Re: Need about 15 HO brake reservoirs for project
Found 7 from recent builds. Additional ones from years past are still packed away in the basement. Will put in the mail tomorrow. If you ever end up with extra KC brakes, let me know as I can always use those.   RJ Dial Mendocino, CA


Re: [NonDoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar
Tony,
I suspect that the lease was like the current automobile leases  that the lessee was responsible for keeping the vehicle in good repair with all its parts, and for returning the leased vehicle at the end of the lease in good condition (normal wear and tear excepted) with all its parts, or else the lessee would have to pay damages or replace the missing parts. If the railroad bought the car from the lessor, there would be no deduction for missing hardware, as the lessee was responsible for those items during the lease.
Ken Montero
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On 02/23/2021 3:05 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Elden Gatwood wrote:
Destroyed or disposed of dedicated equipment was especially costly, while shovelout and/or steamcleaning less so. Loss of things like crossbars and belts, were very expensive, since you had to go back to Evans, for example, for replacements.
But many of the GAE cars were leased to the railroads. Did not the lessor own that loader equipment?


Sorry – it looked much better on my screen than here.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse What’s in that reefer? The following is from a conductor’s record on the Santa Fe between Dodge City and Newton Kansas, 1923 Train  Order  ID  Car#  Type  Car Detail  Contents  Final Destination  Ex 1861 82823  52  IC  59540  R  42' 5900159994  Bans  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1857 90123  28  (SF)RD  10748  R  RRS 40'  Caby  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  33  PFE  50752  R  40' R3013 5000152775  Caby  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1869 82023  49  PFE  10509  R  40' R306 1012213219  Caby  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  21  PFE  14055  R  40' R30111328015919  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  20  URT  82155  R  40' 8200082999  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  35  (SF)RD  6510  R  RRO 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  44  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  61  (SF)RD  7634  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  40  (SF)RD  8655  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  55  (SF)RD  8938  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  52  (SF)RD  9339  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  63  (SF)RD  9498  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  51  (SF)RD  11501  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  50  (SF)RD  11763  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  53  (SF)RD  13014  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  39  (SF)RD  13973  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  31  (SF)RD  17384  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  42  (SF)RD  17398  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  54  (SF)RD  17501  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  41  (SF)RD  19089  R  RRY 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  16  (SF)RD  17045  R  RRX 41'  Cants  191 Nemo, IL  Ex 1873 82923  57  (SF)RD  6563  R  RRO 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  37  (SF)RD  8359  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  35  (SF)RD  9152  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  66  (SF)RD  10430  R  RRS 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  32  (SF)RD  11665  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  36  (SF)RD  11696  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  65  (SF)RD  13012  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  58  (SF)RD  13166  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  56  (SF)RD  13627  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  67  (SF)RD  14097  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  62  (SF)RD  15768  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  33  (SF)RD  15932  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  38  (SF)RD  16941  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  34  (SF)RD  17729  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  64  (SF)RD  18983  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  49  (SF)RD  19194  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  30  (SF)RD  19195  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1869 82023  46  (SF)RD  12006  R  RRT 41'  Cants  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  59  (SF)RD  2355  R  RRN 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  43  (SF)RD  7532  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  48  (SF)RD  8837  R  RRR 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  60  (SF)RD  9780  R  RRS 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 81423  22  (SF)RD  6356  R  RRO 40'  Co. Mtl  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1857 90123  64  (SF)RD  14580  R  RRW 41'  Eggs  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 83023  59  (SF)RD  15135  R  RRW 41'  Gch 113a  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1861 82823  53  (SF)RD  11837  R  RRT 41'  Grapes  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  52  (SF)RD  8002  R  RRQ 41'  Lettuce  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  63  FW&D  20003  R  40' 2000120100  Lettuce  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  10  (SF)RD  17726  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  11  (SF)RD  18468  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1861 82823  35  (SF)RD  8831  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  19  (SF)RD  10047  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  4  (SF)RD  10760  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  33  (SF)RD  12859  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  41  (SF)RD  17974  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  29  (SF)RD  18241  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  5  (SF)RD  9279  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1353 Isleta, NM  #84 5171923  4  (SF)RD  4480  R  RRG 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #84 51923  3  (SF)RD  6503  R  RRO 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #83 51823  2  (SF)RD  8306  