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Soo Line 50' boxcar kit Resin Car Works

Richard Remiarz
 

I am in the process of building the Resin Car Works Soo Line 50’ boxcar kit.  Two different type of brake gear are provided, but I couldn’t find any information that shows which series of cars used which brake gear.  Does  anyone have this information?

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Yards and Terminals and Their Operation was Freight Terminals & Trains

Peter Ness
 

And to complete the Droege “trilogy”, Yards and Terminals and Their Operation is also available on google books;

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Yards_and_Terminals_and_Their_Operation/AGw5AAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Yards+and+terminals+and+their+operation&printsec=frontcover

 

Frankly, as a New Haven modeler these are “must have’s”. While Droege covers many different railroads across all three books, many of his diagrams and operational descriptions are based on the work he did while at the New Haven Railroad.

One problem I find with the google books is some of the fold-out diagrams are cropped.

 

Gotta catch ‘em all.

 

Peter Ness


Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

Rufus Cone
 

The later 1925 version is available free from google books
https://books.google.com/books/about/Freight_Terminals_and_Trains.html?id=9O5KAAAAMAAJ


Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

np328
 

  Thanks Bob for posting this link. 

Gems like this provide enjoyable reading and can be drawn upon again and again. 

Jerry Masters, a friend I have often researched with at the MNHS, who is also  a civil engineer and former railroad employee of the NP, later BN said that " a good mans idea on one railroad is a good idea on any mans railroad. An oak 12 x 12 timber has the same load characteristics on one railroad as it does on another. The same with a truss or a beam." 

Books like this are examples of people who felt the same way.           
                                                                                                                          again, thank you.                                                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

Eric Hansmann
 

The NMRA reprinted Freight Terminals & Trains several years ago. Copies are still available. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Feb 28, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:

I have a hardbound copy of Passenger Terminals and Trains. Am very glad to learn that there is a download available for Freight Terminals and Trains. 

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 28, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I searched on Passenger Terminals and Trains and found his other classic book for download.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Paasch
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Terminals & Trains
 
Thanks for pointing this scan out, Bob.  I noticed that the physical book they scanned was through the courtesy of funding by James J. Hill as mentioned on the first flyleaf.  Good old Jim Hill still educating us about railroading!
 
  Doug Paasch

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 11:38 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Freight Terminals & Trains
The 1912 book, Freight Terminals & Trains by John A. Droege, has a ton material applicable to the Steam Era.
Here is a link.
This material can be download as a PDF or as plain text.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

Bill Keene
 

I have a hardbound copy of Passenger Terminals and Trains. Am very glad to learn that there is a download available for Freight Terminals and Trains. 

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 28, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I searched on Passenger Terminals and Trains and found his other classic book for download.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Paasch
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Terminals & Trains
 
Thanks for pointing this scan out, Bob.  I noticed that the physical book they scanned was through the courtesy of funding by James J. Hill as mentioned on the first flyleaf.  Good old Jim Hill still educating us about railroading!
 
  Doug Paasch

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 11:38 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Freight Terminals & Trains
The 1912 book, Freight Terminals & Trains by John A. Droege, has a ton material applicable to the Steam Era.
Here is a link.
This material can be download as a PDF or as plain text.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Red Owl warehouse

np328
 

O'Connor, stated "- railroad traffic distances and routes often have nothing to do with the "shortest path" between two points."  
I do not think so. There is a cost to the railroad and every cost needs to be accounted for otherwise the railroad ultimately goes
- like the Rock Island example given, bankrupt.  So hey, good example.

Next - give a summation that  "Present day shipping is VERY different than it was in the STMFC era."   Present day does not exist here on the STMFC, it ends at the end of 1960. However you have heard that before.     (Moderators - time to repost the date frame for this list.) 
This list exists in the still much regulated era of ICC and AAR.

Extra cars can be a company use car or any other. And even if a car is used as filler for an under-tonnage manifest, there are still costs involved. In handling the car, switching the car, the extra fuel used. If management are doing their jobs properly, they already have a handle on costs and room for marginal freight is rare. Even more rare on the NP where the loaded freight moved predominantly eastbound.

And the comment - that's what lawyers are for, cutely sidesteps showing any factual documentation to support the opinions expressed.

I will say this again I have said it before: railroads are a business legally bound to their shareholders to maximize profits. 

                              You have gone after others before in this manner and I guess I am just the latest one.                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


   


Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

CapnMatter
 

Thanks for the advice, Garth. When I bought the cars I had seen they needed grab irons and brake detail. I hadn't noticed that the SP car had metal ends when I bought it, I had thought it was identical to the Stark Trees. I'm not against doing cutting work and making or buying new parts as needed. I'm largely looking for prototypes that I can perhaps choose as reference for rebuilding and repainting.


On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 3:02 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Cap,

As others have noted, these are Train Miniature cars. The Stark Trees boxcar with wooden ends might be convertible to a number of prototypes, especially if you shave off the grabs and don't count roof battens, except for that side sill that sticks out so alarmingly. Of course the door tracks and those huge Athearn-like claws are a serious flaw.

