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how they harvested ice for all those reefers!

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It's really quite fascinating.  A lake frozen hard enough that multiple cars were driven out on it. but it's the harvesting that is interesting.

 

How they did that.

 

Schuyler

 

 

> Erie subsidiary Wilkes-Barre and Eastern harvesting ice in the Poconos.

> Note the Erie box cars.

>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcjByytYiqw

 


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Peter Ness
 

I bought three NH cars when they were released, painted the doors for my era and renumbered two of them…still have to find correct door stencils to apply and clear coat.

Scroll down this page https://sites.google.com/view/newhavenrailroad1959/new-haven-freight-cars

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

 

Elden Gatwood asked:

"Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?


Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Hello STMFC,

 

That’s a pretty good list that Ben Hom gave us.

 

6 ft - ATSF, CGW, CIL, CMO, CNW, COPR, CP, DSS&A, KCS, LS&BC, MKT, NYC, P&WV, SOU, UP

 

7 ft - B&M, LV, MEC, NH

 

8 ft - SAL, SL-SF, SOU

 

Yes, they do meet our standards and we’ve produced a few of these cars already, mostly sold out though. We may or may not do the 8 ft door cars. There are a number of paint schemes and roads we can now do that we could not do before because the cars were pre 1950 cars. The pre-1950 cars have quite a number of transitioning details that are quite different than the cars built after 1950. See Ed Hawkins info as he has helped us way beyond just a thank you.

 

We’re planning a few more this coming year, no I can’t tell you what roads or when. 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Ed Hawkins
 



On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?
 
Which RRs would be represented by this model?
 
I assume they’re up to Kadee’s usual standard of accuracy.
 
What do you think?

Eldon,
I have received several of Kadee’s new models, and your assumption is correct.

Kadee models representing PS-1 box cars built in 1947 & 1948 are found at www.kadee.com. In addition to the good info that Ben provided before my reply was completed, I offer the following.

Catalogue numbers of Kadee models released to date (all are sold out at Kadee):

4322 ATSF 276749
4323 NH 33870
4324 Southern 262053
4326 UP 100675
4328 ATSF 276604
4329 NYC 167299

The above models released to date have either 6’ or 7’ door openings. Kadee’s “early” PS-1 box car models have retooled ends, roof (2 versions), side sill connections with crosswise underframe components, doors (all Superior 7-panel), some additional rivets not found on post-1950 PS-1s, and new end details that also include some hand brakes not previously offered.

The two roof versions are the original (but short-lived) PS-1 welded roof and alternate PS-1 roof. The alternate roof is like the post-1950 roof except lacking crosswise pressed corrugations on the two roof sheets adjacent to the ends.

Railroads matching the existing Kadee PS-1 bodies with 10-panel welded sides include the following.

LV, BM, CGW, KCS, MEC, NYC (original PS-1 welded roof)

ATSF, COPR, CMO, CNW, DSS&A, NH, P&WV, Southern, UP (alternate early-version riveted PS-1 roof)

Railroads owning PS-1s built in 1947-1948 with similar features but with 8’ door openings are SA, Seaboard, SL-SF, and Southern. Time will tell if Kadee will release models of these cars.

Incidentally, the link Ben provided for my PS-1 roster dates back to about 20 years ago and has since been extensively updated. I’ll work with Rob to provide the updated roster to the STMFC web site. 

Hope this answers your questions.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins








Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Ben!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

 

Elden Gatwood asked:

"Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?

 

Not yet, though hopefully Sam Clarke will chime in with more information soon.

 

 

"Which RRs would be represented by this model?"

Depending on door widths, roads with PS-1s built before 1950 with 10-panel welded sides are:

 

6 ft - ATSF, CGW, CIL, CMO, CNW, COPR, CP, DSS&A, KCS, LS&BC, MKT, NYC, P&WV, SOU, UP

 

7 ft - B&M, LV, MEC, NH

 

8 ft - SAL, SL-SF, SOU

 

More information on Ed Hawkins' PS-1 spreadsheet here:

 

Link to the Kadee flyer:

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Boxcars In 1902

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The FITCHBURG and INTERCOLONIAL cars are rate animals!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcars In 1902

 

Another Boxcar String, Same Collection And Year

Courtesy of Robert England, a photo from Digital Commonwealth:

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:vt150m24m

Click on the photo and scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxcars In 1902

Bob Chaparro
 

Another Boxcar String, Same Collection And Year

Courtesy of Robert England, a photo from Digital Commonwealth:

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:vt150m24m

Click on the photo and scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood asked:
"Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?

Not yet, though hopefully Sam Clarke will chime in with more information soon.