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  #83 5161923  2  (SF)RD  9441  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  2  (SF)RD  8251  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  40  (SF)RD  8845  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  30  (SF)RD  18242  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  26  (SF)RD  18251  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  39  (SF)RD  7580  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  Ex 1846 92923  31  (SF)RD  18244  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  66  (SF)RD  17267  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  637 Newton, KS  Ex 1873 81423  48  (SF)RD  1840  R  RRN 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  35  (SF)RD  6759  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  36  (SF)RD  7123  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  34  (SF)RD  9613  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  46  (SF)RD  10258  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  47  (SF)RD  10458  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  44  (SF)RD  10881  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  38  (SF)RD  11233  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  50  (SF)RD  12705  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  51  (SF)RD  12729  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  49  (SF)RD  13821  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  45  (SF)RD  14432  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  63  (SF)RD  7963  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  64  (SF)RD  8754  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 83023  18  (SF)RD  9048  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  8  (SF)RD  11109  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  6  (SF)RD  12814  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  57  (SF)RD  13142  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  57  (SF)RD  17254  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  3  (SF)RD  17436  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  65  (SF)RD  17942  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  7  (SF)RD  19246  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  18  (SF)RD  14586  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  993 La Junta, CO  Ex 1846 92923  15  ART  16288  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  #84 52223  2  ART  16730  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  Ex 1861 82823  3  RAOX  122  R  Roberts & Oake, 36' Reefer, no meat rails, NATX  Meat  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1857 90123  9  FGEX  27251  R  40' 2600029999  Onions  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  27  (SF)RD  7892  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  17  (SF)RD  8170  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  29  NP  95758  R  40' 9490095999  Pares (Pears)  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  30  ART  22120  R  40' 2100022999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  39  NP  96588  R  40' 9650097999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  62  RI  67189  R  CRI&P 40' 6600067499  Peaches  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  49  (SF)RD  19408  R  RRY 41'  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  2  MRLX  8402  R  36' 600011149  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1208 Las Vegas, NM  Ex 1857 90123  31  IC  54763  R  42' 5400155000  Prunes  564, Emporia, KS  Ex 1857 90123  43  NYC  156205  R  Leased to Merchants Despatch  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  45  PFE  8913  R  40' R305 710110121  Prunes  3138 Independence, KS  Ex 1857 90123  18  PFE  15046  R  40' R30111328015919  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  36  PFE  16922  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  46  PFE  696  R  40' 16600  Prunes  4470 Anthony, KS  Ex 1857 90123  44  PFE  26317  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  56  (SF)RD  9405  R  RRR 41'  Salt  16049 Miami, TX  Ex 1873 82923  69  ART  10621  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1873 82923  45  ART  15697  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1857 90123  23  ART  16706  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1712 Ponca City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  68  ART  11368  R  40' 1100012999  Spuds  1776 Guthrie, OK  Ex 1857 90123  47  ART  10881  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  47  ART  13010  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1844 90323  18  ART  15171  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  3551 Great Bend, KS  #78 12271922  64  ART  10769  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  70  ART  16914  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  564 Emporia, KS  Ex 1873 82923  46  ART  13466  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  6655 Enid, OK  Ex 1873 82923  72  ART  10629  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  754 Kinsley, KS  Ex 1869 82023  54  FGEX  25601  R  40' 2550025999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1857 90123  19  FGEX  23419  R  40' 2300024999  Spuds  8450 Ardmore, OK  Ex 1869 82023  55  IC  59578  R  42' 5900159994  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1869 82023  48  PFE  2857  R  40' 16600  Spuds  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1873 82923  71  PFE  16423  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2194 Wellington, KSK  Ex 1857 90123  25  PFE  19381  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  37  PFE  5155  R  40' 16600  Spuds  3225 Bartlesville, OK  Ex 1869 82023  56  PFE  1663  R  40' 16600  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  24  PFE  15443  R  40' R30111328015919  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  34  PFE  16788  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  38  PFE  907  R  40' 16600  Spuds  8218 Temple, TX  Ex 1857 90123  32  URT  82742  R  40' 8200082999  Spuds  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  50  (SF)RD  7559  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  22  (SF)RD  8091  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  26  (SF)RD  11757  R  RRT 41'  Vgts  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1869 82023  53  (SF)RD  16754  R  RRX 41'  Vgts  5131 Shawnee, OK  Ex 1869 82023  47  (SF)RD  9334  R  RRR 41'  Vgts  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  