The 3/3/3 end on the SP car would be rarity. This one might be better if you cut the ends off and replaced them with Tichy or Westerfield pieces, depending on your possible prototype.

In general TM boxcars might have some historic value, but they really don't stand up to modern scrutiny. I had a mess of TM boxcars from when they were pretty much the only game in town, and all were sold off long ago except one I reworked with added separate details and custom lettering. Their all-wood refrigerator cars might have more applications for kit-bashing as reefers or boxcars (they lack that annoying sill), especially for a fictional private roadname. I have a couple of reefers that were on their way to becoming early boxcars for my Virginia Midland, but they're still sitting on my workbench. Someday maybe.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:25 PM CapnMatter <capnmatter@...> wrote:
I bought these cars for cheap at a trainshow the other day, I knew when I bought them they'd need work. I'm sure there's cars that line up with these, I just don't know of what. Anyone know?

Dimensions-
141.2mm long, or in HO 40ft
33.3mm wide, or 9ft 6in
35.9mm tall, or about 10ft tall

Attachments:


Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

Nelson Moyer
 

I searched on Passenger Terminals and Trains and found his other classic book for download.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Paasch
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Terminals & Trains

 

Thanks for pointing this scan out, Bob.  I noticed that the physical book they scanned was through the courtesy of funding by James J. Hill as mentioned on the first flyleaf.  Good old Jim Hill still educating us about railroading!

 

  Doug Paasch

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 11:38 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Freight Terminals & Trains

The 1912 book, Freight Terminals & Trains by John A. Droege, has a ton material applicable to the Steam Era.

Here is a link.

Freight Terminals and Trains: Including a Revision of Yards and Terminals - John Albert Droege - Google Books

This material can be download as a PDF or as plain text.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Freight Terminals & Trains

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks for pointing this scan out, Bob.  I noticed that the physical book they scanned was through the courtesy of funding by James J. Hill as mentioned on the first flyleaf.  Good old Jim Hill still educating us about railroading!

  Doug Paasch


On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 11:38 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Freight Terminals & Trains

The 1912 book, Freight Terminals & Trains by John A. Droege, has a ton material applicable to the Steam Era.

Here is a link.

Freight Terminals and Trains: Including a Revision of Yards and Terminals - John Albert Droege - Google Books

This material can be download as a PDF or as plain text.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Cap,

As others have noted, these are Train Miniature cars. The Stark Trees boxcar with wooden ends might be convertible to a number of prototypes, especially if you shave off the grabs and don't count roof battens, except for that side sill that sticks out so alarmingly. Of course the door tracks and those huge Athearn-like claws are a serious flaw.

The 3/3/3 end on the SP car would be rarity. This one might be better if you cut the ends off and replaced them with Tichy or Westerfield pieces, depending on your possible prototype.

In general TM boxcars might have some historic value, but they really don't stand up to modern scrutiny. I had a mess of TM boxcars from when they were pretty much the only game in town, and all were sold off long ago except one I reworked with added separate details and custom lettering. Their all-wood refrigerator cars might have more applications for kit-bashing as reefers or boxcars (they lack that annoying sill), especially for a fictional private roadname. I have a couple of reefers that were on their way to becoming early boxcars for my Virginia Midland, but they're still sitting on my workbench. Someday maybe.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:25 PM CapnMatter <capnmatter@...> wrote:
I bought these cars for cheap at a trainshow the other day, I knew when I bought them they'd need work. I'm sure there's cars that line up with these, I just don't know of what. Anyone know?

Dimensions-
141.2mm long, or in HO 40ft
33.3mm wide, or 9ft 6in
35.9mm tall, or about 10ft tall

Attachments:


Re: Shell reporting mark ?ZWX

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Based on that, I don't think the reporting mark is ?ZWX. I think it is SCMX. Back to front, I think we all agree that the last letter is "X." Rather than a "W" I think the next to last letter is an "M." It's easy to mix up a "W" with an "M" in a blurry photo given the similar strokes in the letters in this "font." The next letter to the left looks like a "Z" but it has that problem of reaching above the other letters and being quite degraded in the image. I don't think one can make a call on this letter based just on its image in this photo. Given that this appears to be a Shell Chemical Co. car, and that company has SCMX reporting marks, I'm going to say it must be a "C." And the first letter is obscured, but again given Shell Chemical Co., I will say it's an "S."

     I would agree with all of this. In my 1953 ORER, there is only one reporting mark listed for Shell Chemical (SCMX), so it's hard to see a likelihood of any others. And I can't resist pointing out that there WAS a registered user of ZMX, the Zummo Meat Co. of Beaumont, Texas. But I don't think this tank car is a Zummo car.

Tony Thompson




Re: Red Owl warehouse

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 07:20 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

I’m taking a minute to glance at the sugar car seals. I’ll write down any initials in the seal numbers as I find them.