"Which RRs would be represented by this model?"
Depending on door widths, roads with PS-1s built before 1950 with 10-panel welded sides are:

6 ft - ATSF, CGW, CIL, CMO, CNW, COPR, CP, DSS&A, KCS, LS&BC, MKT, NYC, P&WV, SOU, UP

7 ft - B&M, LV, MEC, NH

8 ft - SAL, SL-SF, SOU

More information on Ed Hawkins' PS-1 spreadsheet here:

Link to the Kadee flyer:

 
Ben Hom


Kadee early PS-1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?

 

Which RRs would be represented by this model?

 

I assume they’re up to Kadee’s usual standard of accuracy.

 

What do you think?

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

That’s another fine looking build 
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 2 Mar 2021, at 02:19, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



I have completed the build of a Sunshine Models resin kit of Northern Pacific (NP) double-sheathed Box  Car 12833.  If you are interested in the build of this resin  kit of NP double-sheathed Box Car including changes and addition of parts not in the kit as unusual sill steps or modified Minor Ideal lever-style hand brake.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/


Lester Breuer


Re: view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads

Tim O'Connor
 


Schuyler I bought a second hand copy of Photoshop 10.0 on Ebay for $10. I've been using it for a
couple of years and it works just fine. :-)


On 3/1/2021 10:01 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

Yeah, Claus, some of us might, like me.  Interesting photo that probably would benefit from Photoshop, which I don’t currently have.

 

I model the ERIE, you understand.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 7:04 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads

 

Hi List Members,

 

Maybe some of us might be interested in this nice 1927 view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads coming from GE...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

Robert Allan
 

I enjoy your build narrative. The step by step is very well done. Model turned out very well.

Bob Allan


Re: Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Lester, your production, both quantity and quality, is amazing.

 

Beautiful model.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 9:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

 

I have completed the build of a Sunshine Models resin kit of Northern Pacific (NP) double-sheathed Box  Car 12833.  If you are interested in the build of this resin  kit of NP double-sheathed Box Car including changes and addition of parts not in the kit as unusual sill steps or modified Minor Ideal lever-style hand brake.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer


Re: view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yeah, Claus, some of us might, like me.  Interesting photo that probably would benefit from Photoshop, which I don’t currently have.

 

I model the ERIE, you understand.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 7:04 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads

 

Hi List Members,

 

Maybe some of us might be interested in this nice 1927 view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads coming from GE...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

Scott
 

Really nice model Lester.  I enjoy reading your build posts.  The Miner Ideal brake machine isn't something we see every day.  Judging by the size I am guessing it provided additional mechanical leverage?

Thanks for sharing your building 
Scott McDonald 


Northern Pacific Box Car 12833

Lester Breuer
 

I have completed the build of a Sunshine Models resin kit of Northern Pacific (NP) double-sheathed Box  Car 12833.  If you are interested in the build of this resin  kit of NP double-sheathed Box Car including changes and addition of parts not in the kit as unusual sill steps or modified Minor Ideal lever-style hand brake.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/


Lester Breuer


view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Maybe some of us might be interested in this nice 1927 view of heavy duty flat ERIE 7206 with transformer loads coming from GE...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Red Owl warehouse

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 10:49 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
      My experience with West Coast lumber waybills, is that they often were routed somewhere, say Los Angeles from the Northwest, in care of the agent for diversion. A local lumber broker would make the sale and notify the agent where to send the load, or it might be routed onward to somewhere like St. Louis, to be held again in hopes of a better price. Some perishables moved that way too.
It was my understanding (Dan can correct me if I'm wrong) that a waybill wasn't complete unless it had a destination. Typical practice was for the broker to consign the load to himself at the most distant point where he knew he could still sell it, and then he worked to sell it while it was en-route and he would re-consign it when he did. However, if the broker should die before that happened, the railroad still needed a destination for the load.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Red Owl warehouse

Tony Thompson
 

So you can update your blog, junction point between CB&Q and MILW was East Moline, IL., shown in pencil on the waybill.  Route shown on waybill was common for "diversion", also called "roller", lumber.  Typical of these types of shipments was routing via obscure junction points to further delay the shipment while a broker found a buyer.

Thanks, Dan, I hadn't picked up on the "East Moline." But the original waybill shows the final destination that was in fact used. I suppose it was the "fallback," and if a better price had been found, it would have changed.
      My experience with West Coast lumber waybills, is that they often were routed somewhere, say Los Angeles from the Northwest, in care of the agent for diversion. A local lumber broker would make the sale and notify the agent where to send the load, or it might be routed onward to somewhere like St. Louis, to be held again in hopes of a better price. Some perishables moved that way too.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Boxcars In 1902

Eric Hansmann
 

That’s a nice string of boxcars. Check out all of the chalk marks!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcars In 1902

 

Photo: Boxcars In 1902

A photo from Digital Commonwealth courtesy of Robert England:

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:vt150m265

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Title:

Wachusett Reservoir, relocation of Worcester, Nashua & Portland Division of Boston & Maine Railroad, slope paving north of Oakdale depot, Oakdale, West Boylston, Mass., Nov. 22, 1902

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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