51  (SF)RD  9918  R  RRS 40'  Vgts  9571 Beaumont, TX  Ex 1873 82923  25  (SF)RD  4955  R  RRH 40'  X (Mty)  639 Sand Creek, KS  Ex 1873 81823  27  (SF)RD  17668  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)  940 Lamar, CO  Ex 83023  57  (SF)RD  1983  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  56  (SF)RD  2251  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  11  (SF)RD  3636  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  51  (SF)RD  6619  R  RRO 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  59  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  45  (SF)RD  7106  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  52  (SF)RD  7328  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  30  (SF)RD  7622  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  9  (SF)RD  7932  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  54  (SF)RD  8498  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  58  (SF)RD  8530  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  14  (SF)RD  8537  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  46  (SF)RD  8712  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  40  (SF)RD  8777  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  12  (SF)RD  9547  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  28  (SF)RD  9690  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  18  (SF)RD  9717  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  30  (SF)RD  10227  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  11  (SF)RD  10742  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  17  (SF)RD  10873  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  55  (SF)RD  11430  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  31  (SF)RD  11981  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  36  (SF)RD  12065  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  15  (SF)RD  12433  R  RRU 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  27  (SF)RD  13178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  28  (SF)RD  13212  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  39  (SF)RD  13783  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  69  (SF)RD  13902  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  31  (SF)RD  13953  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  29  (SF)RD  14178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  25  (SF)RD  14351  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  29  (SF)RD  14481  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  10  (SF)RD  14704  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  3  (SF)RD  14866  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  42  (SF)RD  15468  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  53  (SF)RD  15524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  52  (SF)RD  15852  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  34  (SF)RD  16019  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  26  (SF)RD  16245  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  57  (SF)RD  16347  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  41  (SF)RD  16528  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  35  (SF)RD  16708  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  53  (SF)RD  17242  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  32  (SF)RD  17524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  33  (SF)RD  17554  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  32  (SF)RD  18979  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  23  (SF)RD  19064  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  24  (SF)RD  19065  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  24  ART  13169  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  22  ART  15238  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  25  ART  15693  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  20  ART  15991  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  10  ART  10481  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  25  ART  10749  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  6  ART  11104  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  61  ART  11126  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  44  ART  12073  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  76  ART  12217  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  3  ART  12637  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  19  ART  12640  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  73  ART  12796  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  4  ART  13998  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  49  ART  14038  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  62  ART  14107  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  50  ART  14291  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  5  ART  14482  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  24  ART  15311  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  55  ART  15761  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  47  ART  16605  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  17  ART  16785  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  4  ART  22153  R  40' 2100022999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  7  ART  24104  R  38' 2300024999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  43  ART  25247  R  36' 2500025399  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  56  ART  12129  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  54  C&S  50050  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1873 81423  62  C&S  50079  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  18  C&S  50143  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  37  C&S  50215  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  #78 12271922  59  IC  54971  R  42' 5400155000  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  60  IC  59232  R  42' 5900159994  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 9223  19  NRCX  3276  R  40' 30003499  X (Mty)  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  23  PFE  5204  R  40' 16600  X (Mty)  3647 McPherson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  25  SLRX  2744  R  St.Louis Refrig., Mfg. RR, 36' RB 220003598  X (Mty)  412 Henrietta, MO  Ex 1844 90323  56  SRL  7270  R  32' 700007699  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO 
J. Stephen Sandifer Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


