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
Les Sittler wrote:
My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE.
Almost. The ORER says that RBL stands for "Refrigerator Bunkerless Loading
devices." (Not all loaders had dividers.)


What’s in that reefer? The following is from a conductor’s record on the Santa Fe between Dodge City and Newton Kansas, 1923 Train  Order  ID  Car#  Type  Car Detail  Contents  Final Destination  Ex 1861 82823  52  IC  59540  R  42' 5900159994  Bans  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1857 90123  28  (SF)RD  10748  R  RRS 40'  Caby  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  33  PFE  50752  R  40' R3013 5000152775  Caby  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1869 82023  49  PFE  10509  R  40' R306 1012213219  Caby  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  21  PFE  14055  R  40' R30111328015919  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  20  URT  82155  R  40' 8200082999  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  35  (SF)RD  6510  R  RRO 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  44  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  61  (SF)RD  7634  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  40  (SF)RD  8655  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  55  (SF)RD  8938  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  52  (SF)RD  9339  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  63  (SF)RD  9498  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  51  (SF)RD  11501  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  50  (SF)RD  11763  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  53  (SF)RD  13014  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  39  (SF)RD  13973  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  31  (SF)RD  17384  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  42  (SF)RD  17398  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  54  (SF)RD  17501  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  41  (SF)RD  19089  R  RRY 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  16  (SF)RD  17045  R  RRX 41'  Cants  191 Nemo, IL  Ex 1873 82923  57  (SF)RD  6563  R  RRO 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  37  (SF)RD  8359  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  35  (SF)RD  9152  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  66  (SF)RD  10430  R  RRS 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  32  (SF)RD  11665  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  36  (SF)RD  11696  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  65  (SF)RD  13012  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  58  (SF)RD  13166  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  56  (SF)RD  13627  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  67  (SF)RD  14097  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  62  (SF)RD  15768  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  33  (SF)RD  15932  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  38  (SF)RD  16941  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  34  (SF)RD  17729  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  64  (SF)RD  18983  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  49  (SF)RD  19194  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  30  (SF)RD  19195  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1869 82023  46  (SF)RD  12006  R  RRT 41'  Cants  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  59  (SF)RD  2355  R  RRN 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  43  (SF)RD  7532  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  48  (SF)RD  8837  R  RRR 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  60  (SF)RD  9780  R  RRS 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 81423  22  (SF)RD  6356  R  RRO 40'  Co. Mtl  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1857 90123  64  (SF)RD  14580  R  RRW 41'  Eggs  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 83023  59  (SF)RD  15135  R  RRW 41'  Gch 113a  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1861 82823  53  (SF)RD  11837  R  RRT 41'  Grapes  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  52  (SF)RD  8002  R  RRQ 41'  Lettuce  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  63  FW&D  20003  R  40' 2000120100  Lettuce  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  10  (SF)RD  17726  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  11  (SF)RD  18468  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1861 82823  35  (SF)RD  8831  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  19  (SF)RD  10047  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  4  (SF)RD  10760  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  33  (SF)RD  12859  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  41  (SF)RD  17974  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  29  (SF)RD  18241  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  5  (SF)RD  9279  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1353 Isleta, NM  #84 5171923  4  (SF)RD  4480  R  RRG 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #84 51923  3  (SF)RD  6503  R  RRO 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #83 51823  2  (SF)RD  8306  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  #83 5161923  2  (SF)RD  9441  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  2  (SF)RD  8251  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  40  (SF)RD  8845  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  30  (SF)RD  18242  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  26  (SF)RD  18251  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  39  (SF)RD  7580  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  Ex 1846 92923  31  (SF)RD  18244  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  66  (SF)RD  17267  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  637 Newton, KS  Ex 1873 81423  48  (SF)RD  1840  R  RRN 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  35  (SF)RD  6759  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  36  (SF)RD  7123  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  34  (SF)RD  9613  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  46  (SF)RD  10258  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  47  (SF)RD  10458  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  44  (SF)RD  10881  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  38  (SF)RD  11233  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  50  (SF)RD  12705  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  51  (SF)RD  12729  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  49  (SF)RD  13821  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  45  (SF)RD  14432  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  63  (SF)RD  7963  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  64  (SF)RD  8754  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 83023  18  (SF)RD  9048  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  8  (SF)RD  11109  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  6  (SF)RD  12814  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  57  (SF)RD  13142  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  57  (SF)RD  17254  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  3  (SF)RD  17436  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  65  (SF)RD  17942  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  7  (SF)RD  19246  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  18  (SF)RD  14586  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  993 La Junta, CO  Ex 1846 92923  15  ART  16288  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  #84 52223  2  ART  16730  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  Ex 1861 82823  3  RAOX  122  R  Roberts & Oake, 36' Reefer, no meat rails, NATX  Meat  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1857 90123  9  FGEX  27251  R  40' 2600029999  Onions  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  27  (SF)RD  7892  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  17  (SF)RD  8170  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  29  NP  95758  R  40' 9490095999  Pares (Pears)  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  30  ART  22120  R  40' 2100022999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  39  NP  96588  R  40' 9650097999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  62  RI  67189  R  CRI&P 40' 6600067499  Peaches  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  49  (SF)RD  19408  R  RRY 41'  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  2  MRLX  8402  R  36' 600011149  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1208 Las Vegas, NM  Ex 1857 90123  31  IC  54763  R  42' 5400155000  Prunes  564, Emporia, KS  Ex 1857 90123  43  NYC  156205  R  Leased to Merchants Despatch  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  45  PFE  8913  R  40' R305 710110121  Prunes  3138 Independence, KS  Ex 1857 90123  18  PFE  15046  R  40' R30111328015919  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  36  PFE  16922  