 

NP, Holly, ASR? ...

Holly is likely Holly Sugar, of Holly Colo., a beet sugar producer.  ASR suggests American Sugar Refining, an East coast producer of cane sugar with plants in New York, Boston, Baltimore and Louisiana.

A supermarket grocery warehouse would receive sugar from multiple locations, because the stores will carry multiple brands, and both cane and beet sugar. Beet sugar would tend to have a price advantage, while many cooks prefer cane sugar  for baking.

Jack Mullen


Re: Shell reporting mark ?ZWX

Richard Townsend
 

I'm going to take a stab at this. Here's a few things I noticed:
1. the reporting mark is unclear at best
2. The reporting mark is light struck
3. The top stroke of the "Z," if that is what it is, us higher than the tops of the other letters
4. The car appears to be lettered for the Shell Chemical Co.

Based on that, I don't think the reporting mark is ?ZWX. I think it is SCMX. Back to front, I think we all agree that the last letter is "X." Rather than a "W" I think the next to last letter is an "M." It's easy to mix up a "W" with an "M" in a blurry photo given the similar strokes in the letters in this "font." The next letter to the left looks like a "Z" but it has that problem of reaching above the other letters and being quite degraded in the image. I don't think one can make a call on this letter based just on its image in this photo. Given that this appears to be a Shell Chemical Co. car, and that company has SCMX reporting marks, I'm going to say it must be a "C." And the first letter is obscured, but again given Shell Chemical Co., I will say it's an "S."

Or I could be totally wrong.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry <northbaylines@...>
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Feb 28, 2021 11:46 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Shell reporting mark ?ZWX

Scanning some photos by Raymond V. Pelot of Martinez today, I noticed a pair of Shell tank cars in the foreground.  SCCX 1114 was a 7960 gal TMI with heater coils and a 345 gal dome.  The silver Shell car next to it is a mystery with a _ZWX reporting mark.  Perusal of the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs and the 43 ORER don't provide an obvious answer.  Any ideas on the full mark?

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





Re: Shortening Kadee Running Board

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks much. I have heard of Molco, but never used any of their products. Sounds like it's time to visit their website.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 8:01 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth if you have not seen the MOLOCO 50 foot Morton running boards, you should
take a look at them. They have the correct rolled bottom flange found on none of the other
etched or plastic Morton running boards I've seen. (I admit I have not seen the Kadees.)
Plano simulated the flange on some of their covered hopper running boards - you glue the
flange precisely to the bottom of the edges of the rb.

Tim O'


On 2/27/2021 6:21 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tony and Bruce,

I would love to go the other way and lengthen a Kadee 40' Morton running board to 50'. Most Western Pacific/Sacramento Northern/Tidewater Southern 50' PS-1s had Morton running boards, and I have a mess of these I would like to be more accurate.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Shell reporting mark ?ZWX

John Barry
 

Scanning some photos by Raymond V. Pelot of Martinez today, I noticed a pair of Shell tank cars in the foreground.  SCCX 1114 was a 7960 gal TMI with heater coils and a 345 gal dome.  The silver Shell car next to it is a mystery with a _ZWX reporting mark.  Perusal of the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs and the 43 ORER don't provide an obvious answer.  Any ideas on the full mark?

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan  wrote:

They look like Train Miniature double wood sheathed steel end 40ft boxcars that have no particular prototype, AFAIK.

Definitely Train Miniature. That whole line was supposed to represent various 1920s cars, but they made MANY compromises so they could use one underframe and interchange the molds for ends, sides and roofs. A  number of the permutations that they did produce had no prototype. But the basic cars were SUPPOSED to have prototypes.

Tony Thompson




Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

CapnMatter
 

That's what I was thinking company wise, and I figured they were freelance designs. I would like to kitbash them to 'proper' prototype cars, if we can find cars that match up to the dimensions (or if I have to cut it down, length wise.)

I just realized I did forget to measure the door. I'll get that as soon as possible, as I'm out of the house when writing this. Any other measurements that I should take when I can?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 12:43 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
They look like Train Miniature double wood sheathed steel end 40ft boxcars that have no particular prototype, AFAIK.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

Todd Sullivan
 

They look like Train Miniature double wood sheathed steel end 40ft boxcars that have no particular prototype, AFAIK.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Mystery boxcars - anyone know what these are based off or of any similar cars?

Jim Gates
 


The white one appears to be a Train Miniature stock no 8073, part of the car spotter's series. Later released as stock no 2264. I believe the prototype actually had the doors down at the end of the side.

Jim Gates

On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 12:25:11 PM CST, CapnMatter <capnmatter@...> wrote:


I bought these cars for cheap at a trainshow the other day, I knew when I bought them they'd need work. I'm sure there's cars that line up with these, I just don't know of what. Anyone know?

Dimensions-
141.2mm long, or in HO 40ft
33.3mm wide, or 9ft 6in
35.9mm tall, or about 10ft tall

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