Okay I guess from my experience in the Law Department we dealt with the
issue of load dividers and the potential for injury that those dividers created.
I should have checked the ORER before writing my comments.
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From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
Les Sittler wrote:
My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE.
Almost. The ORER says that RBL stands for "Refrigerator Bunkerless Loading
devices." (Not all loaders had dividers.)


What’s in that reefer? The following is from a conductor’s record on the Santa Fe between Dodge City and Newton Kansas, 1923 Train  Order  ID  Car#  Type  Car Detail  Contents  Final Destination  Ex 1861 82823  52  IC  59540  R  42' 5900159994  Bans  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1857 90123  28  (SF)RD  10748  R  RRS 40'  Caby  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  33  PFE  50752  R  40' R3013 5000152775  Caby  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1869 82023  49  PFE  10509  R  40' R306 1012213219  Caby  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  21  PFE  14055  R  40' R30111328015919  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  20  URT  82155  R  40' 8200082999  Caby  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  35  (SF)RD  6510  R  RRO 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  44  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  61  (SF)RD  7634  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  40  (SF)RD  8655  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  55  (SF)RD  8938  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  52  (SF)RD  9339  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  63  (SF)RD  9498  R  RRR 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  51  (SF)RD  11501  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  50  (SF)RD  11763  R  RRT 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  53  (SF)RD  13014  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  39  (SF)RD  13973  R  RRW 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  31  (SF)RD  17384  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  42  (SF)RD  17398  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  54  (SF)RD  17501  R  RRX 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1873 82923  41  (SF)RD  19089  R  RRY 41'  Cants  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  16  (SF)RD  17045  R  RRX 41'  Cants  191 Nemo, IL  Ex 1873 82923  57  (SF)RD  6563  R  RRO 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  37  (SF)RD  8359  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  35  (SF)RD  9152  R  RRR 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  66  (SF)RD  10430  R  RRS 40'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  32  (SF)RD  11665  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  36  (SF)RD  11696  R  RRT 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  65  (SF)RD  13012  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  58  (SF)RD  13166  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  56  (SF)RD  13627  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  67  (SF)RD  14097  R  RRW 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  62  (SF)RD  15768  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  33  (SF)RD  15932  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  38  (SF)RD  16941  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  34  (SF)RD  17729  R  RRX 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  64  (SF)RD  18983  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  49  (SF)RD  19194  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1873 82923  30  (SF)RD  19195  R  RRY 41'  Cants  37 Joliet, IL  Ex 1869 82023  46  (SF)RD  12006  R  RRT 41'  Cants  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  59  (SF)RD  2355  R  RRN 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  43  (SF)RD  7532  R  RRQ 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  48  (SF)RD  8837  R  RRR 41'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 82923  60  (SF)RD  9780  R  RRS 40'  Cants  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1873 81423  22  (SF)RD  6356  R  RRO 40'  Co. Mtl  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1857 90123  64  (SF)RD  14580  R  RRW 41'  Eggs  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 83023  59  (SF)RD  15135  R  RRW 41'  Gch 113a  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1861 82823  53  (SF)RD  11837  R  RRT 41'  Grapes  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  52  (SF)RD  8002  R  RRQ 41'  Lettuce  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  63  FW&D  20003  R  40' 2000120100  Lettuce  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  10  (SF)RD  17726  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  11  (SF)RD  18468  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1861 82823  35  (SF)RD  8831  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  19  (SF)RD  10047  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  4  (SF)RD  10760  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  33  (SF)RD  12859  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1861 82823  41  (SF)RD  17974  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1846 92923  29  (SF)RD  18241  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  1340 Albuquerque, NM  Ex 1873 81423  5  (SF)RD  9279  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  1353 Isleta, NM  #84 5171923  4  (SF)RD  4480  R  RRG 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #84 51923  3  (SF)RD  6503  R  RRO 40'  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  #83 51823  2  (SF)RD  8306  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  #83 5161923  2  (SF)RD  9441  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3820 Scott City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  2  (SF)RD  8251  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  40  (SF)RD  8845  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  30  (SF)RD  18242  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1846 92923  26  (SF)RD  18251  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  39  (SF)RD  7580  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  Ex 1846 92923  31  (SF)RD  18244  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  66  (SF)RD  