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  46  PFE  696  R  40' 16600  Prunes  4470 Anthony, KS  Ex 1857 90123  44  PFE  26317  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  56  (SF)RD  9405  R  RRR 41'  Salt  16049 Miami, TX  Ex 1873 82923  69  ART  10621  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1873 82923  45  ART  15697  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1857 90123  23  ART  16706  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1712 Ponca City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  68  ART  11368  R  40' 1100012999  Spuds  1776 Guthrie, OK  Ex 1857 90123  47  ART  10881  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  47  ART  13010  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1844 90323  18  ART  15171  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  3551 Great Bend, KS  #78 12271922  64  ART  10769  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  70  ART  16914  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  564 Emporia, KS  Ex 1873 82923  46  ART  13466  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  6655 Enid, OK  Ex 1873 82923  72  ART  10629  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  754 Kinsley, KS  Ex 1869 82023  54  FGEX  25601  R  40' 2550025999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1857 90123  19  FGEX  23419  R  40' 2300024999  Spuds  8450 Ardmore, OK  Ex 1869 82023  55  IC  59578  R  42' 5900159994  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1869 82023  48  PFE  2857  R  40' 16600  Spuds  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1873 82923  71  PFE  16423  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2194 Wellington, KSK  Ex 1857 90123  25  PFE  19381  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  37  PFE  5155  R  40' 16600  Spuds  3225 Bartlesville, OK  Ex 1869 82023  56  PFE  1663  R  40' 16600  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  24  PFE  15443  R  40' R30111328015919  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  34  PFE  16788  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  38  PFE  907  R  40' 16600  Spuds  8218 Temple, TX  Ex 1857 90123  32  URT  82742  R  40' 8200082999  Spuds  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  50  (SF)RD  7559  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  22  (SF)RD  8091  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  26  (SF)RD  11757  R  RRT 41'  Vgts  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1869 82023  53  (SF)RD  16754  R  RRX 41'  Vgts  5131 Shawnee, OK  Ex 1869 82023  47  (SF)RD  9334  R  RRR 41'  Vgts  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  51  (SF)RD  9918  R  RRS 40'  Vgts  9571 Beaumont, TX  Ex 1873 82923  25  (SF)RD  4955  R  RRH 40'  X (Mty)  639 Sand Creek, KS  Ex 1873 81823  27  (SF)RD  17668  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)  940 Lamar, CO  Ex 83023  57  (SF)RD  1983  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  56  (SF)RD  2251  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  11  (SF)RD  3636  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  51  (SF)RD  6619  R  RRO 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  59  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  45  (SF)RD  7106  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  52  (SF)RD  7328  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  30  (SF)RD  7622  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  9  (SF)RD  7932  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  54  (SF)RD  8498  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  58  (SF)RD  8530  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  14  (SF)RD  8537  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  46  (SF)RD  8712  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  40  (SF)RD  8777  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  12  (SF)RD  9547  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  28  (SF)RD  9690  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  18  (SF)RD  9717  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  30  (SF)RD  10227  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  11  (SF)RD  10742  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  17  (SF)RD  10873  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  55  (SF)RD  11430  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  31  (SF)RD  11981  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  36  (SF)RD  12065  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  15  (SF)RD  12433  R  RRU 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  27  (SF)RD  13178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  28  (SF)RD  13212  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  39  (SF)RD  13783  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  69  (SF)RD  13902  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  31  (SF)RD  13953  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  29  (SF)RD  14178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  25  (SF)RD  14351  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  29  (SF)RD  14481  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  10  (SF)RD  14704  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  3  (SF)RD  14866  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  42  (SF)RD  15468  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  53  (SF)RD  15524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  52  (SF)RD  15852  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  34  (SF)RD  16019  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  26  (SF)RD  16245  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  57  (SF)RD  16347  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  41  (SF)RD  16528  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  35  (SF)RD  16708  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  53  (SF)RD  17242  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  32  (SF)RD  17524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  33  (SF)RD  17554  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  32  (SF)RD  18979  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  23  (SF)RD  19064  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  24  (SF)RD  19065  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  24  ART  13169  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  22  ART  15238  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  25  ART  15693  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  20  ART  15991  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  10  ART  10481  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  25  ART  10749  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  6  ART  11104  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  61  ART  11126  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  44  ART  12073  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  76  ART  12217  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  3  ART  12637  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  19  ART  12640  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  73  ART  12796  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  4  ART  13998  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  49  ART  14038  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  62  ART  14107  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  50  ART  14291  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  5  ART  14482  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  24  ART  15311  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  55  ART  15761  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  47  ART  16605  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  17  ART  16785  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  4  ART  22153  R  40' 2100022999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  7  ART  24104  R  38' 2300024999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  43  ART  25247  R  36' 2500025399  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  56  ART  12129  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  54  C&S  50050  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1873 81423  62  C&S  50079  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  18  C&S  50143  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  37  C&S  50215  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  #78 12271922  59  IC  54971  R  42' 5400155000  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  60  IC  59232  R  42' 5900159994  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 9223  19  NRCX  3276  R  40' 30003499  X (Mty)  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  23  PFE  5204  R  40' 16600  X (Mty)  3647 McPherson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  25  SLRX  2744  R  St.Louis Refrig., Mfg. RR, 36' RB 220003598  X (Mty)  412 Henrietta, MO  Ex 1844 90323  56  SRL  7270  R  32' 700007699  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO 
J. Stephen Sandifer
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 1:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