17267  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  637 Newton, KS  Ex 1873 81423  48  (SF)RD  1840  R  RRN 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  35  (SF)RD  6759  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  36  (SF)RD  7123  R  RRP 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  34  (SF)RD  9613  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  46  (SF)RD  10258  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  47  (SF)RD  10458  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  44  (SF)RD  10881  R  RRS 40'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  38  (SF)RD  11233  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  50  (SF)RD  12705  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  51  (SF)RD  12729  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  49  (SF)RD  13821  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  45  (SF)RD  14432  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1873 81423  63  (SF)RD  7963  R  RRQ 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  64  (SF)RD  8754  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 83023  18  (SF)RD  9048  R  RRR 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  8  (SF)RD  11109  R  RRT 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  6  (SF)RD  12814  R  RRU 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  57  (SF)RD  13142  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  57  (SF)RD  17254  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  3  (SF)RD  17436  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1873 81423  65  (SF)RD  17942  R  RRX 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  7  (SF)RD  19246  R  RRY 41'  Mdse  790 Dodge City, KS  Ex 1846 92923  18  (SF)RD  14586  R  RRW 41'  Mdse  993 La Junta, CO  Ex 1846 92923  15  ART  16288  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  1074 Trinidad, CO  #84 52223  2  ART  16730  R  40' 1500016999  Mdse  3551 Great Bend, KS  Ex 1861 82823  3  RAOX  122  R  Roberts & Oake, 36' Reefer, no meat rails, NATX  Meat  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1857 90123  9  FGEX  27251  R  40' 2600029999  Onions  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1857 90123  27  (SF)RD  7892  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  0 Chicago, IL  Ex 1857 90123  17  (SF)RD  8170  R  RRQ 41'  Orgs  2571 Topeka, KS  Ex 1857 90123  29  NP  95758  R  40' 9490095999  Pares (Pears)  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  30  ART  22120  R  40' 2100022999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  39  NP  96588  R  40' 9650097999  Peaches  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  62  RI  67189  R  CRI&P 40' 6600067499  Peaches  670 Hutchinson, KS  Ex 1846 92923  49  (SF)RD  19408  R  RRY 41'  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1846 92923  2  MRLX  8402  R  36' 600011149  PHP (Pak Hse Prod)  1208 Las Vegas, NM  Ex 1857 90123  31  IC  54763  R  42' 5400155000  Prunes  564, Emporia, KS  Ex 1857 90123  43  NYC  156205  R  Leased to Merchants Despatch  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1857 90123  45  PFE  8913  R  40' R305 710110121  Prunes  3138 Independence, KS  Ex 1857 90123  18  PFE  15046  R  40' R30111328015919  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  36  PFE  16922  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  46  PFE  696  R  40' 16600  Prunes  4470 Anthony, KS  Ex 1857 90123  44  PFE  26317  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Prunes  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  56  (SF)RD  9405  R  RRR 41'  Salt  16049 Miami, TX  Ex 1873 82923  69  ART  10621  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1873 82923  45  ART  15697  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1687 Arkansas City, KS  Ex 1857 90123  23  ART  16706  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  1712 Ponca City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  68  ART  11368  R  40' 1100012999  Spuds  1776 Guthrie, OK  Ex 1857 90123  47  ART  10881  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1873 82923  47  ART  13010  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1844 90323  18  ART  15171  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  3551 Great Bend, KS  #78 12271922  64  ART  10769  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1873 82923  70  ART  16914  R  40' 1500016999  Spuds  564 Emporia, KS  Ex 1873 82923  46  ART  13466  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  Spuds  6655 Enid, OK  Ex 1873 82923  72  ART  10629  R  40' 1000010999  Spuds  754 Kinsley, KS  Ex 1869 82023  54  FGEX  25601  R  40' 2550025999  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1857 90123  19  FGEX  23419  R  40' 2300024999  Spuds  8450 Ardmore, OK  Ex 1869 82023  55  IC  59578  R  42' 5900159994  Spuds  1808 Oklahoma City, OK  Ex 1869 82023  48  PFE  2857  R  40' 16600  Spuds  2171 Winfield, KS  Ex 1873 82923  71  PFE  16423  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2194 Wellington, KSK  Ex 1857 90123  25  PFE  19381  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  37  PFE  5155  R  40' 16600  Spuds  3225 Bartlesville, OK  Ex 1869 82023  56  PFE  1663  R  40' 16600  Spuds  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  24  PFE  15443  R  40' R30111328015919  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  34  PFE  16788  R  40' R3012 1592031306  Spuds  8212 Heidenheimer, TX  Ex 1857 90123  38  PFE  907  R  40' 16600  Spuds  8218 Temple, TX  Ex 1857 90123  32  URT  82742  R  40' 8200082999  Spuds  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  50  (SF)RD  7559  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  2336 Woodward, OK  Ex 1857 90123  22  (SF)RD  8091  R  RRQ 41'  Vgts  4327 Wichita, KS  Ex 1857 90123  26  (SF)RD  11757  R  RRT 41'  Vgts  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 1869 82023  53  (SF)RD  16754  R  RRX 41'  Vgts  5131 Shawnee, OK  Ex 1869 82023  47  (SF)RD  9334  R  RRR 41'  Vgts  8899 Waco, TX  Ex 1869 82023  51  (SF)RD  9918  R  RRS 40'  Vgts  9571 Beaumont, TX  Ex 1873 82923  25  (SF)RD  4955  R  RRH 40'  X (Mty)  639 Sand Creek, KS  Ex 1873 81823  27  (SF)RD  17668  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)  940 Lamar, CO  Ex 83023  57  (SF)RD  1983  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  56  (SF)RD  2251  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  11  (SF)RD  3636  R  RRN 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  51  (SF)RD  6619  R  RRO 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  59  (SF)RD  6931  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  45  (SF)RD  7106  R  RRP 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  52  (SF)RD  7328  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  30  (SF)RD  7622  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  9  (SF)RD  7932  R  RRQ 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  54  (SF)RD  8498  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  58  (SF)RD  8530  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  14  (SF)RD  8537  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1846 92923  46  (SF)RD  8712  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  40  (SF)RD  8777  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  12  (SF)RD  9547  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  28  (SF)RD  9690  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  18  (SF)RD  9717  R  RRR 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  30  (SF)RD  10227  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  11  (SF)RD  10742  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  17  (SF)RD  10873  R  RRS 40'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  55  (SF)RD  11430  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  31  (SF)RD  11981  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  36  (SF)RD  12065  R  RRT 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  15  (SF)RD  12433  R  RRU 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  27  (SF)RD  13178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  28  (SF)RD  13212  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  39  (SF)RD  13783  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  69  (SF)RD  13902  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  31  (SF)RD  13953  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  29  (SF)RD  14178  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  25  (SF)RD  14351  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  29  (SF)RD  14481  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 9223  10  (SF)RD  14704  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  3  (SF)RD  14866  R  RRW 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  42  (SF)RD  15468  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  53  (SF)RD  15524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  52  (SF)RD  15852  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  34  (SF)RD  16019  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  26  (SF)RD  16245  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  57  (SF)RD  16347  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  41  (SF)RD  16528  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  35  (SF)RD  16708  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  53  (SF)RD  17242  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  32  (SF)RD  17524  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81823  33  (SF)RD  17554  R  RRX 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  32  (SF)RD  18979  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  23  (SF)RD  19064  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 1873 81423  24  (SF)RD  19065  R  RRY 41'  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  24  ART  13169  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  22  ART  15238  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  25  ART  15693  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 83023  20  ART  15991  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3764 Ness City, KS  Ex 1861 82823  10  ART  10481  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  25  ART  10749  R  40' 1000010999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  6  ART  11104  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  61  ART  11126  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  44  ART  12073  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  76  ART  12217  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  3  ART  12637  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  19  ART  12640  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  73  ART  12796  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  4  ART  13998  R  40' 1300013999 Beef rails  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  49  ART  14038  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  62  ART  14107  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  50  ART  14291  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  5  ART  14482  R  40' 1400014499  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1861 82823  24  ART  15311  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  55  ART  15761  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  47  ART  16605  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  17  ART  16785  R  40' 1500016999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 9223  4  ART  22153  R  40' 2100022999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  7  ART  24104  R  38' 2300024999  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  43  ART  25247  R  36' 2500025399  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 83023  56  ART  12129  R  40' 1100012999  X (Mty)   Ex 83023  54  C&S  50050  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  1074 Trinidad, CO  Ex 1873 81423  62  C&S  50079  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81423  18  C&S  50143  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  Ex 1873 81823  37  C&S  50215  R  40' RM 5005050249  X (Mty)  3964 Pueblo, CO  #78 12271922  59  IC  54971  R  42' 5400155000  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  #78 12271922  60  IC  59232  R  42' 5900159994  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO  Ex 9223  19  NRCX  3276  R  40' 30003499  X (Mty)  4081 Denver, CO Freight House  #78 12271922  23  PFE  5204  R  40' 16600  X (Mty)  3647 McPherson, KS  Ex 1869 82023  25  SLRX  2744  R  St.Louis Refrig., Mfg. RR, 36' RB 220003598  X (Mty)  412 Henrietta, MO  Ex 1844 90323  56  SRL  7270  R  32' 700007699  X (Mty)  458 Kansas City, MO 
J. Stephen Sandifer
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 1:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