Les Sittler wrote:
My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE.
Almost. The ORER says that RBL stands for "Refrigerator Bunkerless Loading devices." (Not all loaders had dividers.)


My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE. Les Sittler
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From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
On
Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Have you ever spent time inside a closed freight car sitting
in bright sunlight for a week?
How 'bout a week at 20 deg. F?
Guaranteed to freeze the contents and burst the cans. There is a reason for
modern RBL's. Dennis Storzek


On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
And as you said, Tony, didn't our late resident linguist say 'foobie" was derived from "FUBAR?" That seems pretty authoritative to me.
Because FUBAR is an acronym... and it would have worked just as well as a noun. Stands to reason that since the F and U are important to the message being conveyed, that they would be retained in the new form; FUBEE, or FUBIE, with some descriptive words chosen so the result was still an acronym. Since such is not the case, I'm of the opinion that the origin is a contraction of "fake boobies", since fake is the demeaning idea Sir Richard wanted to convey. It doesn't make any difference if "foobie" never entered the general language; someone would only have to hear it once to latch on to it. Foobie certainly has the sound of the drivel TV writers have been pushing on use for the last sixty or so years. As Smokey Stover would say, "Where there's foo there's fire!" Dennis Storzek


Yep, Intermountain PS1 ends. I just pulled the exact same sprue out of an IM 40998 kit to confirm.
David Thompson