Les Sittler wrote:
My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE.
Almost. The ORER says that RBL stands for "Refrigerator Bunkerless Loading devices." (Not all loaders had dividers.)


My understanding is that the car designation RB stands for “Refrigerator
Bunkerless” meaning a car without ice bunkers and that RBL stands for
“Refrigerator Bunkerless Load dividers” for the appliances within the car.
That’s my memory from working at FGE. Les Sittler
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From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
On
Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Have you ever spent time inside a closed freight car sitting
in bright sunlight for a week?
How 'bout a week at 20 deg. F?
Guaranteed to freeze the contents and burst the cans. There is a reason for
modern RBL's. Dennis Storzek


Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
And as you said, Tony, didn't our late resident linguist say 'foobie" was derived from "FUBAR?" That seems pretty authoritative to me.
Because FUBAR is an acronym... and it would have worked just as well as a noun. Stands to reason that since the F and U are important to the message being conveyed, that they would be retained in the new form; FUBEE, or FUBIE, with some descriptive words chosen so the result was still an acronym. Since such is not the case, I'm of the opinion that the origin is a contraction of "fake boobies", since fake is the demeaning idea Sir Richard wanted to convey. It doesn't make any difference if "foobie" never entered the general language; someone would only have to hear it once to latch on to it. Foobie certainly has the sound of the drivel TV writers have been pushing on use for the last sixty or so years. As Smokey Stover would say, "Where there's foo there's fire!" Dennis Storzek


Yep, Intermountain PS1 ends. I just pulled the exact same sprue out of an IM 40998 kit to confirm.
David Thompson


Re: [NonDoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse
Douglas Harding
Elden true, but the car in photo was built in 1960. Clark is looking a report from 1949. The MSTL, which served Hopkins, purchased their first insulated boxcars or RBLS, for canned good service in 1957, no doubt to serve the growing need for insulated cars. Before then, canned goods were often shipped in reefers, without ice, esp in extreme weather, cold or heat. In extreme cold, as we experienced the past week or two, heaters were even added to keep the canned goods from freezing. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [NonDoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse Clark; Generally, they had to make some reasonable accommodation in either too hot summer, or too cool winter, to accommodate canned goods. Reefers were perfect, but jealously guarded by their owners. There is loads of correspondence on spoiled canned goods claims. The attached is the nonreefer RR solution from the PRR: Insulated, and with “Quick Loaders”, as restored for the Strasburg RR. Elden Gatwood Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark DATE  INITIALS  NUMBER  LADING  8/1/1949  ARLX  423  MEAT  8/12/1949  SLRX  4854  MEAT  8/23/1949  SRLX  6336  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4996  MEAT  8/24/1949  SRLX  4608  MEAT  8/291949  SRLX  5735  MEAT 


Re: Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)
Jerry Michels asked: "...how did the volume increase on twin hopper increase over the normal plain side versions?"
Reported volume for the rebuilds varied depending on the vendor supplying the sides, but one example for the USRA twin:
Original Car: 1880 cu ft NYCS Lots 639H, 640H, 641H, 645H, 651H, 655H (1,877 cars): 1980 cu ft Increase in cubic capability: 100 cu ft, 5.3%
Ben Hom


And as you said, Tony, didn't our late resident linguist say 'foobie" was derived from "FUBAR?" That seems pretty authoritative to me.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Original Message
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
Looking in my 5 slang dictionaries i can't find foobie, it isn't in a dictionary of railway terms, or language of the underworld. Could it be derived from the US cartoon character Smokey Storer. who used the word "Foo" as a substitute word for anything where he couldn't be bothered to find the correct word. the manufacturers might be accused of; couldn't be bothered to find the correct prototype. the word Foo was used by the RAAF and Richard Hendricksen was a keen and knowledgeable aviator.
Why is there a resistance to FUBAR as the origin? One can readily describe a lame model with the words behind that acronym (whichever word starting with "F" you prefer). It has always seemed to me that "foobie" is a natural descendant.


Fenton Wells wrote: "Could they be the C&BT or Front Range PS1 boxcars ends, you['re] not old enough for 'years'."
C&BT did NOT have a PS1 in the line. The Front Range PS1 was the same as the McKean kit, which did NOT feature separate ends.
Ben Hom


O Fenton Wells
Could they be the C&BT or Front Range PS1 boxcars ends, your not old enough for "years" Just say'in 😙 Fenton
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Astute STMFC Modelers,
These box car ends have been in my parts box for years. Does anybody know the manufacturer?
Danke! John Golden


Re: Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001
Mike Dietrich asked: "At one time someone offered a short kit for bashing two Proto2000 cars. Anyone know if it’s still available?"
That was Stan Rydarowicz's kit before he passed away. It's not currently available.
Jim Teese's kitbash article in the January 1998 issue of Model Railroader featured "homebrewed" door castings.
Ben Hom


Looking in my 5 slang dictionaries i can't find foobie, it isn't in a dictionary of railway terms, or language of the underworld. Could it be derived from the US cartoon character Smokey Storer. who used the word "Foo" as a substitute word for anything where he couldn't be bothered to find the correct word. the manufacturers might be accused of; couldn't be bothered to find the correct prototype. the word Foo was used by the RAAF and Richard Hendricksen was a keen and knowledgeable aviator.
Why is there a resistance to FUBAR as the origin? One can readily describe a lame model with the words behind that acronym (whichever word starting with "F" you prefer). It has always seemed to me that "foobie" is a natural descendant.


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar
I got a good chuckle over “when it was convenient” comment. Thanks for the dose of reality, Tony.
Since we modelers don’t observe those instructions either, the stencils are purely cosmetic.
Nelson Moyer
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar
The loading prohibitions on the stencil under discussion are one of several stencils used by the CB&Q. Kit decals may or may not include these stencils, but they
can easily be fund in a decal set offered by Jerry Hamsmith. Jerry’s set includes ‘Return Empty to …’ and For … Loading Only’ stencils, plus several other special instructions.
I once asked a former car clerk, whether those kinds of carside restrictions or "return to" legends were observed. "Sure," he said, "when it was convenient."


Re: Moving General Steel Castings
Roger,
From what I was told just this morning, the MoT has not reopened yet.
gary roe quincy, illinois
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On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 03:31:58 PM CST, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:
A good place to look would be the GSC collection at Museum of Transportation Library in St Louis;They have a lot of photos, I believe I saw some of what you’re looking for while I was there a couple of years ago. I do not know if they have reopened yet.
GSC was located in Eddystone, PA, near the Baldwin Locomotive Works. GSC supplied the industry with one piece engine beds/frames with cylinders cast integrally, tender trucks, tender under frames and trailer trucks. Great Northern used their products in locomotive rebuilds and new construction as did other carriers. It appears that Lima used GSC castings and I assume that ALCO did as well. Has anyone seen pictures of these castings enroute to end users or being unloaded? Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock


Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Have you ever spent time inside a closed freight car sitting in bright sunlight for a week?
How 'bout a week at 20 deg. F? Guaranteed to freeze the contents and burst the cans. There is a reason for modern RBL's. Dennis Storzek


Looking in my 5 slang dictionaries i can't find foobie, it isn't in a dictionary of railway terms, or language of the underworld. Could it be derived from the US cartoon character Smokey Storer. who used the word "Foo" as a substitute word for anything where he couldn't be bothered to find the correct word. the manufacturers might be accused of; couldn't be bothered to find the correct prototype. the word Foo was used by the RAAF and Richard Hendricksen was a keen and knowledgeable aviator.
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"fubar" is an adjective.
"foobie" is a noun.
Sometimes you need a noun, and you make one up based on an existing, but appropriate, different part of speech.
Ed
Edward Sutorik

